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  • ericmangin
    SBR High Roller
    • 12-06-08
    • 179

    #1
    Taking Down Sports Too?
    Will A+ Books be Affected at all by these new online gaming legislations?
  • Chopsticks
    SBR MVP
    • 06-30-09
    • 1057

    #2
    No idea.

    Did any of the affected poker sites use Gold--Pay by the way?
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    • Hareeba!
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 07-01-06
      • 37279

      #3
      Originally posted by ericmangin
      Will A+ Books be Affected at all by these new online gaming legislations?
      the genuine A+ books aren't affected as they don't have US customers
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      • barcelonafc
        SBR Sharp
        • 02-16-11
        • 428

        #4
        other books like The Greek and 5 dimes will have a real headache over this,

        might decide to cut all links to the us
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        • mikeanite
          SBR Sharp
          • 04-13-10
          • 475

          #5
          by the looks of the situation, it might be next. what should we players do to protect our bankroll?
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          • sneak-a-peak
            SBR MVP
            • 11-07-09
            • 1373

            #6
            Originally posted by mikeanite
            by the looks of the situation, it might be next. what should we players do to protect our bankroll?
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            • pokernut9999
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 07-25-07
              • 12757

              #7
              Originally posted by Hareeba!
              the genuine A+ books aren't affected as they don't have US customers


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              • BrigadierPudding
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 11-07-09
                • 617

                #8
                I just had a highly rated book process a deposit. Business as usual.

                The poker sites got brought down because a former employee that had intimate knowledge of the processors and bank accounts was working with the feds. There are deposit methods that the feds can never touch. Those will always be available. Books may tighten up and limit the number of deposit/withdrawal methods but to think they will all pull out of the US market is ludicrous.
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                • Legions36
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-17-10
                  • 3032

                  #9
                  Naw, i mean what do u think is going to happen when u buy banks in the US to process payouts which these guys did. Its probably better they did this cause look at the scheme with UB and AB come on, and thats only all the stuff they found out just think what they didn't find out. I think sports will be fine, if they do decide to mess around i will be forced to move out of here.
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                  • ericmangin
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 12-06-08
                    • 179

                    #10
                    pokerstars got too big for itself. tv shows, advertising, they were out there!

                    you'll never see betjamaica jackets or the greek commercials.

                    the government can't touch these books cause there is no way to regulate and spirro and scotty johnson are actually too smart for that.

                    we might have to deal with payout restrictions or a possible delay but our money is always safe at bj or the greek. always!
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                    • here2fu
                      SBR Hustler
                      • 09-09-09
                      • 50

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ericmangin
                      pokerstars got too big for itself. tv shows, advertising, they were out there!

                      you'll never see betjamaica jackets or the greek commercials.

                      the government can't touch these books cause there is no way to regulate and spirro and scotty johnson are actually too smart for that.

                      we might have to deal with payout restrictions or a possible delay but our money is always safe at bj or the greek. always!

                      yeah i agree. I always wondered how pokerstars was advertising itself like it was on tv and everywhere else like they were untouchable.
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                      • mtneer1212
                        SBR MVP
                        • 06-22-08
                        • 4993

                        #12
                        Stick with taking a trip to Walmart or the grocery store and you'll be fine.
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                        • jackkkk2009
                          SBR MVP
                          • 07-13-09
                          • 1183

                          #13
                          They plled out of US market because they are PLC.. betjamaica, the greek and 5dimes aren't..
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                          • JackHorner
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 02-21-10
                            • 212

                            #14
                            Greed kills everything. Who do you think gave that anonymous tip came from on the Australian who snaked a reported $100m from PS and FTP was visiting Vegas? I bet it's hard to not say anything when you're getting taken for millions, but when you know you're in the wrong and the only person capable of destroying your empire gets snitched on, what do you expect? These companies were making billions off of poker. FTP and PS knew what they were doing was illegal in regards to processing payments within the US. If these two sites were able to pay off banks and processors, what's not to say that they didn't bribe gaming officals in which they were regulated knowing that they possibly could have been running a rigged game? That's a whole other debate though, but certainly something to consider.
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                            • sq764
                              SBR MVP
                              • 04-17-07
                              • 1026

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ericmangin
                              Will A+ Books be Affected at all by these new online gaming legislations?
                              there are no new gaming legislations..
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                              • xstud
                                SBR MVP
                                • 01-12-08
                                • 1643

                                #16
                                Just like Mtneer said... stick with western and moneyg and you are set. The books that would rely on cc's and e chek would be the ones possibly affected by what happened.
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                                • Rollins08
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-20-07
                                  • 1337

                                  #17
                                  Its already gotten tougher to make deposits. ** and ** seem to call out more people then ever. I feel that gaming will become so hard that people will get frustrated and turn away. That more then anything will kill the big A+ books that operate in the US.
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                                  • sq764
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 04-17-07
                                    • 1026

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                    the genuine A+ books aren't affected as they don't have US customers
                                    which books are you referring to?
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                                    • xstud
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-12-08
                                      • 1643

                                      #19
                                      he is referring to books like pinny, betfair etc.
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                                      • John Dough
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-21-05
                                        • 1785

                                        #20
                                        There are some very important, key differences between the major poker sites that got into trouble and respected offshore sportsbooks. Simply saying "the gov't went after poker, so sportsbooks are next" may seem logical, but if you take the time to learn about the details of the poker situation (try the 2+2 legislation forum), you'll realize it's not nearly as likely as you may have first thought.

                                        In general, the sportsbooks have done a better job than the poker sites of maintaining a buffer between the country(s) in which they actually operate and the US (banks, funds, owners, mainstream advertising, etc.)

                                        Anything is possible, I don't claim that there's zero chance any sportsbook well eventually face a similar problem, but I firmly believe that the poker indictments in no way signal that the sky is falling for offshore sportsbooks and the end is near. More likely, some books may face temporary processor issues or fewer deposit/withdrawal options, but that's been happening off and on for several years, and they tend to eventually get worked out.
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                                        • Ruifgalmeida
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 04-23-08
                                          • 2024

                                          #21
                                          Sportsbook dont move as much money as Poker , so they are safe for now.
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                                          • FreeFall
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-20-08
                                            • 3365

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by ericmangin
                                            Will A+ Books be Affected at all by these new online gaming legislations?
                                            can you define "these new online gaming legislations", I'm not sure what you are referring to.
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                                            • alalha
                                              SBR Hustler
                                              • 08-28-10
                                              • 86

                                              #23
                                              Sports betting will continue
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                                              • Legions36
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-17-10
                                                • 3032

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by alalha
                                                Sports betting will continue
                                                I sure hope so, i will move before i stop to lucrative.
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                                                • Dark Horse
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 12-14-05
                                                  • 13764

                                                  #25
                                                  Poker bluffed and lost. Sports betting played it smarter with a low profile. Staying under the radar is the way to deal with the US government.
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                                                  • David
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 08-11-05
                                                    • 875

                                                    #26
                                                    Sportsbooks not going away. Will just be challenging depositing/withdrawing for US players.
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                                                    • Legions36
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 12-17-10
                                                      • 3032

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by David
                                                      Sportsbooks not going away. Will just be challenging depositing/withdrawing for US players.
                                                      Everything should be back to normal soon, i think what ever happened from this already happened in January when they got those processors.
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                                                      • chase hardy
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 01-07-10
                                                        • 1324

                                                        #28
                                                        I really dont think books will be affected!
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                                                        • soxwin1917
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-09-08
                                                          • 1188

                                                          #29
                                                          Hopefully by the time that sportsbooks would be targeted, there will already be some new legislation that defuses this matter.
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                                                          • Seattle Slew
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 01-02-06
                                                            • 7373

                                                            #30
                                                            As someone else posted, there is no new legislation. Don't believe everything you read.

                                                            Originally posted by FreeFall
                                                            can you define "these new online gaming legislations", I'm not sure what you are referring to.
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                                                            • ncsubowen
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 02-12-11
                                                              • 1227

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by barcelonafc
                                                              other books like The Greek and 5 dimes will have a real headache over this,

                                                              might decide to cut all links to the us
                                                              5dimes isn't taking cking acct payments anymore.
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                                                              • philswin
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 04-18-07
                                                                • 1279

                                                                #32
                                                                Hope we see some restrictions on account deposits and withdrawals, maybe $800 minimum on each, these small deposits and constant deposits and withdrawals can't help.
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                                                                • ByeShea
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 06-30-08
                                                                  • 8105

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Most of this thread is wishful thinking, pretty much worthless.

                                                                  Hate to say it but prospects are bleak for US players. Expect more shadiness and less reliability from offshore books.
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                                                                  • goblinburner
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 11-28-10
                                                                    • 621

                                                                    #34
                                                                    i will be preying the sportsbooks dodge a bullet and not take us players out of there market cuz if they doi will be proxying my ip adress as i live in costa rica
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                                                                    • scott235
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 10-12-09
                                                                      • 465

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by philswin
                                                                      Hope we see some restrictions on account deposits and withdrawals, maybe $800 minimum on each, these small deposits and constant deposits and withdrawals can't help.
                                                                      Not true. The average scalper "churns" (deps and wd's) way more than those picking sides... it takes more money and transactions, esp if they are bonus whoring.
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