Top 3 Charts of the biggest US scam books

[moonbeam]

1. Betphoenix
2. 5Dimes
3. Legendz

[Chopsticks]

Wtf.. I can understand that people sometimes have gripes with BetPhoenix and 5Dimes when they are just being ridiculous.... but Legendz?? Really??

They are really nice people over there. Sure they may have juiced up lines on baseball and their limits are low*, but they have some of the fastest and best customer service and payouts out there. Now they are even offering great bonuses . Not to mention they bailed out a lot of people who lost money at Bet911 even going so far that they offered up to $1500 in bonus money without making a deposit. You just can't beat the respect they have for their players and this business.

* Actually I have found that they have been great for moneyline NHL and NFL more than a few nights lately.

I will go and make a deposit with Legendz right now just because they are awesome.

Edit - Done!

[Justin7]

moonbeam,

I like to give players a fair shake. But how does a guy get in a fight with every book out there? You've even been tossed from Pinnacle, jeepers.

And Legendz? Really? In the 1000s of complaints I have seen, I've never received one against them. Now admittingly, I don't see all complaints. I ask for the interesting ones. But I've never heard anything bad about them.

How is it you are having problems with all these books?

[big joe 1212]

Legendz?

You now have ZERO credibility!

[moonbeam]

moonbeam,

I like to give players a fair shake. But how does a guy get in a fight with every book out there? You've even been tossed from Pinnacle, jeepers.

And Legendz? Really? In the 1000s of complaints I have seen, I've never received one against them. Now admittingly, I don't see all complaints. I ask for the interesting ones. But I've never heard anything bad about them.

How is it you are having problems with all these books?

It´s nothing speciall Justin.

I guess it is because all books needs to make money with the players. Thats their buiseness.

And as soon as you make make the money they dont like you anymore and they are starting to fugg you.

The only fair books I know are pinnacle and betfair.

[BChrisB]

moonbeam, with all due respect can you please describe what your definition of "scam" is? I'm not too sure your on the same page as the English language with your terminology here. I don't mean this argumentatively, however it seems the word is used quite loosely with your descriptions of quite a few books who in my opinion don't meet the criteria for the English definition of "scam."

Taken from Dictionary.com

Scam
noun, verb, scammed, scam·ming. –noun
–noun 1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.


Taken from thefreedictionary.com

–verb (used with object) 2.scam (skm) Slang n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams To defraud; swindle.

[Origin unknown.]
scammer n.

scam [skæm] Slangn a stratagem for gain; a swindle

vb scams, scamming, scammed (tr) to swindle (someone) by means of a trick


In all honesty, if many of the books you listed fell in this criteria, I would think we'd hear a lot more of it from players here at SBR and every gambling related forum on the web. If your definition varies from the above, please explain.

[dark star]

Dude get a life...get off the computer and do something with your life

[richb7a]

I have never dealt with beat phoenix or Legendz, Five dimes is great book period!

[Border Gadgie]

These posts from Moonbeam are just nonsense, they seem to be targeted at provoking a reaction or an argument rather than giving any useful information.

[Eagle1958]

If you play at Betphoenix, you deserve whatever you get

[Monte]

agree with 1., but 2 and 3 are just overrated imo

[onetrickpony]

add bodog, they fuking suk, im done with that shithole

[mtneer1212]

This is such a disappointing thread. Scam books? I was expecting to see BetUS, Oddsmaker, and some other Jazette garbage......

[Mr. Jones]

Everything is just wrong with this thread. Very innacurate and misleading.

[MadTiger]

Everything is just wrong with this thread. Very innacurate and misleading.

True. I would go on to say that unless a person relates real experiences as examples, that these type of threads be shit-piled.

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[Hareeba!]

I have never dealt with beat phoenix or Legendz, Five dimes is great book period!

have you had any experience with any other books at all?

you may actually learn how much better some others are than your beloved 5D which to me and many others are just a waste of time

[richb7a]

i have account at match i do like the fact they do not like the fact they do not answer the phone, have limited depositing methods. I would like them go get their act togehter. Yes, book to book transfer, I know I will be paid five dimes. May use Greek, and Matchbook

[Monte]

player's talk niveau incoming, gz

[Hareeba!]

i have account at match i do like the fact they do not like the fact they do not answer the phone,

I would pity anyone answering the phone who had to decipher that gem!

Get over it!
I've never ever needed to contact them via phone.
Ever heard of email?

[richb7a]

At least at five dimes I can push to make sure I get a tracking number of a check sent the next day over the phone

[mtneer1212]

Richb7a, do you like 5 dimes -- I only see 47 threads saying that you do, so I am unsure of your position.

[yisman]

I would pity anyone answering the phone who had to decipher that gem!

Get over it!
I've never ever needed to contact them via phone.
Ever heard of email?

I'd rather try to interpret what he said on the phone than read e-mails, because we know what the e-mails would look like.

[tommygun]

can't really comment as i do not use any of those books, but it sounds like moonbeam is just stirring the pot.

[xstud]

you forgot to add:

thegreek, Betjamaica, pinnacle, bookmaker and bodog to the list.

Bet911 where the players play!

[wrongturn]

add betfair and matchbook to the list. they either cheat casino players or make it difficult to deposit.

[jgilmartin]

FFS. No.

[acarmelo1]

Moonbeam only plays at Bet911

[BChrisB]

I would still like the hear Moonbeam's definition of the word, "scam."

[stikymess]

I have no issues with any of the listed 3. All have Paid in time frame promised.

[goblinburner]

I have never dealt with beat phoenix or Legendz, Five dimes is great book period!

i agree its way better then bodog at least for my opinion

[skrtelfan]

moonbeam,

I like to give players a fair shake. But how does a guy get in a fight with every book out there? You've even been tossed from Pinnacle, jeepers.

You mention in your book you would have been tossed from Pinnacle for sharp teaser action if you didn't agree to have the teasers voided, but you decided your long term EV at Pinnacle was more important than those individual bets. As such it's unfair for you to implicitly criticize another poster for having a problem with Pinnacle when they would have booted you for doing nothing more than making +EV teasers.

I've gotten that "we can change your decision in your favor but if we do we'll boot you" too and in my case the EV was only about 3% of BR so it was easily for me to decide to stay there, but such things can't be uncommon.

In my case, Pinnacle incorrectly voided a bet because they misinterpreted their rules and they reinstated the bet after it lost. They assured me that they also reinstated voided bets on the side that won and offered to re-void it, but they'd close my account if they re-voided it. Personally I found their responses to be rather curt and almost bullying because they were the ones that ****** up by voiding my bet, but in the grand scheme it certainly wasn't worth losing Pinnacle over, even if I had the benefit of hindsight of knowing that Pinnacle would be pulling out of the US market a few months later anyway.

[JoeVig]

I'm sorry I even stopped by this thread LOL.

[solring]

scam

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.