5 Dimes takes back $32K in casino winnings

[bettilimbroke999]

Why did you stop at just 32K when you knew you could of run it up to a $1,000,000 or more easily?

Agreed, 50 into 32k in 2 hours, I mean **** he could've broken the site in another hour

[yokspot]

I have a complaint, 5Dimes broke into my house and stole all my belongings, any chance SBR will rule against 5Dimes?

Maybe give them a chance to rule BEFORE assuming the worst..?

[LVHerbie]

Sounds like there was a second player who hit the game hard as well... Could be for a much larger amount depending on how much play that player got in... If only the paytable was bad, and SBR makes the proper ruling, sounds like it might be an expensive day for 5dimes due to their managerial retardation...

[bettilimbroke999]

Your door was unlocked. They were Justified. Case Closed.

Harsh but fair, it did say on page 196 of their rules that if Tony feels like it he can confiscate your account and all your belongings so I cant really argue

[Dark Horse]

TB, I don't think you'll get the full 32K. Tony was open to a number, though. I would have thrown out '5 Dimes', and kept it light. Basically Tony would be paying you for beta testing; which his casino is obviously in need of. The game did have a ridiculous advantage, so your funds were never at risk, in Dozer speak. 32K in a couple of hours is too much. You didn't win it. You exploited a mistake. There is a difference.

[jesuseatsnubs]

TB, I don't think you'll get the full 32K. Tony was open to a number, though. I would have thrown out '5 Dimes', and kept it light. Basically Tony would be paying you for beta testing; which his casino is obviously in need of. The game did have a ridiculous advantage, so your funds were never at risk, in Dozer speak. 32K in a couple of hours is too much. You didn't win it. You exploited a mistake. There is a difference.

LOL

[Tackleberry]

TB, I don't think you'll get the full 32K. Tony was open to a number, though. I would have thrown out '5 Dimes', and kept it light. Basically Tony would be paying you for beta testing; which his casino is obviously in need of. The game did have a ridiculous advantage, so your funds were never at risk, in Dozer speak. 32K in a couple of hours is too much. You didn't win it. You exploited a mistake. There is a difference.

I don't disagree with you and I am not an unreasonable man.

[bettilimbroke999]

Maybe give them a chance to rule BEFORE assuming the worst..?

If this guy had gone another hour he would own the site do you really think SBR is gonna rule in his favor and turn 5Dimes over to this guy? They will rule in 5Dimes favor but the bigger issue is what the **** is 5Dimes doing lately in their casino, is it just a complete software breakdown I mean 50 into 32k in 2 hours, what does a blackjack pay over there like 20 to 1

[wtt0315]

i think their cs reps just have a transfer button to tony on their live chat. It seems thats all they do

[Tackleberry]

But being reasonable doesn't mean I will be bullied by an unreasonable person

[jgilmartin]

It means that the sportsbook is A+, but the casino is D. That's why they should be separate. Only reason not to keep them separate is if player funds in sportsbook are at risk because of casino bloopers. This is also why I've argued to actually USE the casino forum, for topics such as these, and move it up into a main forum slot. This is going to be the new battlefield. The sportsbooks are more or less sorted out, but the casinos are still very much a crapshoot.

The casino is still part of the business, though, operating under the same brand name. If they are willing to rip people off there, it says something about the company as a whole. Running a great sports betting exchange doesn't give Betfair carte blanche to steal from casino players. Oh wait...

[bettilimbroke999]

But being reasonable doesn't mean I will be bullied by an unreasonable person

You shouldve won a million then agreed to "settle" for 100k

Plus it woulda made an incredible thread "5Dimes stole a million from me"

[trixtrix]

the cs person works w/ knee pads directly between tony's legs, she passes on the transfer to tony and goes back to the slurping...

[wrongturn]

Even SBR rules in favor of player, it won't be full amount. That is my guess.

[iceminers26]

here we go again, player wins in casino and book doesn't pay up, SBR comes in and rules in the book's favor ... I don't give a flying **** if there was an error (that's on the book not the player), players lose thousands on a daily basis in those rigged, online casinos and do we ever hear of them getting their money back, NO. Do the right thing SBR and make the correct ruling, quit hiding behind advertising dollars.

[Dark Horse]

The casino is still part of the business, though, operating under the same brand name. If they are willing to rip people off there, it says something about the company as a whole. Running a great sports betting exchange doesn't give Betfair carte blanche to steal from casino players. Oh wait...

Yes, there is an image problem. And this coming on the heels of another casino issue at 5D creates an added perception problem. But, other than that the casino is a mess, it is a separate case.

The player basically found somebody's wallet. When you find a mistake like that at an online casino, it may be fun to exploit it. But it has nothing to do with gambling. So in a sense both parties are in the wrong. When I lose my wallet I really appreciate if someone returns it. So do most people I know of.

I'm not excusing 5D, because they shouldn't put these games on the floor. If you do that in Vegas people walk out with their winnings, period.

Tony should pay the player some sort of generous finder's reward.

[JoeVig]

Couldn't be worse timing for 5Dimes. Pay the man $32k and save what's left of your reputation.

Oh, and get a little bit sharper statistician on your pay tables.

[Tackleberry]

Yes, there is an image problem. And this coming on the heels of another casino issue at 5D creates an added perception problem. But, other than that the casino is a mess, it is a separate case. The player basically found somebody's wallet. When you find a mistake like that at an online casino, it may be fun to exploit it. But it has nothing to do with gambling. So in a sense both parties are in the wrong. When I lose my wallet I really appreciate if someone returns it. So do most people I know of. I'm not excusing 5D, because they shouldn't put these games on the floor. If you do that in Vegas people walk out with their winnings, period. Tony should pay the player some sort of generous finder's reward.

I don't see where I am in the wrong. The game was offered, the software functioned as it was supposed to, I played by their rules.

[wrongturn]

Yes, there is an image problem. And this coming on the heels of another casino issue at 5D creates an added perception problem. But, other than that the casino is a mess, it is a separate case.

The player basically found somebody's wallet. When you find a mistake like that at an online casino, it may be fun to exploit it. But it has nothing to do with gambling. So in a sense both parties are in the wrong. When I lose my wallet I really appreciate if someone returns it. So do most people I know of.

I'm not excusing 5D, because they shouldn't put these games on the floor. If you do that in Vegas people walk out with their winnings, period.

Tony should pay the player some sort of generous finder's reward.

Here we go again. If a player secretly uses an electronic device to count card in black jack, does the player walk out with winning once discovered? I think so.

[runner5k]

Wow ok I will never ever deposit at 5 Dimes after that chat log and all this 5 Dimes drama! Their positive element is that they have all these new and unique things to wager on however it seems like almost all of these have bad lines/paytables that at some point they will just confiscate your winnings and claim you were taking a shot

[Kaabee]

here's the thing. they didn't complain about the payout chart in the zabula case. just that he used a bot. so, the absolute minimum you should receive is if the EV was 112.5%. so (112.5/390)*32000=$9231. should be more, but anything less is hypocritical.

[the sink]

is this different then betting +100points when the line should be +10?

[ForgetWallStreet]

is this different then betting +100points when the line should be +10?

This situation is covered loosely, at the very least, in the TOCS of every book I've ever played at. I doubt there is anything in 5 Dimes casino TOCs about broken payout charts though.

[fury]

Interested to see the SBR ruling on this one...

[Tackleberry]

Well gentlemen I am off to bed. If anything happens before I start work I will post an update in the morning. Once at work I don't have access to the internet except on my phone so I won't be able to post any updates until I get home in the evening. I believe I gave SBR my cell number when I filled out the complaint form. If anything comes up where they need to reach me they can.

[YorkHunt]

Is this for real???

[wrongturn]

All books/casinos have a catch-all rule like: if there is error, we reserve the right to do any thing appropriate.

[doylfish]

5dimes...more like 5slimes

[Tackleberry]

Is this for real???

The screenshot I posted along with the chat with Tony should answer that question.

[YorkHunt]

How is it even legal for 5dimes to be run without proper licensing...They are not licensed

[Dark Horse]

I don't see where I am in the wrong. The game was offered, the software functioned as it was supposed to, I played by their rules.

I'm not saying you're in the wrong. But you did exploit a mistake knowingly. That may be natural from a gambler's perspective, but the point is that there was no gambling involved.

For instance, if I had found a glaring mistake like this at Heritage, I would have told them about it, because I like the book, and because I knew they let one slip through. But I may not have told a book I didn't respect.

In this case, the public perception has already turned against 5D, so very few people are going to 'return the wallet', so to speak.

The argument 5D has is that this was no different than the human error in putting up a bad line. Only here the programmer made the error.

SBR can't win this in the court of public opinion. Nor can 5D. Too many people want to tar and feather Tony. And anything else will not satisfy that lynch mob.

If I were Tony I'd pay you 5K (5Dimes) for identifying that error in the casino. That would be on the high side for two hours of work, in my opinion, but there is a point where the book has to pay for its mistakes. Otherwise they can just keep making the same mistake over and over.

[Br0nxer]

tony you skumbag

if we ever met i would have you walking the fukkin corner to make me a few dollars you fukkin chump

[ForgetWallStreet]

The argument 5D has is that this was no different than the human error in putting up a bad line. Only here the programmer made the error.

The topic of "bad lines" is covered thoroughly in their TOCs. Is the same true of bad payout charts in the casino?

[mtneer1212]

This will be an interesting case. The poster appears legitimate, educated, intelligent, non-confrontational and has integrity. It also appears that he did nothing wrong, illegal, or against the rules. This will be a pickle for 5dimes........

[donjuan]

I'm not saying you're in the wrong. But you did exploit a mistake knowingly. That may be natural from a gambler's perspective, but the point is that there was no gambling involved.

For instance, if I had found a glaring mistake like this at Heritage, I would have told them about it, because I like the book, and because I knew they let one slip through. But I may not have told a book I didn't respect.

In this case, the public perception has already turned against 5D, so very few people are going to 'return the wallet', so to speak.

The argument 5D has is that this was no different than the human error in putting up a bad line. Only here the programmer made the error.

SBR can't win this in the court of public opinion. Nor can 5D. Too many people want to tar and feather Tony. And anything else will not satisfy that lynch mob.

If I were Tony I'd pay you 5K (5Dimes) for identifying that error in the casino. That would be on the high side for two hours of work, in my opinion, but there is a point where the book has to pay for its mistakes. Otherwise they can just keep making the same mistake over and over.

Actually it's very different than putting up a bad line. In Vegas, books have to pay bad lines by law. The only reason voiding bets on bad lines in the offshore industry is because these laws don't exist (and are offshore industry standard) AND because the books explicitly state this in their T&C. If there is nothing in 5Dimes' T&C about bad pay tables they really have no leg to stand on. Comparing it to a bad line in sports is ridiculous.