BetCruise and Betliner

[vivanorge]

Sorry about possible misinformation.
Yes there are interest on balances.

However there are 10% fee on withdrawel.
Not sure how the 10% is calculated. But are sending e-mail today.

If the sum on the fee-calculator are correct there may be a quite hefty fee.

[GamblingPancake]

First withdrawal (under €500) to Moneybookers.
Money received within 4 hours.

Interest about "level out" commission.

that sounds actually really nice, maybe i should "reallocate" some of my gambling-funds

[GamblingPancake]

soooo, after looking through some other forums, i found the site (betliner) to appear somewhat legit i already placed some bets there and everything went okay.

still curious about the interest thing. already got some in my acc., but haven´t tried any cashout yet. i´ll let you know, if anything unusual happens :P

[geist]

Sorry about possible misinformation.
Yes there are interest on balances.

However there are 10% fee on withdrawel.
Not sure how the 10% is calculated. But are sending e-mail today.

If the sum on the fee-calculator are correct there may be a quite hefty fee.

Don't misquote the site, please. It is only applicable to when you play zero house edge version of each games i.e. roulette, baccarat, BJ, etc. It is the only way to collect vig on them.

Games with the normal E.V. towards the house has NO 10% withdrawal fee. You have the luxury of deciding which path to take. And don't worry, they have real time auditing to let you know every wager you make and what specific games you played for the last month or so, so you know exactly which wagers are taxed the 10% and which are not based on your game selection. You basically have a game log from start to finish for any game you've chosen in the past 30 days for smooth hands-on bookkeeping.

The wagering scale is as wide, if not the widest, online from 1 cent to 500/1000 dollars.

They are basically going all out to give potential customer base the most attractive options they could viably come up with.

Not to mention they are the first ever to implement the universally used real time SHA-algorithm to authenticate every outcome/decision of a game before it is even played! Going one extra step to further quelch any misconceptions of widespread RNG rigging/manipulation online. Just go to the site and read up on it. You basically audit their RNG in real time versus just going by their word/certifications.

This operation should be the standard from now on and not the exception. If they had the financings of a Greek/Bookmaker/Pinnacle, I know for a fact they would give them a run for their money, period.

[GamblingPancake]

Don't misquote the site, please. It is only applicable to when you play zero house edge version of each games i.e. roulette, baccarat, BJ, etc. It is the only way to collect vig on them.

Games with the normal E.V. towards the house has NO 10% withdrawal fee. You have the luxury of deciding which path to take. And don't worry, they have real time auditing to let you know every wager you make and what specific games you played for the last month or so, so you know exactly which wagers are taxed the 10% and which are not based on your game selection. You basically have a game log from start to finish for any game you've chosen in the past 30 days for smooth hands-on bookkeeping.

The wagering scale is as wide, if not the widest, online from 1 cent to 500/1000 dollars.

They are basically going all out to give potential customer base the most attractive options they could viably come up with.

Not to mention they are the first ever to implement the universally used real time SHA-algorithm to authenticate every outcome/decision of a game before it is even played! Going one extra step to further quelch any misconceptions of widespread RNG rigging/manipulation online. Just go to the site and read up on it. You basically audit their RNG in real time versus just going by their word/certifications.

This operation should be the standard from now on and not the exception. If they had the financings of a Greek/Bookmaker/Pinnacle, I know for a fact they would give them a run for their money, period.

just wanted to confirm that. games WITH house edge DO NOT charge any fee on cashout. and about the thing with the RNG: that should indeed be standard in the industry, hope to see other sites in the future implement something like that.

[Weener]

good to know

after all i read here, just gave it a try last weekend, and what can i say? seems to be legit, range of offers is good, software is fast and cashouts don´t take very long. not the best, but def. NOT the worst either
a little promotion/advertising could work miracles for their traffic i guess

[noyb]

a little promotion/advertising could work miracles for their traffic i guess

good thing they have got their little army of shills standing ready to take care of that

[geist]

good thing they have got their little army of shills standing ready to take care of that

If you fail to read between the lines then don't post. Have I mentioned anything at all that's the least bit anecdotal? I stated all facts. You can go on the site and validate it.

The site is all about transparency. A bit of an Oxymoron for a shill to promote this site, isn't it? You are missing the point; I am the antithesis of a shill.

I want people to demand more from future operations and what better way to find out first hand then to try out Betcruise/Betvoyager/Betliner to see how we can have it so much better. Hard to shill for a place with no affiliate program unless I work for them, which I don't.

For a strictly RNG casino player, I want this more for me than anything, but if it takes a little exposure and "shilling" from me for people to see the light so we can eventually petition for transparent real time auditing for RNG outcomes in future online gambling operations, then so be it.

[hoop22]

yep good job

[hoop22]

ugh this is so silly

[noyb]

If you fail to read between the lines then don't post. Have I mentioned anything at all that's the least bit anecdotal? I stated all facts. You can go on the site and validate it.

The site is all about transparency. A bit of an Oxymoron for a shill to promote this site, isn't it? You are missing the point; I am the antithesis of a shill.

I want people to demand more from future operations and what better way to find out first hand then to try out Betcruise/Betvoyager/Betliner to see how we can have it so much better. Hard to shill for a place with no affiliate program unless I work for them, which I don't.

For a strictly RNG casino player, I want this more for me than anything, but if it takes a little exposure and "shilling" from me for people to see the light so we can eventually petition for transparent real time auditing for RNG outcomes in future online gambling operations, then so be it.

wow touchy touchy. does make me wonder..

anyway, if you haven't noticed the army of one post wonders whose sole purpose for posting on this and other forums every few weeks seems to be to up any betcruise/betliner topic with meaningless garbage, you haven't been paying attention.

this, after all, is a part of the forum dedicated to sportsbetting and i personally don't give a shit about their casino so i'm not gonna comment about that. their betting exchange is a ghost town and completely useless, for "leveraged betting" to be of any use you actually need decent prices and anyone that would send money to some third world country simply for a 7% interest should have their heads examined. there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to play there. i can see why they would want some PR for their operation, but all this shilling is still a bit pathetic.

[geist]

wow touchy touchy. does make me wonder..

anyway, if you haven't noticed the army of one post wonders whose sole purpose for posting on this and other forums every few weeks seems to be to up any betcruise/betliner topic with meaningless garbage, you haven't been paying attention.

this, after all, is a part of the forum dedicated to sportsbetting and i personally don't give a shit about their casino so i'm not gonna comment about that. their betting exchange is a ghost town and completely useless, for "leveraged betting" to be of any use you actually need decent prices and anyone that would send money to some third world country simply for a 7% interest should have their heads examined. there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to play there. i can see why they would want some PR for their operation, but all this shilling is still a bit pathetic.

Stay in Messazoic era if you wish. I could a give a rat's ass what you do. Trust me I don't care about that operation personally; I just pushing awareness for people to realize how much more transparent operations can be. People do play poker in here and real time RNG auditing would be tempting to them.

It's akin to when TV's first came out and everyone thought how ridiculous it was and how it was destined to fail.

[noyb]

Stay in Messazoic era if you wish. I could a give a rat's ass what you do. Trust me I don't care about that operation personally; I just pushing awareness for people to realize how much more transparent operations can be.

not sure you realize i wasn't even refering to you in the first place, but to the "gamblingpancakes" of this forums or whatever idiot poster names they came up that did like 9 posts a few weeks in between all about betcruise/betliner. yeah right.

People do play poker in here and real time RNG auditing would be tempting to them. It's akin to when TV's first came out and everyone thought how ridiculous it was and how it was destined to fail.

haha. sorry, but this getting ridiculous. get some perspective. regardless of whether they should, really, nobody gives a ****.

[geist]

not sure you realize i wasn't even refering to you in the first place, but to the "gamblingpancakes" of this forums or whatever idiot poster names they came up that did like 9 posts a few weeks in between all about betcruise/betliner. yeah right.



haha. sorry, but this getting ridiculous. get some perspective. regardless of whether they should, really, nobody gives a ****.

Why do I care what you have to say. Am I offending anyone besides you?

[noyb]

??? you're not even offending me so no idea what you're on about

[geist]

??? you're not even offending me so no idea what you're on about

You sure are sending mixed messages then.

[noyb]

again ???

[geist]

???

[the_mathman]

betliner is a discrete book.
the main problem is, of course, the liquidity.

[vivanorge]

this, after all, is a part of the forum dedicated to sportsbetting and i personally don't give a shit about their casino so i'm not gonna comment about that. their betting exchange is a ghost town and completely useless, for "leveraged betting" to be of any use you actually need decent prices and anyone that would send money to some third world country simply for a 7% interest should have their heads examined. there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to play there. i can see why they would want some PR for their operation, but all this shilling is still a bit pathetic.

Third world country?
Many of the gambling sites have licenced from caribbean countries.

But again. They have an 10% withdrawel fee on SPORTSBETTING on net winnings (simplified explained).

http://www.betcruise.com/en/payrules/

I dont think interest attracts any players, but in some degree level out the commision so its comparable to other exchanges (if you also included amount with zero commision).

My average bet are about €50.

Liquidity is poor, yes. But better than Betmaker and OK for tennis and bigger soccer-leagues.

[noyb]

Third world country?
Many of the gambling sites have licenced from caribbean countries.

yes, true. not all gambling sites, in fact no gambling site, pays an idiotic 7% interest on balances though. people in this thread were implying they kept balances at this shitshop just for the interest alone, as it's a much higher percentage any of us in 1st world countries are getting on our bank accounts. these people need to have their heads examined.

Third world country?
Liquidity is poor, yes. But better than Betmaker and OK for tennis and bigger soccer-leagues.

compared to betmaker everything has better liquidity. the only reason to play at betmaker is because someone is from the us and has no alternative. americans can't play at betliner, most of the rest of the world can. but they can also play at bf, betdaq, matchbook and a few others and don't have any need to play at a place like betliner at all. so comparing something to betmaker is a bit silly. if betliner is ever best price on anything, feel free to post, it'll probably be a while before we hear from you again though.

[vivanorge]

if betliner is ever best price on anything, feel free to post, it'll probably be a while before we hear from you again though.

About one hour

Then we almost agree!!!
There 7% interest is of course an gimmick thats paid by there quite hefty 10% commision on withdrawel.

In other words NO FREE LUNCH.

On a good period i have a couple of surebets daily including Betliner (mostly tennis and soccer). The trick is off course to try to get the betliner account to zero so you dont have to pay any commision.

However Betcruise/Betliner is possible dont the placed you want to have thousands of dollars. But this day it sometimes cant be difficults to know where you should keep the big money.

[SportsMozart]

That's the double-edged sword. For the big books, like the betfairs of the world, you get all the liquidity iyou want, yet you'll pay through the wazoo for commission. The smaller books, like this one, have good rates, but poor volume. So you basically get jacked either way.

You are wrong pal! Betfair liquidity sucks what comes to US sports so does Matchbooks! That is after they cut off US market... You are lucky to get in $200-300 on NFL game... That's BS!