Forum rumor - Matchbook will withdraw from USA today.

[Legions36]

easily. i haven't placed a bet there in over a year.

Keep it that way, this way i can put more food on the table for me.

[HedgeHog]

Keep it that way, this way i can put more food on the table for me.

With all due respect, how can you put more food on the table by encouraging people not to bet at MB? Since it's an exchange, the more the better for the bettor.

[durito]

Keep it that way, this way i can put more food on the table for me.

good for you.

[Thremp]

HedgeHog is really growing on me.

[33therizla]

how can matchbook have us accounts?

[shipitkthx]

Credit guys were 100% shut down monday. 100k credit lines showed $1 on monday morning. The powers that be must of thought it over ans saw that they need these guys and all was restored. That is all I am saying. I know nothing about post up and never was talking about it.

^^^^^^

LOL @ anyone claiming that nothing whatsoever happened on matchbook in the last 48 hours.

[todd73nj]

So I guess no one here is a big enough player to have/have had a credit account?

[Legions36]

With all due respect, how can you put more food on the table by encouraging people not to bet at MB? Since it's an exchange, the more the better for the bettor.

I was actually using reverse psychology on him, cause of his comment.

[Fishhead]

easily. i haven't placed a bet there in over a year.

My condolences......

[the sink]

We should offer matchbook money to bring back the market makers

[durito]

My condolences......

tough life

[KGambler]

Wow. Another terrible post full of fail by skeletorfan.

LOL. Because you have your own definition of liquidity that runs completely counter to any reasonable definition of liquidity, anyone who disagrees that the market was illiquid Monday is "clueless." Free hint: the NBA betting market is open for a long time before "the time of the first game."

Pick up the most rudimentary textbook, hell, go to Wikipedia since that's about your speed: "The essential characteristic of a liquid market is that there are ready and willing buyers and sellers at all times." Where the hell were the willing sellers at noon PST on Monday??? They weren't there, hence the market was not liquid.
???

By your definition, the NYSE does not represent a liquid market. How could you be this UNEDUCATED? You clearly don't know what "liquidity" means.

I never said "there's no liquidity, I guess I can't bet here." I said "there's no liquidity, I can't be a buyer."

More nonsense. Nothing you say makes any sense to people who have a clue.

I was in the market, and there was no market for me as a buyer. Hence the liquidity was awful.

This is typical. A guy posts something really stupid, gets called out on it, and then moves the goal posts rather than retract what he said. Here is what you said:

Liquidity on NBA sides was absolutely awful yesterday.

Gee, I don't see any "at noon" caveat. You just labeled the liquidity "absolutely awful" "yesterday". I have never seen good liquidity in the MB NBA market hours before game time. That is not what we are talking about. You moved the goal posts. Quite pathetic... I really shouldn't even waste my time with liars like this.

Go back to posting about Credit Wagering as if they're some sort of reliable book, that's more up your alley than big boy economic terms that you don't understand.

You're so incompetent. You clearly have me confused with another poster. Do you ever get anything right?

You weren't in the market either at that time (unless you were the guy with the $300 offers) so who the hell are you to rag on other people for not making offers at that time when you weren't making offers either???

Again moving the goal posts... Read what I actually wrote. In this thread I have already said that I don't dispute that liquidity was lower because I was not monitoring the markets except for a small 15 minute window. I have already said that liquidity is never good at the time you cited upon moving the goal posts. I have already said that I only took issue with two comments about the liquidity. One person said it was "empty" and you said it was "awful". I know it wasn't awful because I wanted to make a $3K bet and it took me no time at all. Ditto for the next day when I bet $4K on one game. I already know that the liquidity is not "awful", nor are the markets "empty".

You want to have arbs handed to you on a silver platter. You are scared shitless to make an offer because you don't handicap and are afraid of line movements.

Good luck with your gambling career.

[KGambler]

I really don't see any point in continuing to try to convince anyone that Matchbook is an essential out for any serious player. If they can't understand that it's better to lay -100 than -105 or -110, or that if the line elsewhere is -125/+115, and if you make an offer at -119 it is likely to get matched (and you'll get a rebate besides), then they are losers, pure and simple.

And lol at the guy who said that losing bettors will lose more slowly at Matchbook. That's a GOOD thing, isn't it, assuming you're intent on gambling regardless? And, by the same logic, if you're a winning player you'll win more at Matchbook.

BTW - I made offers on 4 NBA games, 1 NHL game, and 1 college game yesterday, and all were matched.

Great post.

[Monte]

Just stop glorifying them maybe, people who really have a clue know that it is as hard to beat lines at Matchbook as it would be at Pinny on a mature market. You just don't loose much, but it doesn't mean it makes you a winner. Weak lines at MB get picked off quickly, what's so hard to understand about that. Sure if you are fast it can still be good, but not easy.
Why do ppl like Fishhead taunt books like SIA, Heritage with their bonuses or any other square shop? Because that's where the money is, if you can still play there...

[Legions36]

Just stop glorifying them maybe, people who really have a clue know that it is as hard to beat lines at Matchbook as it would be at Pinny on a mature market. You just don't loose much, but it doesn't mean it makes you a winner. Weak lines at MB get picked off quickly, what's so hard to understand about that. Sure if you are fast it can still be good, but not easy.
Why do ppl like Fishhead taunt books like SIA, Heritage with their bonuses or any other square shop? Because that's where the money is, if you can still play there...

OMG what are u trying to prove hear. If u dont like the lines dont bet on them, if u dont have time to find a good price dont bet on them, if u think its to hard to win at Match dont bet on them. I use all the top books and i like Match the best out of all of them. Put it this way why do u guys say its hard to win at Match when most of the time u get better prices than other places. And when u dont then u look elsewhere how hard is that. Do u know how much a .05-.10 line difference adds up over time, just out of 10k bets thats 500-1000 right theres, 100k thats 5k-10k right there. Do u guys realize this or u like paying more for not taking the time to do your homework.
Also Matchbook's lines has nothing to do with the outcome of games,seriously its 1 of 2 ways either your gonna win or your not and with those numbers i just posted for you guys it gives u guys that much more of a chance of prospering.
Offshore or not everyone should have Match or similar,i cant vouch for Betfair cause im not there but they say great things about it.

[cobra_king]

The great thing about reading threads like these is it makes you realize why some of us can always consistently make money betting sports.

[KGambler]

The first part of your post is ridiculous and has been addressed ad nauseum.

Why do ppl like Fishhead taunt books like SIA, Heritage with their bonuses or any other square shop? Because that's where the money is, if you can still play there...

I for one love square books. I also love to bet Indy +6 -105 at a square book and Mia -6 +112 at Matchbook. WTF is so hard to understand about this?

[Legions36]

The first part of your post is ridiculous and has been addressed ad nauseum.



I for one love square books. I also love to bet Indy +6 -105 at a square book and Mia -6 +112 at Matchbook. WTF is so hard to understand about this?

In one ear and out the other.

[Scooter]

SAS -8.5 +113

18:58 +111 200/222
18:59 +111 795/882.45
19:04 +114 1959.65/2234
19:04 +114 0.35/0.40

commission +5.91

Total 2955/3344.76



Here's the Pinny line:
6:52 PM-8 -103+8 -107
7:01 PM-8 +101+8 -111
7:05 PM-8 +100+8 -110
7:07 PM-8 +103+8 -114

Were these all offers you accepted?

[Monte]

The first part of your post is ridiculous and has been addressed ad nauseum.



I for one love square books. I also love to bet Indy +6 -105 at a square book and Mia -6 +112 at Matchbook. WTF is so hard to understand about this?

Nothing, besides it is the proof that you are a square who pissed money away by scalping it out instead of taking the big +EV. Go play with the kids and leave ppl with a clue alone please, thanks.

[Fishhead]

Nothing, besides it is the proof that you are a square who pissed money away by scalping it out instead of taking the big +EV. Go play with the kids and leave ppl with a clue alone please, thanks.

More proof that you should resign from this thread..............

[Monte]

Why, so shills like you have a better day? Lol, i don't care it is a bit of fun that's all when clueless people or just ppl who prolly get paid to post this shit are babbling.

[Fishhead]

Why, so shills like you have a better day? Lol, i don't care it is a bit of fun that's all when clueless people or just ppl who prolly get paid to post this shit are babbling.

....more nonsense.

At least your posts are good for a laugh.

[Legions36]

Why, so shills like you have a better day? Lol, i don't care it is a bit of fun that's all when clueless people or just ppl who prolly get paid to post this shit are babbling.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah we are paid so we can post here at any time we want. And clueless i think your wrong, "u dont care" your wrong again, only thing your right about is "its a bit of fun"

[Cookie Monster]

I am a bit annoyed with this tread posts. Instead of calling names, players and arbers would be thankful of each others. Many arbers sacrifice EV to reduce variance, so they buy offers from +EV players. Both sides get their wishes, and most possibly win money. No one is dumb, both have a winning strategy.

Other random thoughts:

1.- Matchbook often has the best prices in many sides. It is a great weapon for many players. But is is NOT supposed to be the only book of anyone. Besides matchy, you must have at least one low juice book (pinny, 5dimes) a big limit one (pinny, greek, cris) and some square books. So, repeat after me: Matchbook is not supposed to take all my bets.

2.- Liquidity clearly took a hit earlier this week. You still could get some orders filled, and the offers in the last minutes were fine... but saying that everything worked like before is fooling yourself. Looks like liquidity was better yesterday, we all hope this trend continues.

[KGambler]

Were these all offers you accepted?

No, those were offers I made and others accepted.

[sideloaded]

I am a bit annoyed with this tread posts. Instead of calling names, players and arbers would be thankful of each others. Many arbers sacrifice EV to reduce variance, so they buy offers from +EV players. Both sides get their wishes, and most possibly win money. No one is dumb, both have a winning strategy.

Other random thoughts:

1.- Matchbook often has the best prices in many sides. It is a great weapon for many players. But is is NOT supposed to be the only book of anyone. Besides matchy, you must have at least one low juice book (pinny, 5dimes) a big limit one (pinny, greek, cris) and some square books. So, repeat after me: Matchbook is not supposed to take all my bets.

2.- Liquidity clearly took a hit earlier this week. You still could get some orders filled, and the offers in the last minutes were fine... but saying that everything worked like before is fooling yourself. Looks like liquidity was better yesterday, we all hope this trend continues.

Thank you for saying this.

[HedgeHog]

I think Cookie Monster nailed it--we do seem to be splitting hairs. MB does have pockets of liquidity, much like an oasis in the desert. NBA halftimes, for example, are often flush with offers. Hoping, as we all are, that Baseball brings even more liquidity back. Long live MB.

[Fishhead]

I think Cookie Monster nailed it--we do seem to be splitting hairs. MB does have pockets of liquidity, much like an oasis in the desert. NBA halftimes, for example, are often flush with offers. Hoping, as we all are, that Baseball brings even more liquidity back. Long live MB.

[mtneer1212]

Baseball has always been a strength for Matchbook. Let's hope they are strong come springtime.

[Fishhead]

Baseball has always been a strength for Matchbook. Let's hope they are strong come springtime.

Certainly should be........should be many deposits coming into MB heading into MARCH MADNESS/BASEBALL

[skrtelfan]

By your definition, the NYSE does not represent a liquid market.

Not my definition. I grabbed that from Wikipedia, which is around your level of reading comprehension.

Gee, I don't see any "at noon" caveat. You just labeled the liquidity "absolutely awful" "yesterday". I have never seen good liquidity in the MB NBA market hours before game time.

Obviously you don't bet at Matchbook, par for the course with you and your 2+2 buddies. There's usually several thousand dollars per side at a reasonably tight spread. That wasn't the case Monday.

You're so incompetent. You clearly have me confused with another poster. Do you ever get anything right?

You've made many posts to 2+2 over the past few days implying that one's presence on the CreditWagering "stiff list" means they're a stiff. You know CW robbed about as many people on CPs as sportsbook.com, right? CW's MO was to void the CPs and then essentially try to extort their clients by labeling them "stiffs" if they didn't pay to make up for the voided CPs.

In this thread I have already said that I don't dispute that liquidity was lower because I was not monitoring the markets except for a small 15 minute window.

Great, you agree with me.

I have already said that liquidity is never good at the time you cited upon moving the goal posts.

Great, you agree that liquidity was awful.

I have already said that I only took issue with two comments about the liquidity.
One person said it was "empty" and you said it was "awful". I know it wasn't awful

You just agreed it was awful a few sentences before until you moved the goal posts. I shouldn't even waste my time replying to these lies.

because I wanted to make a $3K bet and it took me no time at all. Ditto for the next day when I bet $4K on one game. I already know that the liquidity is not "awful", nor are the markets "empty".

That you were able to bet 3k shortly before tipoff does not mean the liquidity was not awful. NBA markets are open for a much longer time than a few minutes before tipoff.

You want to have arbs handed to you on a silver platter.

No, I rarely arb, actually, for the most part I'm able to identify soft sides.

You are scared shitless to make an offer because you don't handicap and are afraid of line movements.

No, I do plenty of my own handicapping. You'll find plenty of previous posts of mine where I've complained that my Matchbook offers in major soccer markets weren't accepted even though my offer was better than Betfair's price pre-commission. I guess you've taken a page out of Fishhead's textbook of "making shit up."

[skrtelfan]

I for one love square books. I also love to bet Indy +6 -105 at a square book and Mia -6 +112 at Matchbook. WTF is so hard to understand about this?

Who's the one too chickenshit to bet anything but arbs? LOL. You might as well write Matchbook a check rather than bet that -6 +112.

[Jnas]

I e-mailed MB about depositing on Wednesday no response. I e-mailed them again today no response. In my prior experience with them they have always responded fast. Starting to wonder if something is going on

[Fishhead]

I e-mailed MB about depositing on Wednesday no response. I e-mailed them again today no response. In my prior experience with them they have always responded fast. Starting to wonder if something is going on

MATCHBOOK is a must out for the U.S. based punter.......