partybets and gamebookers

Hareeba! · 03-19-11, 02:52 PM

cheats

Albania · 03-19-11, 02:56 PM

Hareeba can you explain a little bit more than just one word

Chopsticks · 03-19-11, 03:00 PM

You will be fine playing here but for better (more markets) live wagering go with Bet365. If you want the best odds and if you are betting on high volume matches then go with Betfair. Game/party pay very fast though.

Albania · 03-19-11, 03:04 PM

thank you chopsticks for the reply. you are saying that it is safe to play there ? I used to play with bet365 but their website interface now sucks.

Hareeba! · 03-19-11, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Albania

Hareeba can you explain a little bit more than just one word

I had a 2-0 tennis sets bet with GameBookers on a match where there was a retirement.
They settled it as a loss claiming that my player had already lost as he dropped the first set.
Their rules (and just about every other book on this planet's) said that all sets bets are void if the match isn't completed.
I won on appeal to IBAS.
Then Gamebookers changed their rules (and Partybets have the same one) to ensure they can steal the money in those circumstances. Meaning that sets betting is an absolute bonanza for them when there is a retirement. They pay out no winners but keep the stakes of some players.

cc440unn · 03-19-11, 06:42 PM

partybetsis dumb shit

no lines

bad odds

JustinBieber · 03-19-11, 06:50 PM

Hareeba sums it up.

Stefan · 03-19-11, 07:08 PM

Apart from this tennis set betting rule gamebookers and partybets are okay until you get personal limits.

Hareeba! · 03-19-11, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Stefan

Apart from this tennis set betting rule gamebookers and partybets are okay until you get personal limits.

hmmm, maybe, but I wouldn't trust a mob that pulls stunts like that

in regard to limits, yes they are the same as all the other euro books

jimbo747 · 03-19-11, 08:22 PM

Crap odds, crap limits (or might be just me), plenty of bonuses and other +EV offers the only reason to play here. They do payout very quickly, and their CS seems on the ball.

Aren't these joining up with bwin, or rather, bwin taking over?

cc440unn · 03-19-11, 11:33 PM

bwin is really in an other category than party. not the same game IMO

lukahh · 03-19-11, 11:47 PM

i enjoyed using them until limits hit.

regarding the set bets... tought call. if it means better overall odds, id accept it. if you bet 2-0 and it was already 0-1, you lost, right?

cc440unn · 03-20-11, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

I had a 2-0 tennis sets bet with GameBookers on a match where there was a retirement.
They settled it as a loss claiming that my player had already lost as he dropped the first set.
Their rules (and just about every other book on this planet's) said that all sets bets are void if the match isn't completed.
I won on appeal to IBAS.
Then Gamebookers changed their rules (and Partybets have the same one) to ensure they can steal the money in those circumstances. Meaning that sets betting is an absolute bonanza for them when there is a retirement. They pay out no winners but keep the stakes of some players.

but dude.... your bet had no chance to be winner after your guys lost the first set..... for the guys who had bet 2-0 for the other guys. nobody know if he had win the second set so they cant pay him his win.... but for you...they re sure you had loose... I never see a tennis guys good as much for make a comeback from 0-1 to 2-0

Hareeba! · 03-20-11, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by cc440unn

but dude.... your bet had no chance to be winner after your guys lost the first set..... for the guys who had bet 2-0 for the other guys. nobody know if he had win the second set so they cant pay him his win.... but for you...they re sure you had loose... I never see a tennis guys good as much for make a comeback from 0-1 to 2-0

that's true but it's not the way the rest of the industry plays it .. and it was not in accord with their rules at the time

you can't have a bookie taking player money with no way they are going to pay out any unless they offer retirement as an option you can bet on

cc440unn · 03-20-11, 12:58 AM

what would be the odds for a player retirement in a tennis game.. LOlll ?????

Hareeba! · 03-20-11, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by cc440unn

what would be the odds for a player retirement in a tennis game.. LOlll ?????

when it's Chela v Schwank ... never ever in doubt

protein · 03-20-11, 02:05 AM

You can play at Gamebookers for long time before they limit You. They have fast payout, at least tom Moneybookers. They have the Points system well.

TT22 · 03-20-11, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by cc440unn

but dude.... your bet had no chance to be winner after your guys lost the first set..... for the guys who had bet 2-0 for the other guys. nobody know if he had win the second set so they cant pay him his win.... but for you...they re sure you had loose... I never see a tennis guys good as much for make a comeback from 0-1 to 2-0

If the rules say sets betting is void in case of retirement, then it's void regardless of what the score is.

For example, books have same rules in baseball totals. I have bet the over before and had the gamed rained out and my bet cancelled even though the game was already over the total.

Hareeba! · 03-20-11, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by protein

You can play at Gamebookers for long time before they limit You. They have fast payout, at least tom Moneybookers. They have the Points system well.

what's a "long time" ?

time isn't relevant
one player may make a bet every six months, whilst another has six every day
it didn't take them a "long time" by my definition to limit me

zwoeins · 03-20-11, 04:05 AM

they don't limit very fast - but the odds move sometimes fast (down) at the moment you want to submit your bet.
what I like is that you can see what the max bet is (for you) on each bet - but this can also move down within seconds!

in my opinion 'long time' at gamebookers means at least 6 month with a few bets every day
I'm still waiting for...

meckis · 03-20-11, 04:25 AM

Never had any problemes with them

LUSabres · 03-20-11, 05:08 AM

Partybets from experience doesn't offer much.

Stefan · 03-20-11, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by zwoeins

they don't limit very fast - but the odds move sometimes fast (down) at the moment you want to submit your bet.
what I like is that you can see what the max bet is (for you) on each bet - but this can also move down within seconds!

in my opinion 'long time' at gamebookers means at least 6 month with a few bets every day
I'm still waiting for...

That they show the maximum stake is a positiv point, but you can't ask for more. When you get limited a bookie is still useful when you have the option to ask for a higher stake than offered.

Degenerate · 03-21-11, 02:21 AM

If you already have an account with partybets can you set one up with gamebookers?

juuso · 03-21-11, 02:31 AM

They are both pretty much same book, with different skins. I have accounts at both. Might get limited if you win a bit, but they have good poker room and payouts are solid.

leon · 03-21-11, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

that's true but it's not the way the rest of the industry plays it .. and it was not in accord with their rules at the time

you can't have a bookie taking player money with no way they are going to pay out any unless they offer retirement as an option you can bet on

It s not the way the rest of the industry plays it?come on man,don t behave like a child.bwin,betfair and b365 always settle the lost or winnings bets before the events have finish.You know that.

Hareeba! · 03-21-11, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by leon

It s not the way the rest of the industry plays it?come on man,don t behave like a child.bwin,betfair and b365 always settle the lost or winnings bets before the events have finish.You know that.

either you don't understand what I am saying or you are way off beam mate

I have been playing at Betfair with tennis my principal sport for a decade now and I know that along with all the other prime books in the world sets betting is deemed void on a retirement regardless of the state of the match at the time.

NEVER do Betfair settle sets bets until the match is over.

batigol · 03-21-11, 06:56 AM

Not a bookie for professional players. + very bad odds

Hareeba! · 03-21-11, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by batigol

Not a bookie for professional players. + very bad odds

very true and sadly that's the case with all the Euro bookies

there are only a handful of genuine A grade betting agencies where pros can get set at competitive odds

Hareeba! · 03-21-11, 04:46 PM

and further for the education of Leon, this is Pinnacle's rule regarding sets betting:

"If a tennis match is not completed because of a player retirement or disqualification, all Set wagers will be considered void. Such wagers will be cancelled and the monies refunded."

althelegend · 03-21-11, 08:17 PM

PB and Gamebookers offer many promotions to its members but most of these are of poor quality.

also their policy of charging an 'inactive account' fee, sucks.

zwoeins · 03-23-11, 02:45 AM

Has Gamebookers moved down their bonus amount for GBPoints?
As I remember I got 100$ Bonus for 1500 GBPoints
yesterday I saw that it es now just 80$

Is this just a 'special offer' to me or has it generally be lowered?

jairocon · 03-23-11, 03:29 AM

For arbers getting a loss on a 2-0 set bet when there's retirement, means a big loss as the other side of that bet will be void. It doesn't matter that the 2-0 side would have lost anyway if the first set was lost... because the other side of that arb +1.5 set while it would have won, is now voided in case of a retirement. Anytime you arb, you do need to know the exact specific rules of the books where you place your bets.

Anyway, haven't used gamebookers much - seems in line with the rest of the euro books. Small limits, average odds... Haven't had a problem yet, but haven't placed too many bets there either, as I always find better odds elsewhere.