Be careful playing with 5Dimes

[shari91]

Good points Shari. An intelligent well thought out reply that shows there's value in this thread regardless of the 100% negative intent by the OP.

Thanks DH. This thread has hit close to home for me as I've said before because the only reason I signed up for 5Dimes at all was due to its tennis props and there's no way in hell I'd be able to tell you what a good line is for the most part. I can tell you when a tennis line in a one on one match up is soft, but not with a prop to win or place in a tournament. No way. Although I am trying to learn from secret ninja-ing the ThinkTank. In fact, I had an Aussie book actually contact me 7 or 8 weeks ago to advise me that I bet a bad line that was only posted for something like 2 hours on an AFL future 4 months ago before the season started for a team to win the Grand Final (which hasn't taken place yet). The funny thing is that I bet a bad line AGAINST me, at a $1.70 difference and they offered me to take the proper line with the same $ value bet. Friggin sharp bettor I am.

As I said earlier, your suggestion to sticky some of the points in this thread while obviously leaving out the OP's original intent, while also highlighting the standards and agreements SBR has negotiated and detailing which books have consented to abide by them, would go a long way to ensuring that threads like this stay on track and are relevant as everyone would have an easily accessible referral point located at the top of the forum as opposed to everyone just giving their input on what they feel 'should' or 'does' actually happen. Hell, someone could make a bit of a mint writing an "Offshore Gambling for Dummies" book as it seems this is the industry the majority of posters on here are resigned to dealing with because of their physical location and it's quite apparent that there are very few that actually have a clue as to how things work.

[sharpcat]

I think most would conclude that the OP is a shot taker who spent his money before the check was cashed and now even though he knows he took a shot and knew his bet could be voided is upset not because the bet was voided but because it took a few days to void the bet which led him to believe that he got away scott free and he had thought that he successfully had stolen 9k from 5dimes.

He is mad because he got paid 3-1 on a bet that was 2-1 and somehow this qualifies as Tony taking a shot at him looks to me like Tony hooked him up he could have just voided the bet altogether and OP would have gotten $0.

Just because the system corrected the price of the wager on wednesday does not prove that Tony was aware of the bad line nobody has anyway of proving this because nobody knows exactly how their line making procedure is executed. Maybe Tony did know and if he did I do not blame him for taking a shot at a player who hit him for the max on 2 bad numbers, but my guess is that they did not know until the end of the tournament when they began looking at who was getting paid.

I am not a big fan of the erroneous line rule but I understand why it is in place online gambling opens books up to much more traffic than a Vegas book see's making it hard to monitor when 50 players all can hit a bad line for the max within 2 minutes. If you do not like the rule you have 2 options
1) do not play period.
2) do not take shots at bad lines.

Shari,
To answer your question no if you accidentally bet a bad line you will not get the treatment the OP described. What the OP did was a blatant attack he hit the line for half of the max wager and than came back and hit it a second time for the other half of the max in an attempt to camouflage his attack and he also recently hit another bad line. If you are betting $100 per prop and you suddenly hammer a line for $500 and it happens to be a bad line than you are probably going to catch some shit for it.

[wrongturn]

sharpcat, if there are 100 players like shari bet 20-1 with $50, you think 5d will let them stand???

[Dark Horse]

In general, it helps to take screenshots of props. Of the whole menu, not just of the bets. That way a book can't claim a bad line, if you can show that a team or player of similar quality had similar odds.

[sharpcat]

sharpcat, if there are 100 players like shari bet 20-1 with $50, you think 5d will let them stand???

No

They most definately would not let the wager stand they would give the player an option to cancel the bet or take what the true line prior to the error would have been as they did in this situation.

What I am telling Shari is that Tony would not have got shitty with her for betting 10% of the max wager on a bad line, but when a player shows a pattern of hitting bad lines for 5x the amount of their average wager this shows that it is not a square player betting a bad line it is someone who is aware of what they are doing and is taking shots at a bad line. With hundreds of lines offered in a golf tournament the odds of a square hitting 2 bad lines and for 5 times their original wager is comparable to winning the megamillions lotto the OP clearly is a shot taker and was treated as such.

[Extra Innings]

You didn't ask me the question but heah...this thread fvcked up and I feel like typing.

Doubt the line would have stayed 20-1 with 5,000 dollars worth of action. It is beyond me how some of you don't see how this was a bad line....again, the poster playing dumb sealed the case and my opinion for the matter.

[Extra Innings]

In general, it helps to take screenshots of props. Of the whole menu, not just of the bets. That way a book can't claim a bad line, if you can show that a team or player of similar quality had similar odds.

You still don't get it and your one of the "sharp" ones. This guy knows what he was doing and he knew the odds. For Christ's sake....he was reading the guy's twitter.

50-1 (1st place), 8-1 (top 5 finish), 4-1 (top 10 finish) and then he hits a (top 20) @ 20-1 and then jerks the book around when they ask what he thought the fair odds on the line should have been.

It's not an isolated case. Integrity.

[shari91]

No

They most definately would not let the wager stand they would give the player an option to cancel the bet or take what the true line prior to the error would have been as they did in this situation.

What I am telling Shari is that Tony would not have got shitty with her for betting 10% of the max wager on a bad line, but when a player shows a pattern of hitting bad lines for 5x the amount of their average wager this shows that it is not a square player betting a bad line it is someone who is aware of what they are doing and is taking shots at a bad line. With hundreds of lines offered in a golf tournament the odds of a square hitting 2 bad lines and for 5 times their original wager is comparable to winning the megamillions lotto the OP clearly is a shot taker and was treated as such.

Thank you Sharpie.

This was the conclusion I was beginning to draw myself but thought maybe I had just swung too far against the OP and his intent with this thread. As a self-proclaimed square, especially when it would come to props like this, I can say with 100% certainty that even if I had hit it big with one of my regular bets and decided to lay $250 on an a player I had little knowledge about at 20-1 to finish in the top 20, I sure as hell wouldn't even bother checking if the odds had moved in the timeframe after I had made my bet and before the tournament had started. With that being said however, I also probably wouldn't have checked the top 5 or top 10 odds because I'd try to go for the safest options with my fun bet. I especially wouldn't have checked the odds on a longshot to win the whole thing because the chance of me hitting that bet, if my knowledge of golf was limited to just a few weeks of betting until football started as the OP stated, would've ensured that I'd basically pissed that money away barring a miracle. Even with a fun bet I still want to think I at least have a chance of cashing it!

It would've been a bet made purely in fun, with the assumption that I would lose but with the slim hope that maybe the guy would come through for me. On top of that, there's no way I would have hit the line when it started to drop (automatically corrected or not) because I most likely wouldn't have known it even had in the first place. Even if I did notice somehow, I would've just taken it as a good sign that my bet had a good shot of hitting and been done with it, parking my ass in front of the tv for the weekend to cheer him on. If I had bet the line purely for fun that is. Again, this is just my opinion.

[skrtelfan]

A moderator worth his salt could have banned the OP long ago. He had already told his story, so that would not have been lost.

The criticism that was voiced has been addressed. There is nothing more to add. This thread, not only through the above illustration, is an example of horrendous moderation by SBR. This is what you get when you don't moderate. A total mess. The behavior in this thread towards 5Dimes has been disgraceful. It has not reflected on 5D, which is a fine book that applied the rules correctly, but is an example of the hungry mob mentality. A pack of hyenas crying in the night.

Any moderator worth his salt would have banned you years ago for gross stupidity.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

I have to disagree with you here. While I stated earlier that it somewhat bothers me that the OP didn't make clear in his first post that SBR had already stepped in and resolved the issue - favourably as far as the line was concerned - on his behalf, this thread has brought up many things about the offshore industry of which someone like myself wasn't previously aware. There are long-term posters whose opinion I personally respect on opposite sides of this issue which leads me to conclude that if things aren't always so clear-cut when dealing with a top-rated SBR book, then I can only imagine what goes on with the lower rated ones.

And it is very easy to determine the difference between the people who have read every post in this thread and those who read the first one and then post a comment. Anyone who truly is interested in this topic will have taken the time to read the whole thing and not merely post something either for or against Tony and the book itself which doesn't address the facts as they take place.

I'm not sure how SBR could've handled it better in my opinion. They got involved with the OP's issue and helped him to resolve it. If they had closed this thread when you deemed it past its used by date then there would've been facts about the OP's original complaint and the offshore industry itself that would've been completely passed by. On top of that, they would've been bashed for perceived censorship because 5Dimes is a major sponsor of this forum.

For what it's worth, if this thread hadn't have continued my opinion on Tony and the book itself would have been 100% negative. Upon learning that the OP was assisted by SBR based on an agreement with the book and that the OP was paid out at a higher line than someone else who placed the same bet, my feelings have softened somewhat. That being said however, I'm still not comfortable with the fact that I could easily see myself innocently in the same position as the OP because I wanted to leave my balance with a round number for the week (a weird quirk of mine) and decided to throw some money down on the prop. It's not pleasant that the OP wasn't contacted until the Sunday, especially when we now definitively know the line was corrected at least 4 days before then. And beyond all of that, I still stick with my original assertion that Tony needs to find a way to separate his personal feelings from that of being a book owner. I guess I've been spoiled - I went from dealing with locals in North America to Euro books when living in Europe and Aussie books obviously now that I currently live here. Not only could I not even fathom this situation playing out for me like it has for the OP, whether he's a shot taker or not, but I definitely could not even imagine my reaction if A. a book owner jumped on Chat and B. spoke to me as I've seen Tony do in countless examples on this forum.

No issue was resolved by outside sources. Tony adjusted the line from 20-1 to 15-1 down to 3-1 in Chat. It is all there. Nothing else was done. They have a right to void/modify wagers. That is what Tony said. That is what their terms of conditions said.

They watched by bet all weekend and when it looked like a 99 percent cinch they decided to let me know. After I rifled the rest of the account into the next PGA week and lost I tried to forget about it. No threats were made to anyone and no demands were made for money.

Anyone who follows this thread can see that no demands were made. This is a sports forum and bettors have a right to know about how I was treated. That is the MAIN ISSUE.

This is not a case of where I could be offered money to take down this thread (not that I could take down the thread). All I did was tell the story about how the events played out. It was not COOL, even if it was a bad line. I did not take a shot, but since they ASSUMED I took a shot they KNOWINGLY took one at me.

Draw your own conclusions. I also have no idea what Dark Horse is talking about as far as having a dispute with him. The only thing I can possibly think of is that one day he will be on the wrong side of something like this and I will remind him of this thread. I don't even remember directing that line of thinking towards him, anyways. I got a PM form Willie Bee saying to take e battle somewhere else....hell, I thought he was talking about this thread....lol......I have no idea what dispute Dark Horse is talking about. What a joke.

I don't make personal threats on forums....please.

[nyplayer33]

enough with this topic already....it's like talking about superbowl that was played in Feb in May....enough

[Chuck Sims]

jjgold, It pains me to tell you this: You look ridiculous with that shamwow mop on top of your egg shell.

Get rid of it for the love of god.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

I will say that aside from my problems that I loved playing golf props at 5Dimes this summer. I won't play there again, but betting that stuff is fun. I was so flustered after the Watney fiasco that I blew my whole 5Dimes account (just under $5,700) on the next weeks PGA events. The regular PGA, the Seniors, and the Womens. I planned on cashing out immediately but the dispute was being looked at and it took a few days.

So, Tony made out fine (but for the bad PR). All the guys I bet came back to win within a week or two so he would have lost. Who wants my 18 SBR points? First person to post that they want them gets them.

[tltaylor89]

I want those points

[BewareOf5Dimes]

You got-em.

[DBurton81]

DarkHorse....you are a clueless idiot! Always backing 5Dimes and bashing OP's and moderators. Get a clue!

[Extra Innings]

I want those points

taylor

[relaaxx]

got an email from 5dimes for upcoming golf -- many options,many props,many this, many that. no mention of changing odds after your bet is a sure winner. bewareof5dimes thanks for sharing your experience. that is what the forum is about. i will make my own decisions about different sites thanks to people like you. before this thread i already new about tony. but thanks for sharing.

[BetterBizness]

Thank you Sharpie.

This was the conclusion I was beginning to draw myself but thought maybe I had just swung too far against the OP and his intent with this thread. As a self-proclaimed square, especially when it would come to props like this, I can say with 100% certainty that even if I had hit it big with one of my regular bets and decided to lay $250 on an a player I had little knowledge about at 20-1 to finish in the top 20, I sure as hell wouldn't even bother checking if the odds had moved in the timeframe after I had made my bet and before the tournament had started. With that being said however, I also probably wouldn't have checked the top 5 or top 10 odds because I'd try to go for the safest options with my fun bet. I especially wouldn't have checked the odds on a longshot to win the whole thing because the chance of me hitting that bet, if my knowledge of golf was limited to just a few weeks of betting until football started as the OP stated, would've ensured that I'd basically pissed that money away barring a miracle. Even with a fun bet I still want to think I at least have a chance of cashing it!

It would've been a bet made purely in fun, with the assumption that I would lose but with the slim hope that maybe the guy would come through for me. On top of that, there's no way I would have hit the line when it started to drop (automatically corrected or not) because I most likely wouldn't have known it even had in the first place. Even if I did notice somehow, I would've just taken it as a good sign that my bet had a good shot of hitting and been done with it, parking my ass in front of the tv for the weekend to cheer him on. If I had bet the line purely for fun that is. Again, this is just my opinion.

This post is the clear difference between the squares and the sharps... I, as a square, would be in the exact same situation... Looking for value.. as I do in Championship Futures... I bet a few weeks ago an 80-1 line in the CFL for a couple of teams, in an 8 team league in which 6 make the playoffs... One of the has shown signs of strength and has since become bet 15-20 -1... Obviously we're not talking the same thing here, but I liked my bet... 80-1, if they put 800-1 I probably would have thought twice about it... or is that the point? Had I bet it, without understanding what "shot-taking" is... does that make me a "shot-taker?"

I think the sharps in here supporting 5D, to which I have also softened my stance on, are ALSO in the pack mentality of being "smart"... You all think "smart"... I believe OP has put way too much effort in revenge, and name calling, to which I somewhat understand.. If Tony talked to me like that, I'd probably be here stirring up sheit as well... But I believe him so as far as seeing a line and hitting it... Call it shot taking... call it whatever you want.. The Square doesn't think like you Sharps and you literally forgot that you all started that way...

Lets face it, a Sharp would likely NOT EVER get caught "Shot-Taking" for exactly the same reasons you already know... They will see it, they will reverse it, they will free-roll it...

THAT's the big thing in the latter part of this thread I'm seeing...I think the issue has clearly been resolved... Relatively fairly based on Culture... Clearly NOT based on ANY sort of standard (Euro vs Aussie vs US)... and these are some of the issues that have come out of this which are important to me personally as someone trying to become a better sports wagerer...

[LVHerbie]

Criticism? Deflect away, DH. All I did was tell the rest of the story. I fail to understand how asking you and the other poster to take your silly, childish e-fight to the Private Zone was somehow a smart remark directed solely at you.

But then, as I told you before, if this is now funny to you and, as you said, I've "brought a smile" into your world, then it's not a total loss. Consider it repayment for a year or two ago when you brought laughs to the office for volunteering to make The Prick's picks for a slice of the action. Best of luck to you.

Man, WB, you are always dangling carrots in front of us donkeys as an incentive to return to golden threads...

Personally I didn't know such a position was available at SBR... Is it still open? Regardless I'm faxing my resume tomorrow as I'm way more qualified then Dark Horse...

(Willie did you catch how my high level of narcissism didn't require me to acknowledge the existence of The Prick but then required me to point out the obvious through this add-on?) WB, I'm clearly the real McCoy and the man for this job!

[LVHerbie]

Man, WB, you are always dangling carrots in front of us donkeys as an incentive to return to golden threads...

Personally I didn't know such a position was available at SBR... Is it still open? Regardless I'm faxing my resume tomorrow as I'm way more qualified then Dark Horse...

(Willie did you catch how my high level of narcissism didn't require me to acknowledge the existence of The Prick but then required me to point out the obvious through this add-on?) WB, I'm clearly the real McCoy and the man for this job!

Willie, **** it... I'm scared this position (my dream job) might be filled before I can prepare a legit resume and find a fax so I'm just going to apply in this thread...

Taking my resume from a thread a couple years back where I inquired about being an intern for JJ as the only thing that really needs to be updated is that I have (most likely at this point...) dropped out of college 1-2 courses short of getting my degree in Education...

<< '97-'99 Worked in a fish restaurant while in high school... Work Skills Acquired: Can now deep fry just about everything that doesn't move... Quit to move on to bigger and better things...
'99-'01 Overnight cashier at local grocery store... Job Description - Watched alot of college kids stanch and grab beer... Read up on all major variety/tabloid mags on weekly/monthly basis... Fired over minor drug related incident...
'01-'05 - Served in Military - Job Description - ~15 minutes to raise large over-sized antenna , ~10 minutes to flip a couple power switches, ~2 weeks to six months of reading books, watching movies, and sleeping appr. 12 hours daily in equipment shelter while waiting for instructions to move the above antenna and shelter to a different location...
'05 - to present - successful unemployed...

education -

1994-1998 - attended and graduated high school with with slightly above average grades and slightly above average test scores
1999 - to present - attended State University off and on with slightly above average grades... appr. 115 hours... Major: Undecided... >>

I also offer this story up as proof my exceptionally high level of narcissism... When I was dating my ex-wife I offered to let her draw me a tattoo that I would get blindly (ie without seeing it)... She came up with the picture below which is a dissected Narcissus flower...

As you can see I'm clearly way more qualified to assist The Prick in making his picks then the other applicant... WB you got my number so I'll just wait on your call...

[Dark Horse]

Nice of you to catch that, Herbie. If you were referring to a golden oldie, there was no such thread. This is a 'moderator' who pulls stuff from other people's pm's and throws it into the public forum. lol It's taken twelve years on internet forums, but I think I finally may have seen it all. I have to admit it made me wonder what out-of-control Willie could do if he gets his hands on those sportsbook account numbers we trust SBR with. A serious concern, but I'm sure he'll find a way to hold himself unaccountable.

[nobs]

I was thinking about offering the Board the chance to bet on who will win the AFC EAST. Here are the odds.

PATRIOTS + 9500
DOLPHINS + 9800
BILLS + 99999
JETS + 9750

Now I would say with these great odds you should all bet like 10K on each play. ( I reserve the right to wait until week 17 and then adjust the price on whichever team is going to win the division) ( but I will keep the 10K you bet on the 3 losers )

[Extra Innings]

Nice of you to catch that, Herbie. If you were referring to a golden oldie, there was no such thread. This is a 'moderator' who pulls stuff from other people's pm's and throws it into the public forum. lol It's taken twelve years on internet forums, but I think I finally may have seen it all. I have to admit it made me wonder what out-of-control Willie could do if he gets his hands on those sportsbook account numbers we trust SBR with. A serious concern, but I'm sure he'll find a way to hold himself unaccountable.

Have you ever met Willie Bee....couldn't be more off-based with those comments.

[Dark Horse]

Actions speak louder than words. I'm sure he's nice with nothing on the line. But put the slightest little pressure on him ... Do I trust him with my info? No.

[LVHerbie]

DH, I have no problems with Willy or you (I would also agree with Extra Innings and say that the few times I've meet him in person or dealt with him on here he seemed like the straight up kind of guy)... I just thought I would make a contribution to a thread that clearly was derailed a long time ago...

As we are probably only one of a hand full to have taken the time to read the whole thread I'm sure we both could agree that nothing is likely to change (at this point) and it probably best for all parties to move on...

And, personally, this is actually what I was attempting to do before I learned that SBR was looking for an hard core egoist as an assistant for the prick...

[Extra Innings]

DH, I have no problems with Willy or you (I would also agree with Extra Innings and say that the few times I've meet him in person or dealt with him on here he seemed like the straight up kind of guy)... I just thought I would make a contribution to a thread that clearly was derailed a long time ago...

As we are probably only one of a hand full to have taken the time to read the whole thread I'm sure we both could agree that nothing is likely to change (at this point) and it probably best for all parties to move on...

And, personally, this is actually what I was attempting to do before I learned that SBR was looking for an hard core egoist as an assistant for the prick...

That's a crazy ass tattoo....god bless you

[MonkeyF0cker]

DH,

Stop crying.

Thanks,
Monkey

[Redchevy]

theres nothing that i can add to this that Darkhorse and Durito dont explain, but ill give my take...

hey shari, hope you are doing well babe!

okay, there are a few things that are obvious...
1. the guy bets a ton of golf and knows what he is doing...he follows it and appears to be better than avg. at golf props...
2. he took an unreal shot at a shit line on paul casey..he knows he did it and anyone who bets golf knows he did it.. nobody cares about someones twitter and he doesnt have a say in this argument...an obvious shot at the book here and a red flag should be raised on this player at this point...

3. he studies golf and made it a point to say that he did a good amount of research on Watney....so there is no doubt that he knew what the odds were on watney at every level... to win, top 5, top 10 and therefore its beyond obvious that he knew the "top 20" odds were bad...the guy knows golf and how to bet it and knows good and well that the higher the range of finish the lower the odds...cmon man...he said it himself that he looked over all the info on Watney and the guy bets a ton of golf, so he knows exactly what he is doing and knew he was taking another big shot at the books bad line...
to win was 50/1
Tony: top 5 was 8/1
Tony: top 10 was 4/1
Tony: and what price do you think top 20 should have been?
... tony said everything that needed to be said right here...

dont sit there and tell someone that you make tons of golf bets and dont realize the 20/1 odds here are fukked when you are studying a player...plaaeeeeessseee just dont do it...you look stupid.

4. odds on props are adjusted by the software when the max bet is made...anyone who plays props should know this and if you dont, well then read the rules or learn a lesson.. 20-1 was a really bad line and the software was simply moving the prop for the specific player when the players max was reached...if you didnt know it worked this way, now you do...tony could have mentioned this though and it might have made things a bit easier to stomach, his fault for not bringing it up...

. the book obv. looked at all bets on watney (and those near the lead) till after day 3 so that they could get an idea of the hit they might take...this is normal... they really have no real reason to check tournament props till after day 3...

my take on this story... sorry dude, but you took shots at this book...if you didnt have but a few golf bets on record, i can understand the mistake, but you heavily bet golf and you knew , beyond a shadow of doubt, that the lines were bad and you still played them... like i said before, the flag was raised on you with the Casey bet.

tony can be a huge prick...he will tell you that, but in this case, he is correct... if he gave you the 2/1 winnings, then you are lucky and should thank him for doing it... many places would have voided the bet after the tournament and taken your money if the bet lost.

Bullshit!! The book posted, the player played. If the books management is too stupid to realize they had a bad line "Their Problem", pay the guy, plain and simple!!! What kind of half ass, bullshit Book are you guys? "Man Up", don't you guys make enough money????

[Redchevy]

I have a few friends heavy in 5Ds, I'm sure they be shutting down after reading this thread. You guys are BS!!!!!!!

[raydog]

the guy got paid son and he got paid more than he should...no, he didnt get paid the 20/1 but theres no reason why he should have...i think he is lucky to get a dime...fukk this chump for trying to steal from the book... read the rules there redchevy...it was a bad line and the book has the right to change it as they wish...you dont like the rules that them and virtually every offshore book use, play with a local... what is bullshit is that a guy tried to steal ... your so called buddies who are heavy there, are heavy there for a reason ...they dont try to cheat and steal from the book and their money is safe...

[Grandmaster B]

I want those points

damn you're still begging I see

once a moocher always a moocher

your parents have cut you off I assume?

[sharpcat]

Bullshit!! The book posted, the player played. If the books management is too stupid to realize they had a bad line "Their Problem", pay the guy, plain and simple!!! What kind of half ass, bullshit Book are you guys? "Man Up", don't you guys make enough money????

Read the rules all books do this it is an industry standard if you do not like it move to vegas

The Greek: The Greek Sportsbook reserves the right to refuse or limit any wager. This may include, but not limited to past-posted plays, obvious line errors, or exceeded bet limit amounts.

Bookmaker: 24. In the case of an obvious error on the posted line, scheduled time, or maximum wager, any wagers will be deemed a "no action" wager, and all money will be credited accordingly.

Bet Jamaica: BetJamaica reserves the right to refuse or limit any wager. This may include, but not limited to past posted plays, obvious line errors, or exceeded bet limit amounts.

5Dimes: 5Dimes reserves the right to correct grading errors at any time. Incorrect payouts due to grading/software error and any additional earnings from those payouts are subject to voiding/forfeiture.

Betonline: BetOnline cannot be held responsible for any computer, typing or human error when posting odds, lines or point spreads. However, in the case of obvious mechanical, technical or human error in the prices or conditions we publish, we reserve the right, at our discretion, to correct obvious errors and to No-Action your wager.

Read the rules before you play people

[Redchevy]

the guy got paid son and he got paid more than he should...no, he didnt get paid the 20/1 but theres no reason why he should have...i think he is lucky to get a dime...fukk this chump for trying to steal from the book... read the rules there redchevy...it was a bad line and the book has the right to change it as they wish...you dont like the rules that them and virtually every offshore book use, play with a local... what is bullshit is that a guy tried to steal ... your so called buddies who are heavy there, are heavy there for a reason ...they dont try to cheat and steal from the book and their money is safe...

Bullshit, if you're a real book and have a staff with half a brain, watch your lines. Isn't that your job in the first place? Since when is it acceptable to change the rules midstream when you're on the hook for a large payout? The book took the initial bet, then adjusted it twice. If you want credibility, "Pay the Man Accordingly", not some BS after the fact payout!!! I also love the words "Cheat and Steal", from a multi-million dollar book, isn't that what Books do daily from their customers? You speak like he won the money from your front pocket???? Are you the book or just the ignorant lackey?????

[sharpcat]

Bullshit, if you're a real book and have a staff with half a brain, watch your lines. Isn't that your job in the first place? Since when is it acceptable to change the rules midstream when you're on the hook for a large payout? The book took the initial bet, then adjusted it twice. If you want credibility, "Pay the Man Accordingly", not some BS after the fact payout!!! I also love the words "Cheat and Steal", from a multi-million dollar book, isn't that what Books do daily from their customers? You speak like he won the money from your front pocket???? Are you the book or just the ignorant lackey?????

Rules from several of the top books in the industry are 1 post above you.

Books do not cheat they offer entertainment if you are not smart enough to know that all forms of gambling offer the house in the range of a 5% advantage over you (hence the $110 to win $100 lines) you and your friends should pull your funds from the book and stop betting period.

You are as square as they come and books love guys like you if you have not even took time to read the rules than you surely will never have a chance at ever profiting from gambling

The rule was there for you to read before you even deposited do not blame the book.