[JBT]

This would be an accurate statement if one was a homosexual.

When I use a condom a female is always involved.

True, but then again, she gets fuc*ed and so do the Americans in this case

Excuse my language, no ill intention either, just good ol' humor

[20Four7]

If players will leave their home country for Pinny that deserves an A+ in my book too.

IMO Omegaman I'd just stop while you're ahead.

when did he move ahead.... it looks like he keeps falling behind.

[20Four7]

You can access Pinny from an American IP, I know I have done it as recently as 3 weeks ago.

[JBT]

You can access Pinny from an American IP, I know I have done it as recently as 3 weeks ago.

But for some reason, even if you are European, you can't use a credit card (master card) issued by an American bank (with your European address on file)!

[Karayilan9]

Are all these replies that are in favor of Pinnacle keeping their A+ rating from only european users? If the answer is Yes then my point that they don't deserve an A+ is certainly relative to where a user is from.

Only European users? you can use it from Morocco, Egypt and even Tanzania, don't blame Pinnacle. If you want to blame someone look closer to home, your online gambling freedoms are only slightly better than Saudi Arabia ...

[tommygun]

Meh, Betfair's better.

[JBT]

Wow... I was just told you cannot adjust the timezone settings according to your own timezone!?? WTF? Seriously, they don't allow Americans to play, yet all their game times are displayed in Pacific time! So even when betting on soccer and other games taking place in Europe, I can only see Pacific times... How the hell does that make any sense? Wow... so disappointing

[Halifax]

According to your logic, I guess Jessica Alba is only a 6 out of 10 since she won't let you bang her.

[trumpdown]

when did he move ahead.... it looks like he keeps falling behind.

True. He never was ahead in this debate.

To say Pinny isn't A+ is naive a fallacy.

You get your roll big enough you'll want Pinny period no matter what country you reside in.

[jimbo747]

Meh, Betfair's better.

Not much in it. BF appear to have better odds, but factor in commission and potential stealth tax and their odds are probably slightly lower. Good for horse racing though.
betfair payments always next day for me (since the infamous poker day), pinnies within the hour. Would have no problem keeping £40k in either place though tbh.

Prefer betdaq myself

[Ella600]

There are a lot of books that dont except players from a certain country.

[SmokyMcPot]

They just have VERY fair lines like -103 and stuff... always the sharpest lines with 5 Dimes and Greek...

[katstale]

I know this thread should just die, but just one more thing abt why Pinny is the king and all others are wannabes:

What other book takes this tack when you bet a bad line and want to complain abt the line not being bad, "Sir, if you persist in wanting us to honor what is in our opinion a bad line, we will do so and then send you your balance and close your account. What would you like us to do?" lolol

Nobody does that except the King. I NEVER heard of anyone keeping the bad line bet!! lolol

[tommygun]

I know this thread should just die, but just one more thing abt why Pinny is the king and all others are wannabes: What other book takes this tack when you bet a bad line and want to complain abt the line not being bad, "Sir, if you persist in wanting us to honor what is in our opinion a bad line, we will do so and then send you your balance and close your account. What would you like us to do?" lolol Nobody does that except the King. I NEVER heard of anyone keeping the bad line bet!! lolol

I can think of one better place to bet

[Hareeba!]

I can think of one better place to bet

well I know at least one place where taking a "bad line" will still get you paid no problems every time ..... Betfair

not so at Matchbook if they've stuffed up by leaving offers open after an outage

[tommygun]

well I know at least one place where taking a "bad line" will still get you paid no problems every time ..... Betfair not so at Matchbook if they've stuffed up by leaving offers open after an outage

[increasedodds]

They are definitely A+. Those who can find a way to use them do.

That said, they closed my account seven years ago (Long before they left the US) and have never been willing to tell me why. I only had one account. I never bet a bad line that I know of. I've asked them a dozen times why they closed it.

Here's their response:

Dear Sir,

Your Pinnacle account was closed in 2003 and it not eligible to be opened.

Kind regards,

Customer Service Department
Pinnacle Sports

[increasedodds]

When asked again, they follow it up with:

Dear Sir,

As previously advised, your account was closed in 2003.

We appreciate your understanding.


Kind regards,

Customer Service Department
Pinnacle Sports


I really wonder what they think I did.

[Sportslover]

Pinnacle is amazing and definately deserving of an A+ rating. Their low juice lines are worth many thousands of dollars to a lot of people. The only other book that I can think of that matches Pinnacle is SBOBet, for Asian Handicap Soccer bets.

[Climate]

Yes, Pinnacle is the best sportsbook out there.

[tachi]

When asked again, they follow it up with:

Dear Sir,

As previously advised, your account was closed in 2003.

We appreciate your understanding.


Kind regards,

Customer Service Department
Pinnacle Sports


I really wonder what they think I did.

may be they suspect some kind of fraud-identity,
with your deposits or withdrawals.

[Art Vandeleigh]

If you don't allow customers from every country then you don't deserve the top grade, END OF STORY!!!! Pinnacle Brown Nosers should still be happy if the grade was lowered to an A-

I think OP has a valid point, if there were some book in Khazakstan that was better than Pinny (pays out winnings of $200 million via Neteller in 5 seconds instead of 5 minutes) but only allowed Kazakstanies, Georgians, and Pakistanis to play, would most people here want to see them rated as an A+ book?

[Hareeba!]

I think OP has a valid point, if there were some book in Khazakstan that was better than Pinny (pays out winnings of $200 million via Neteller in 5 seconds instead of 5 minutes) but only allowed Kazakstanies, Georgians, and Pakistanis to play, would most people here want to see them rated as an A+ book?

Yes, A+ is A+

But what you appear to be overlooking is that the reason Pinnacle doesn't allow Yanks boils down to Uncle Sam's anti-gambling legislation which threatens the owners and employees of the bookmaker.

For most of us Pinnacle is indisputably the best bookmaker in the world and it would be utterly absurd to deny them the top rating because the US doesn't like gambling.

In similar vein, because of Australia's dumb law against online sports betting in play, Betfair doesn't accept online bets from Aussies when an event is in play. Would you say Betfair's rating should be downgraded for that?