Pinnaclesports NHL under/over 5

[elfida]

Hello guys

I'm totally frustrated on how pinnaclesports decide the total goals wagers.

I placed a wager on under 5 on Bruins @ Panthers tonight. As u know the game ended 2-2 after regular, then was decided in shoot-out. What's next? I found that my wager was cancelled because they count the shootout goals.. so what does that mean? Once the score is 2-2 there's no way u can win a wager on under 5.. it's inevitable if they count the penalty shoot-out goals.. Do u thinks it's fair? I don't think the ones placing wager on under 5 are equal in right with the ones placing over 5.. if u are on the over side.. once it's 2-2 u cannot lose after they count the penalty shootout goals..

[Hareeba!]

Good grief!

They clearly offer two quite separate pages:

> NHL Regulation Time
> NHL OT Included

just pick and bet on the one you want!

[The Bet Master]

The final score was 3-2. So The final goal total is 5. It's a fair rule, and standard for any book.

[Hareeba!]

The final score was 3-2. So The final goal total is 5. It's a fair rule, and standard for any book.

Pretty well standard for US facing books but not universal
Betfair for example offer only regulation time markets

[yisman]

^ yes, and so does Pinnacle and so do some American books.

That's irrelevant, though.

He bet including OT/SO, so his wager was a push, as it should have been.

[the_situation]

The final score was 3-2. So The final goal total is 5. It's a fair rule, and standard for any book.

this...i don't know any books that would grade that as a win...and it says on Pinny's site OT INCLUDED..

[Hareeba!]

this...i don't know any books that would grade that as a win...and it says on Pinny's site OT INCLUDED..

you have BOTH options at Pinnacle

[sq764]

arent the rules clear as day on this? not sure what the issue is

[socalaaron]

I don't understand what the issue is.. This should be a push..

[stikymess]

Good grief! They clearly offer two quite separate pages: > NHL Regulation Time > NHL OT Included just pick and bet on the one you want!

[thirtytwo]

welcome to gambling elfida

[tachi]

For NHL regular time Pinny offers spreads and moneylines.
Totals are only with OT.

[dynamite140]

Are you guys saying if a game ends in regulation at 2-2, there is actually a way for the score to END besides 3-2? I thought if a game ends 2-2 after 3rd period, that no matter what happens and whoever wins the shootout or whatever, would win 3-2.

[Hareeba!]

Are you guys saying if a game ends in regulation at 2-2, there is actually a way for the score to END besides 3-2? I thought if a game ends 2-2 after 3rd period, that no matter what happens and whoever wins the shootout or whatever, would win 3-2.

if you were to bet under 5 regulation time only you would win on a 2-2 score after 60 mins

[dynamite140]

Are those total lines on matchbook considered full game or regulation time? The same with 5dimes. I would assume these totals and the ones listed in the sbrodds are full game right? Don't you have to look for regulation time only?

And if you bet full game which i assume most people do.... when the game goes to overtime at 2-2... it HAS to end 3-2 no matter what correct?

Thanks Hareeba

[Hareeba!]

Are those total lines on Matchbook considered full game or regulation time? The same with 5dimes. I would assume these totals and the ones listed in the sbrodds are full game right? Don't you have to look for regulation time only?

And if you bet full game which i assume most people do.... when the game goes to overtime at 2-2... it HAS to end 3-2 no matter what correct?

Thanks Hareeba

Matchbook, like all the US facing books work on OT included results by default.
If scores are tied after regulation time the winner is always awarded 1 extra goal, either for scoring in OT or winning a shoot out if still tied after OT. So 2-2 has to end 3-2, 5-5 has to end 6-5 etc.

[dynamite140]

Thank you very much for that info Hareeba!!

[elfida]

Good grief! They clearly offer two quite separate pages: > NHL Regulation Time > NHL OT Included just pick and bet on the one you want!

to be honest i didnt read the rules before i saw how they graded my wager. i'm ok with not winning the bet.. it's all my fault i wasn't aware that the shoot-out is considered as part of the OT.. when placing the wager i was thinking that the result after the overtime is the one that decides the bet.. obvisiously i was wrong..

i'm not happy with the advantage of the ones placing over 5 wagers.. as i said if they count the shoot-out goal.. once the score is 2-2 the ones placed wager on over 5 are in void-win situation.. and these on under 5 are in loose-void situation.. however none of this would matter if it was over/under 5,5

[Ibrakadabra]

Since all of this (2-2 at end of regular means five goals etc.) is included in the odds you get you really can´t talk about if it´s fair or which bet has an advantage. If you bet under 5 you get a better odds compared to if you bet under 5,5 for the same game because it´s less likely to happen. And that´s the way all pricing of events is done... These odds aren´t put there randomly.

[lukahh]

i'm not happy with the advantage of the ones placing over 5 wagers.. as i said if they count the shoot-out goal.. once the score is 2-2 the ones placed wager on over 5 are in void-win situation.. and these on under 5 are in loose-void situation.. however none of this would matter if it was over/under 5,5

if you believe there is advantage betting o5, then do it. take advantage.
you'd find however, that in long term the odds correctly reflect the possibility (minius 1/2 of the juice).

[elfida]

by saying advantage i speak only about the moments when the score became 2-2.. if it's 4-0 or 3-1 this cannot happen.. when it's 2-2 the only way wager placed on under 5 may win and wager placed on over 5 may loose is IF they don't count the shootout goals..

[skrtelfan]

by saying advantage i speak only about the moments when the score became 2-2.. if it's 4-0 or 3-1 this cannot happen.. when it's 2-2 the only way wager placed on under 5 may win and wager placed on over 5 may loose is IF they don't count the shootout goals..

Welcome to gambling.

[in play, run(s)]

I don't really understand the problem. You placed a bet on under 5 goals, and the final score was 5 goals, so your bet is void. Everything was stated in the rules. Why is there a need for any discussion?

[Al Masters]

I don't really understand the problem. You placed a bet on under 5 goals, and the final score was 5 goals, so your bet is void. Everything was stated in the rules. Why is there a need for any discussion?

I believe he thinks that if the score is tied 2-2 he needs a goal in ovetime to tie,because if they go to a shoot out and a bunch of goals are scored in the shoot he will lose the bet....this is the reason he believes 5under can either be a loss or a void while 5over can only be a tie or a win.

To SUMMERIZE THE OP THINKS THAT IF IT REACHES A SHOOT OUT AND BOTH TEAMS SCORE MANY GOALS IN THE SHOOT OUT THEN OVER 5 IS A WINNER WHILE UNDER 5 IS A LOSER.

HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS AN AUTOMATIC TIE AS SOON AS IT REACHES OVERTIME WHEATHER YOU BET OVER OR UNDER 5.

RIDDLE SOLVED.

[chachi]

yep ... no matter what the shootout result is, the winning side is only awarded one goal on the final score ...

in simplest terms, 2-2 after 3 periods means O/U 5 will always be a push ...