WARNING To Canadians About Rebate Wager: Problems With Withdrawals

[forsberg21]

Blackie, about the issue with depositing with US or Canadian dollars, it was a matter of misinterpretation, and the issue is actually completely irrelevant to the main issue here.

To clarify this, even though its relevance here is insignificant, I did deposit with CDN Dollars, then ultimately, my CDN Dollar deposit showed up as USD is my account, and this is why I said I deposited with USD Dollars.

From the chat, I'm sure most people agree that I was rather civil with both David and Blackie. If I was rude, or a prick, please highlight those sections for me.

I'm going to continue to point out that I have not made a single lie in this thread regarding my experience. You can see this from the chat that my story and what was written is absolutely consistent. I have no reason to lie here, I just want to share my experience with the rest of the forum, especially Canadians.

[forsberg21]

Ah what?

MB delays only happen because shit books don't keep their MB accounts funded and have to wait for player deposits to payout.

Pinny (and other good books) process MB withdrawals in a matter of minutes every single time (a few hours if you want something like 50k).

This is the absolute truth.

[pokernut9999]

I bumped about 3 threads on Moneybookers to show about delays.

I guess I made all those threads up.

[JohnnyC]

Standard for shite books to blame Moneybookers

[durito]

I bumped about 3 threads on Moneybookers to show about delays.

I guess I made all those threads up.

You aren't following. MB has nothing to do with any of that.

WSEX claimed "technical problems with MB account" for months. Funny pinny never has any problems. They actually just don't have any money.

[BLACKIE]

You aren't following. MB has nothing to do with any of that.

WSEX claimed "technical problems with MB account" for months. Funny pinny never has any problems. They actually just don't have any money.

Durito,

I got $5,000 that says money bookers restricts the amount of money that can be processed by US facing books. Pinnacle dosent take on US business that's why they don't have this problem. Since you know the workings of money bookers it's an easy 5k for you I'll put up a prop for you on my site and all you got to do is send 5k and make the bet. Well use the emails from money bookers to decide the winner on this bet.

[durito]

Durito,

I got $5,000 that says money bookers restricts the amount of money that can be processed by US facing books. Pinnacle dosent take on US business that's why they don't have this problem. Since you know the workings of money bookers it's an easy 5k for you I'll put up a prop for you on my site and all you got to do is send 5k and make the bet. Well use the emails from money bookers to decide the winner on this bet.

They restrict every account until you provide proper paperwork.

Bookmaker/Greek have no such issues.

[BLACKIE]

I don't know the workings of bookmaker or the Greek. What I know is my personal experience. We set up an account we funded that account and then the account was froze pending further review. When the account was reopened restrictions were placed on the amount of money we could process every month. I'm not comfortable with that. I can send them 50k tomorrow and they will still limit my account. If you dont thinks so then take the bet.

[BLACKIE]

I'm going to dinner now but I'll leave you with one last ? How many other US facing books guarantee $2500 next day debit card pay outs $5,000 a week certified check pay outs and 10k a week bank wires? List them in this thread please.

[chilidog]

hey blackie, do you let U.S. citizens that live in costa rica bet at rebatewager?

[durito]

I don't know the workings of bookmaker or the Greek. What I know is my personal experience. We set up an account we funded that account and then the account was froze pending further review. When the account was reopened restrictions were placed on the amount of money we could process every month. I'm not comfortable with that. I can send them 50k tomorrow and they will still limit my account. If you dont thinks so then take the bet.

I have no knowledge of MoneyBookers procedures for sportsbooks nor your book. My account limits were increased gradually based on documentation, eventually you get pro-gambler and unlimited.

You really want to bet me about documents that you have that I've never seen?

I'm going to dinner now but I'll leave you with one last ? How many other US facing books guarantee $2500 next day debit card pay outs $5,000 a week certified check pay outs and 10k a week bank wires? List them in this thread please.

I don't recall even saying anything about your book in this thread other than telling the OP he has nothing to complain about. You don't take MB, so I don't see what exactly it is that you have issue with what I've said.

It's quite certain that broke books like WSEX blame shit on places like MB when really they are just broke.

[increasedodds]

Find a new bank.

If my bank held checks from Mars more than a week they would not be my bank anymore.

In truth, my bank tends to credit everything immediately.

[trumpdown]

If you needed the funds that badly you should've elected the border run. The fee from the same bank would have been very minimal + gas + time, but chalk it up as a business expense and move on.

[csm506]

That is pretty crappy I hope this works out for you and everyone else.

[forsberg21]

If you needed the funds that badly you should've elected the border run. The fee from the same bank would have been very minimal + gas + time, but chalk it up as a business expense and move on.

Alright here's the scenario with that one:

4 hours total driving in ideal conditions (no traffic)
Add on whatever time is spent at the border
- This could cause serious problems
- Those border agents grill you in regards to why you're coming over
- If I tell them that I'm cashing $5000 in money orders at their ** to avoid fees, they won't buy it, think I'm a drug mover, detain and interrogate me

On top of all this, I'm not well versed with how check cashing shops are in the US. If I take a ** money order to a ** outlet, will they charge any fees to get it cashed? If the answer is yet, tack that onto the problems I just listed.

[dimon]

man, it is not RW problem, really...all know deposits come in easy, and most of the time free, for withdrawal you have to PAY, simple as that...you live in canada and play at RW, not sure about your reasons, but you have the option to play at Pinnacle, and may I ask why you don't play threre?

[rook]

The man is totally right, more options to withdraw money, the better for us, after hearing this, i who live in Romania, how long will it take for me to cash out..

[Peep]

I don't even like rebate wager, but they are certainly blameless here. All they did was pay, and pay fast.

[DeeWizzle]

I have encountered an unusual and unfortunate situation with RW recently. I would not like to get into specifics but I will say that an episode that could have been a complete disaster for the both of us is being resolved due to understanding and patience in both parities involved. I requested help from SBR in this matter and they have been nothing short of amazing. I would like to thank both SBR and RebateWager for their efforts in resolving this matter as soon as possible. I could have easily started negative threads ( as many do ) the moment this issue arose, but chose to take the high road and give the benefit of the doubt to RebateWager in resolving this issue, ( just as they gave me the benefit of the doubt). I will admit that when things got serious I was very concerned about what the outcome would be, but I for one will admit that both SBR and RebateWager has its players interest at the top of their list. I would like to personally thank the entire RW staff and both SBR John and Lou for their efforts.

[Mudcat]

Rebatewager had Moneybookers when I played there. They had just implemented it and were experiencing growing pains - as many do at MB, players and books alike. it took a couple weeks for my payout.

Not that I was squawking all over the forums. I was waiting patiently. I wouldn't have said a thing but there were a lot of shill threads at the time so I did mention my situation in one of them. This upset the apple cart at RW a bit. Their shilling activities were/are largely focused on fast payouts. My situation was not in harmony.

Unfortunately, rather than working through their issues with Moneybookers as so many books have been able to do, they just dropped it.

[BLACKIE]

Mudcat,

As I recall you were also given an alternative pay put option that would have gotten your funds to you in the time frames that we promise and at a much higher fee to us. The bottom line is this the player in this thread asked for a check payout and that's what he got. If he took the time to ask us about this process then we would have given him another option on his payout. A bank wire but he did not. Moneyorders aren't as easy as checks to cancel or replace that's why we couldn't reverse them once they were sent out.

As far as money bookers they limit monthly transactions and I can't work with that. As a growing business we will always need to move more money and I won't be one of those shops that takes your money within minutes using a processing method and uses excuse going out, even if those excuses are justified. Bottom line is this our banking methods are published for everyone to see and it should be a players responsibility to investigate and questions those before making a deposit to see if they suit their needs not cry foul after the fact.

[trumpdown]

Alright here's the scenario with that one:

4 hours total driving in ideal conditions (no traffic)
Add on whatever time is spent at the border
- This could cause serious problems
- Those border agents grill you in regards to why you're coming over
- If I tell them that I'm cashing $5000 in money orders at their ** to avoid fees, they won't buy it, think I'm a drug mover, detain and interrogate me

On top of all this, I'm not well versed with how check cashing shops are in the US. If I take a ** money order to a ** outlet, will they charge any fees to get it cashed? If the answer is yet, tack that onto the problems I just listed.

Time = $$$ this would cost the most.

When questioned at border tell them you're going to the bank! This should be sufficient.

Ultimately I guess there isn't a need to have a bank in the US since you have access to all book processors and can use a wire option next time + option of US dollar account in Canada.

[forsberg21]

Time = $$$ this would cost the most. When questioned at border tell them you're going to the bank! This should be sufficient. Ultimately I guess there isn't a need to have a bank in the US since you have access to all book processors and can use a wire option next time + option of US dollar account in Canada.

LOL, you've probably never crossed the border before. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo91XS5pVj8

If border guards like these just disappeared all of a sudden, the world would be a better place.

It wouldn't even be worth dealing with this scum of the earth to get those ** money orders cashed.

[trumpdown]

Surprisingly, I've crossed the border for this very reason several times with situations reversed. I have sent wires in person from my Canadian bank and had to drive over. Unlike a couple US banks you can't send wires online in Canada, especially newer accounts can't even fax the info without manager approval. Look I've done this many many times, perhaps because I was with my lady they never question me other than why I am there. If you look nervous, don't look them in the eye, stumble your words etc..etc.. you will be searched and questioned further.

Either way you don't need US banks and Americano's need Canadian banks for easier processing when applicable.

[RudyRuetigger]

id say this is a good heads up for canadians when withdrawing from rebate wager, but it should not be a negative mark on rebatewager

[forsberg21]

id say this is a good heads up for canadians when withdrawing from rebate wager, but it should not be a negative mark on rebatewager

Exactly, I have nothing against the book itself, I justed wanted to warn Canadians about the problems I faced when withdrawing money. It's too bad that a lot of people on this board failed to see my point.

[konvicted]

oh shit.......... !! its gonna hurt me too

[forsberg21]

Surprisingly, I've crossed the border for this very reason several times with situations reversed. I have sent wires in person from my Canadian bank and had to drive over. Unlike a couple US banks you can't send wires online in Canada, especially newer accounts can't even fax the info without manager approval. Look I've done this many many times, perhaps because I was with my lady they never question me other than why I am there. If you look nervous, don't look them in the eye, stumble your words etc..etc.. you will be searched and questioned further. Either way you don't need US banks and Americano's need Canadian banks for easier processing when applicable.

But you are American, right?

There is a GIGANTIC world of difference if you are an American going into Canada and then returning to the US vs. if you are Canadian going into the US and returning to Canada. Whenever I return to Canada, the Canadian border guards don't hassle me at all. They just asked how my stay was and that's it. Once, my buddies and I were coming back and the border guard asked us if we were bringing anything back. We said we had some fireworks (the powerful ones you can't buy in Canada) and he told us to have fun with those. I'm not sure what kind of experience Americans have going into Canada, but the difference is night and day depending on what country you are a citizen of.

[durito]

Just get a better bank or a better relationship with your bank.

[shari91]

Just get a better bank or a better relationship with your bank.

I've sent money orders home to be deposited to my Bank of Montreal account several times during the past 5-6 years as a means of getting cash back to Canada when bank wires weren't ideal for me personally because of the virtual paper trail involved. I've honestly never encountered a 30 day hold or any hold for that matter beyond 48 hours with the exception of one time where the money order was quite large and I didn't have the equivalent dollar amount in my bank account at the time of deposit. If I remember correctly there was close to $1000 disparity between the two but once my mother deposited the difference into my account, the held funds were released.

I believe this is more of a banking issue for you personally and I really can't see how RW's in the wrong at all here, especially after how they treated you with your initial deposit. Canadians can easily receive a bank wire and avoid this hassle altogether so maybe the title of this thread should've referred to 'potential problems with cashing money orders?' Anyway, best of luck with it all. I can only imagine how disappointing it must feel to have your money so close yet so far, especially when you happen to really need it at the time.

[trumpdown]

I was referring to the opposite as an Americano dealing with Canuck border patrol.

[-105]

Just get a better bank or a better relationship with your bank.

100% this, my bank manager reverses the wire charges his bank charges me ( i save 14$ everytime) and I don't have hold's on things anymore. 12 months ago this was not the case, bastards wouldn't even cash a check for me over 1k without having to wait who knows how long. Just become friendly with them and you will be amazed how much easier life is.

*I went through bankruptcy a couple years ago, so this is my post bankruptcy relationship with a new bank that I didn't screw over pre bankruptcy.

[me-first]

Why are people blasting Rebate Wager here?? Save it for when they deserve it, I'm sure the time will come again. Actually, I shouldn't say that, I never played there and know very little about their operation..The only thing I got out of this thread though, is that Rebate Wager seems to pay fast..

[gags]

wtf, this "Blackie" seems like a real prick, def. wont be dealing with Rebate Wager and I will be warning everyone I know not to deposit a cent into this unprofessional mediocre book. For anyone not in America, put your money in Betfair now.

Gawd absolutely...Betfair is the way to go.

[forsberg21]

Gawd absolutely...Betfair is the way to go.

Betfair would bet immaculate if it weren't for those commissions... still, an outstanding choice, and regulated by British authorities which means you don't have to deal with some of these Mickey Mouse offshore books run off some island.