Be careful playing with 5Dimes

[turnip]

Tony: to win was 50/1
Tony: top 5 was 8/1
Tony: top 10 was 4/1
Tony: and what price do you think top 20 should have been?

This makes top 20 20/1 a bad line, black and white. No one can see those odds and think top 20 should be more of a longshot than top 5. This player took a shot.

However,

5Dimes had bad lines on this all week. A book could free-roll multiple players this way. This did not happen here, Tony paid this out at 3/1.

I hope the lesson everyone takes from this is not "5dimes cheats," but "don't take shots. The best case scenario is exactly what's happened here: you're playing at a fair book and they pay you around the fair price of the bet. If you're unlucky and playing at a fair book, your bet will still be payed out at a fair price, but your account will be closed. If you're playing at an unfair book, your bet will be voided.

[relaaxx]

most people know about 'not taking shots' -- most people also know about tony. 5dimes is a great place,if tony wasn't running it. i would love to play there, but tony runs it. the lesson i got again is that tony was also taking a shot at one player that we know about, waiting until it was an obvious winner. you just can't play where the guy who runs it does what he wants, when he wants, for whatever reason he wants----because he is after all 'GOD'

[thechaoz]

Anyone who grandstands and constantly refers to himself as god doesn't have my business. Regardless of the rating, the offshore industry in completely unregulated, players have zero recourse if a shop steals from us or shuts down and bails. Customer relations is SO important and really between that and lines/quick payouts is the most important factors in player's decisions.

[BetterBizness]

And around and around we go....

[antifoil]

Read the rules all books do this it is an industry standard if you do not like it move to vegas

The Greek: The Greek Sportsbook reserves the right to refuse or limit any wager. This may include, but not limited to past-posted plays, obvious line errors, or exceeded bet limit amounts.

Bookmaker: 24. In the case of an obvious error on the posted line, scheduled time, or maximum wager, any wagers will be deemed a "no action" wager, and all money will be credited accordingly.

Bet Jamaica: BetJamaica reserves the right to refuse or limit any wager. This may include, but not limited to past posted plays, obvious line errors, or exceeded bet limit amounts.

5Dimes: 5Dimes reserves the right to correct grading errors at any time. Incorrect payouts due to grading/software error and any additional earnings from those payouts are subject to voiding/forfeiture.

Betonline: BetOnline cannot be held responsible for any computer, typing or human error when posting odds, lines or point spreads. However, in the case of obvious mechanical, technical or human error in the prices or conditions we publish, we reserve the right, at our discretion, to correct obvious errors and to No-Action your wager.

Read the rules before you play people

5dimes has the worst rule under these. the others say obvious error lines. 5dimes does not. that word is very important

[ericthegangster]

dont ever deposit at 5dimes

[Shonner]

For Tony to be this angry, he must be barreled in himself.

[Halifax]

5dimes has the worst rule under these. the others say obvious error lines. 5dimes does not. that word is very important

Sharpcat quoted a different rule.

Here is 5 Dimes' actual wording of the rule that pertains to this situation:

5 Dimes general rules: "Immediately upon discovery, wagers placed on an event with an obvious erroneous line resulting from human error will be graded no action. If a wager with an erroneous line is not voided before play begins, 5Dimes reserves the right to remedy the odds to a fair market price which would have been available at the time the wager was placed. This price remedy may be applied during or after an event. Only the odds will be corrected on an erroneous line. The risk amount, applicable spread and total will always remain unchanged. A player will never benefit from betting on a clear erroneous line. Repeat offenders will not be tolerated."

You can't get much more clear than that.

[Dark Horse]

And around and around we go....

To infinity and beyond.

That would make it my turn again to say that SBR moderators are asleep at the wheel?

Or am I missing a beat here?

[Dark Horse]

I can do this all by myself by now.

You don't know sh*t, DH. Why don't you shut the f*ck up?

[skrtelfan]

This makes top 20 20/1 a bad line, black and white. No one can see those odds and think top 20 should be more of a longshot than top 5. This player took a shot.

What if the odds for top 4 and 8 etc were on a different page? There's no guarantee the player saw those odds.

No one has answered me how a book that can deal +350 on one side and -99999 on the other has any right to say something's a "bad line." If I lose that -99999 that should have really been -450, will Tony readjust my bet to -450?

[BigDaddy]

What if the odds for top 4 and 8 etc were on a different page? There's no guarantee the player saw those odds.

No one has answered me how a book that can deal +350 on one side and -99999 on the other has any right to say something's a "bad line." If I lose that -99999 that should have really been -450, will Tony readjust my bet to -450?

well said

you and moneyfocker have made the best points out of anyone in this thread besides the OP himself.

i would love to see the chat with tony on losing that -9999 wager asking him to adjust it and use the same reasoning he uses to the OP for ******* him.

Tony is a thief and anyone playing at his book can be stolen from at anytime

that is what we have learned in this thread.

[Halifax]

What if the odds for top 4 and 8 etc were on a different page? There's no guarantee the player saw those odds.

No one has answered me how a book that can deal +350 on one side and -99999 on the other has any right to say something's a "bad line." If I lose that -99999 that should have really been -450, will Tony readjust my bet to -450?

If you haven't figured it out yet, if you see a book whose software offers Yes/No options, and one of the options has odds of -99999, that means that this particular bet isn't really being offered as a Yes/No. The -99999 indicates that this "option" isn't really an option. Lots of books offer only "1-way" betting, and when you see a -99999, that is essentially what this bet is.

While some people may not realize that the -99999 signifies that this isn't really an option to bet, I think it's safe to say that no one will be dumb enough to bet the -99999.

[sharpcat]

If you haven't figured it out yet, if you see a book whose software offers Yes/No options, and one of the options has odds of -99999, that means that this particular bet isn't really being offered as a Yes/No. The -99999 indicates that this "option" isn't really an option. Lots of books offer only "1-way" betting, and when you see a -99999, that is essentially what this bet is.

While some people may not realize that the -99999 signifies that this isn't really an option to bet, I think it's safe to say that no one will be dumb enough to bet the -99999.

Anybody dumb enough to make this bet is guaranteed to lose all of their money gambling anyhow might as well make it a quick death.

[Halifax]

What if the odds for top 4 and 8 etc were on a different page? There's no guarantee the player saw those odds.

Whether or not these odds were on a different page, and whether or not the player actually saw them, doesn't change the fact that the 20-1 odds on the bet constituted a "bad line".

[BigDaddy]

its ok to be dumb and take terrible odds

but its not ok to be smart and take good odds?

so its ok for a book to put a line up that will just screw a player but if they mess up and put a line that is in favor of the player and wait until sunday when the guy is leading by 3 strokes to find the error and then cry it shouldn't be paid at the odds bet?

[sharpcat]

This thread is a joke the only people supporting this thread who are not squares likely have a grudge because they got their limits slashed.

If the true line was 2-1 and they had it at 8-1 I may be able to understand this argument but since the line was 20-1 which is clearly a simple mistake of adding one "0" and not a complete alteration of the line anybody supporting this thread either has a grudge against the book because they can not win or because they won too much and got cut off.

[xraygord]

Don't you see the scam? 5Dimes offers prop bets with crazy odds to entice people to bet. Most of these are losers, but when someone does hit, they can quote their rules and say the line was wrong and not pay out. Big time scam.

If you offer a line, pay it. Nuff said.

If you want 5Dimes and Tony to lose that A+ rating, then all those people who have problems with 5Dimes have to complain to SBR. And complaining is not starting a thread, you must fill out the proper form and send it.

[Aristocles]

It seems pointless to try and entice people with 20-1 odds on a solid golfer like the fellow in question here. It seems far more sane to grab some slightly obscure (< talented golfer and very likely not to make even the top 50) golfer who should be at 50-1 and throw him out there 250-1, this might be an enticement and stand the bookie in great stead as to winning bets. A very different situation than here, indeed.

I do not think that 5Dimes was trying to bully, renege, intimidate, whatever this guy. The more I read the less I am convinced that this guy is not a shyster. It appears that your interlocutor points to at least one other case where bet into a bad line.

I notice a few pedantic criticisms leveled at 5Dimes. I do not wish to come across as some nutswinger like a few here do; but I genuinely like the place. I find myself betting with them everyday, based on the event options and the "reduced" option.

[Sawyer]

5Dimes' Reduced Lines are awesome but "Tony" issue (and customer service) makes me anxious about 5D.

[skrtelfan]

If you haven't figured it out yet, if you see a book whose software offers Yes/No options, and one of the options has odds of -99999, that means that this particular bet isn't really being offered as a Yes/No. The -99999 indicates that this "option" isn't really an option. Lots of books offer only "1-way" betting, and when you see a -99999, that is essentially what this bet is.

One can just as easily interpret that as an attempt to get some sucker to bet -99999.

While some people may not realize that the -99999 signifies that this isn't really an option to bet, I think it's safe to say that no one will be dumb enough to bet the -99999.

One might think it would also be safe to say that no book would be dumb enough to leave up odds for 6 days on a top 20 finish that were higher than top 4 and top 8 finish, but apparently 5Dimes is that dumb.

[Shonner]

People saying that the player was wrong to take a shot at the book...whatever, even if the player was trying to F the book, that doesn't give the owner the right to try and screw the player back or trash talk him via chat.

BOOKS/OWNERS are held to HIGHER standards. period. it's not an eye for an eye.

If this guy was really so bad for trying to hit bad lines, they should have tossed him out a while back...LOL...get real 5dimes. shitty ass book.

[skrtelfan]

Whether or not these odds were on a different page, and whether or not the player actually saw them, doesn't change the fact that the 20-1 odds on the bet constituted a "bad line".

It is certainly relevant to Tony's gestapo-like interrogation of the player regarding whether or not it was a "bad line." The idea that the player is responsible for knowing what a "bad line" is in a tiny market is patently ridiculous. It's not like he bet Colts +33 instead of +3 or Yankees +280 vs the Orioles.

[Dirty Sanchez]

This thread is a joke the only people supporting this thread who are not squares likely have a grudge because they got their limits slashed.

If the true line was 2-1 and they had it at 8-1 I may be able to understand this argument but since the line was 20-1 which is clearly a simple mistake of adding one "0" and not a complete alteration of the line anybody supporting this thread either has a grudge against the book because they can not win or because they won too much and got cut off.

Good call Sharp...I agree. This thread was a hatchet job from the outset...and most the people commenting are small time bettors or hacks that don't even have a chip in the game. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...believe about 1% of what you read here as the fakes and frauds run amok.

[sharpcat]

Good call Sharp...I agree. This thread was a hatchet job from the outset...and most the people commenting are small time bettors or hacks that don't even have a chip in the game. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...believe about 1% of what you read here as the fakes and frauds run amok.

Very true but people never come to forums to give praises for anything they come to forums to moan and groan.

Go to a technology forum people never go there and say wow this t.v. is great it does this, this, this, this this, this, this and this. No they go to the forum to say the speakers on this t.v. suck even though it is great at everything else it does.

People come to forums to make noise because they think that they will make a difference but the truth is that they are wasting their time crying on def ears the amount of people who attend forums make up about 10% of the overall audience so if this guy gets 10% of the people here to stop playing at 5dimes who cares because he has only effected about 1% of the books business.

[scott235]

Respectfully, what is a lot worse than complaining and criticizing a book, is the constant defense and praise of these books by the same posters, over and over again... regardless of the situation.

If a book wants my constant praise and adoration, they can pay me to do it. As that is likely not to happen, I doubt that I will ever sit at my computer-drooling with an erection, thinking up my next complimentary post for 5dimes or any other sportsbook.

YOUR BOOKIE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

[sharpcat]

Respectfully, what is a lot worse than complaining and criticizing a book, is the constant defense and praise of these books by the same posters, over and over again... regardless of the situation.

If a book wants my constant praise and adoration, they can pay me to do it. As that is likely not to happen, I doubt that I will ever sit at my computer-drooling with an erection, thinking up my next complimentary post for 5dimes or any other sportsbook.

YOUR BOOKIE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

All of my bookies are my friends and each for different reasons although I admit I am not a very good friend to them in return .

I do understand how you guys who get beat up by your bookies on a daily basis would have a grudge against them. Although it is a pretty cowardly way to fight back on a chat forum it is kind of like telling everybody in school that the bully who keeps beating you up is gay while he is not around to hear you.

Stop getting beat up and start beating them up but fight fair, if you can not win fair than put your head down and walk away.

[scott235]

Why get personal? the point has nothing to do with winning or losing, and btw congrats to you for being a winner. Also, 99% of these threads exist when someone is trying to get a payout, so I don't agree with your point that anyone who is critical is just a sore loser.

[sharpcat]

Why get personal? the point has nothing to do with winning or losing, and btw congrats to you for being a winner. Also, 99% of these threads exist when someone is trying to get a payout, so I don't agree with your point that anyone who is critical is just a sore loser.

What in the world would lead anybody to think we were getting personal

I would not get personal with somebody unless they got personal with me first and you did not get personal with me. Right?

Much like WTF here who resorts to name calling because he has no ground to stand on in a simple debate he just wants to have a childish argument instead of debate the issue at hand. I prefer to stay on topic and therefore will not participate in his childish game.

I think a big issue here is that much like this thread 99% of these book bashing threads come from first time posters who have no credibility amongst the community. Also 99% of these book bashing threads usually consist of players having a hard time with ID verification for cashouts or players not getting paid when taking shots at obvious line errors where the books are following the rules agreed to when the account was opened.

[scott235]

Good, we agree to not insult each other, nor do I know if you are a shill or not. Rest assured, I will look up your posts, make up my own mind, and leave my determination off the forum. Please do the same concerning my posts...I'll make it easy for you- I am and will continue to be an advocate for the players, whether they be newbs, pros, squares or sharps. There are more than enough (advocates) on this forum for the sportsbooks.

I am bored. Sir, the last word is yours. Peace.

[75_Percent]

1) anyone with basic math skills knows that 20-1 odds for top 20 for a guy thats 4-1 to finish top 10 is a bad line
2) but the fact they adjusted the line twice before getting a red flag is very confusing to me how they did not contact you earlier
3) for the fact of #2, you shouldve got your payout because...
4) its not a bettors job to proof read a bookies numbers because...
5) you will lose your bets with no remorse from them as you stated in your experience...not even making the cut AFTER your bet is placed
4) HOWEVER, hedging your bets over hundreds of bets at 10 here 15 there etc. for cashing thousands, is an obvious red flag for books and all the tony's of the world cant wait to bust your balls (i assume in person as opposed to a chat room). IMO, thats disrespecting the book and taking a lot of the edge away from them, which is SMART i like that but DUMB that you did it all at the same book and found yourself in this position. books would not be available for us to milk something out of them from time to time if they didnt have any milk available you know what im saying? they dont want you to win and they damn sure are not going to be happy paying hedge bettors who have found a way to take away THEIR edge.
5) you still shouldve got paid due to the fact of how long the line was 'bad' DURING your play in action
6) be happy you got ANY money because 4-1 for top 10 means top 20 was 2-1 at the BEST

[Dark Horse]

YOUR BOOKIE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

Is that so? Then tell me how I would be able to take your money without a solid bookmaker.

If you know what you're doing bookmakers are your friend. And when there's a book run by, according to SBR John, 'one of only a handful of gamblers kicked out by Pinnacle for beating them', that's even better. (I have not been able to verify that, but that's what the man said.)

Books that are run by former successful gamblers are among the best, because they know the business inside out and know every trick in the book. Is Pinnacle high on customer service? No. They just tell it like it is and don't waste their time on pointless arguments with newbies who don't know the rules. Same with 5D. There are only a few books as solid as 5D, but there remains room for growth, especially where limits are concerned. Even more reason to back them.

This player was treated more than fairly, and every sharp player in this thread knows it. On the flipside, the fact that there are a lot of people who don't know it is, ultimately, good for business. There are those who whine and those who wine and dine. And they're usually not the same people.

[75_Percent]

First!

But seriously this kinda scares me. Have like $500ish over there to win $5.5Kish on my Braves to win the World Series. Would prolly be alrite if they win, but def don't like seeing stories like this.

Hey its a long shot but their in the playoffs! Go Braves! Nice Tommy Hanson throwback

[JohnAnthony]

The ONLY flag here is that Mr Tony the shmuck only discovered this error himself when he realized the crazy jackpot is going to hit.

Damn, and I was thinking on putting a cent there.

[JW Cash]

Dont play at 5 dimes.....but what they did doesnt surprise me....people have been screwing
people since the beginnig of mankind.....