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Good post, just had an issue with that.
The reason she didn't get paid is not because she opened the account in the wrong country. She didn't get paid because she was not the one to open the account. Had she really been vacationing in CR, and had been able to verify this she would have been paid in full. I wouldn't argue with her being paid out a figure from the wagers placed in the States.
The player in CR may be a very smart bettor, but he is not very street smart. He knew he was manipulating the rules of a softer book, and should have been prepared to deal with any backlash as a result of this. If you're going to take a shot at the rules of a softer book, one that will not just pay you a chunk of cash and boot you without flinching if it discovers rule tampering, be prepared to have an exit strategy.Last edited by SBR Lou; 11-11-07, 07:39 PM.Comment -
Unfortunately, this is the sign of the times. Lower Level books like Sportsbook.com, Gamblerspalace and now Beted look for reasons to take shots at players. An A Book will pay you and show you the door. SGC is an extreme example because of the country of origin and her (his) pathetic attempt at a con. If your picks are that good, and they may well be, then concentrate on non-CR Books. I still say a straight-forward account of what happened may have swayed public opinion and led to perhaps a better outcome.Comment -
I would imagine that this is quite a widespread practice, especially with Pinnacle no longer available to US players. As mentioned, runners come with the territory. Books know that.
The whole art of being a runner for a winning player lies in hiding that fact from casinos. Is that cheating? Not to me. Last time I checked it was not against the law and the house had a big enough advantage as it is.
Of course, if it is done very clumsily than the player is asking for trouble. But let's agree that it's none of the book's business where an online player gets his bets from. It's the internet age. All information is just a few clicks away.Comment -
A book has a right to accept wagers from whom they want.
Would it be fair to say you need to accept bets from x sports book becuase you bet with other sb's?
There is no difference between a sb and a player. Both sides enter a simple contract on a specific wager. Entering a contract under a false premise is grounds to nullify the contract. Pinnacle has a different biz model than most other sb's. Stop thinking any biz has some obligation to take your action.
If you agree to play a chess match with a little blind kid for money and Gary Kasparov shows up dressed in kids clothes with thick glasses, do you think the results of the match should stand and be paid?
Pinnacle can be generous becuase they are ok with playing the gary kasparovs of the betting world. That doesn't mean a sb is bad becuase they are not in the same class. Don't you think beted would like to be in the same class as pinnacle?
It is not their choice. They are not as skilled as pinnacle, but then again who is?
BetED only wants to play against unknown players or weak players. That is their right! Maybe if beted gets good enought at being a bookie they will take on all comers, but for now they want to play in class events not the open.Comment -
Basically what you are saying here is that the book does not want any winners. I would like to start a book like that. Hey, come and play if you win or have a clue what you are doing then we will not pay out. If they dont want that action they can cut that player off and settle up the account. There is no excuse for confiscating this persons $$$. If the person lost the 1k it would not have been refunded period.Comment -
I was bored yesterday and done a parlay with 6 random picks from this list (the ones where the handicap was the same as in SGC's list)
1. Win 11-Nov Football/NFL (Spread) Jacksonville Jaguars (+4.5) vs Tennessee Titans for Game (+100) 28 - 13
2. Win 11-Nov Football/NFL (Spread) Cleveland Browns (+10) vs Pittsburgh Steelers for Game (-115) 28 - 31
3. Win 11-Nov Football/NFL (Spread) St Louis Rams (+10.5) vs New Orleans Saints for Game (-115) 37 - 29
4. Win 11-Nov Football/NFL (Spread) Philadelphia Eagles (+3) vs Washington Redskins for Game (-125) 33 - 25
5. Win 11-Nov Football/NFL (Spread) Detroit Lions vs Arizona Cardinals (-1.5) for Game (-115) 21 - 31
6. Win 11-Nov Football/NFL (Spread) Indianapolis Colts vs San Diego Chargers (+3.5) for Game (-120) 21 - 23
Luck or skill, you can still spend it on beer, Cheers SGC.Last edited by Jamie_UK; 11-12-07, 02:56 AM.Comment -
Books are not obliged to take a person's action, but when they do both parties enter into a business agreement, that both parties can end whenever they want. That is not the point. "Retroactively' is the point; i.e. after the fact. If a book decides to confiscate winnings, because it doesn't like where the business relationship is going, then why should a player not be given the exact same right?
If the player had lost 18K and approached Beted with something like: "I just found out that, legally, you're not allowed to take my action. I can't believe your system didn't detect that, and strongly suggest you refund my losses immediately." Same scenario, only reversed. We can be certain that the book is fully aware of the sportsbook law, and far less certain that every single person in CR is... So who bears the main responsibility?
The problem was that the account was created in CR, and we know that the player was aware that he couldn't do that (otherwise he wouldn't have gotten a pink associate). Still, it takes two parties to create an account, and I'm inclined to think that both are equally responsible for making sure that is done correctly.
If BetEd is so fair and open, let them show SBR how many accounts from CR are in their files. Only then can we know if this was a rare exception or a convenient one-way trap door.
(As to Kasparov. Not sure how he got into this. In case you hadn't noticed, the book has the edge. And the player needs to be very good to beat the book consistently. If you suggest that such players shouldn't be allowed to bet, then we're talking a different ballgame.)Comment -
Miami didn't cover either on that line, though you could have found 3 and bought the hookComment -
Dark Horse has the most incisive analysis of this matter.
There are no heroes here, and the posters who are patting BetEd on the back are short-sighted.
Let the BetEd spoke get on here and say that, certainly, if the bettor who registered against their rules lost their deposit, and BetEd found out they were in Costa Rica, then their post-up money would have been refunded.
On second thought, the BetEd spoke better not do that. The titanic laughter of the gods that would therefore ensue would then whip up a hurricane that may well destroy the entire Caribbean . . .Comment -
A betED.com spokesperson reaffirmed what had transpired:
"The account was set up in Costa Rica. Our terms and conditions prohibit us from accepting betting accounts and wagers originating from Costa Rica.
"It was discovered that the user then, after being given the opportunity to prove her original position (which was that she was in Costa Rica on vacation at the time the account was set up and that we should still honor the bets), made use of a forged passport to submit as identification. We were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and honor her wagers if she had indeed been in Costa Rica on vacation but as it turned out, it was her deliberate intent to defraud the book from he beginning. She was just a puppet for that 'unsavory bookmaker'."Comment -
If you are from CR, why not bet at Pinny ?Comment -
No, if my friend knew not to sign up in Costa Rica, then we would not have. Remember, only the first 3 days were played in Costa, the rest AT MY HOUSE IN THE STATES (betED can confirm). He comes up with good plays, but we dont go 11-1-1 every week, this was a good week. For example, we went 11-1-1 this week, but with betED would have been 12-1. Just one or two games going from a push to a winner or a loser to a winner can make all the diff in betting. He was pissed as shit finding out I posted his plays, and made me promise never to do so again.
He did tell me I might not get paid, and they were putting those lines up for a reason, and it was not just free money payday for everyone. I took a chance, and won, and looking back betED took a freeroll on me for my $1000.
I just wish I had not have lied. I was not getting paid no matter what, but if I didn't lie, everyone on here would be bashing betED and not me. Either way, I was not getting one dollar, because betED is scum.
I do feel like Karma will get them in the end though, and books cannot scam people forever. I sure got punished (18k) a hell of a lot for doing something wrong (lying).Comment -
Pinny has the sharpest lines in the world.
betED has the dumbest. A monkey could beat betED.
example: Line is -3, betED has -5, doesn't take a brilliant person to figure out to bet +5 and in the long run you will end up with all their money. (they dont pay of course, but on paper you will have it)Comment -
Thats understandable. I can tell by now after reading enough of your posts that this one was written by the female in Minnesota. You would also not be slammed as much if you'd change your PW, stop letting the guy from CR post in your name. When he just calls us idiots and threatens to rape BetED & blah blah, its a little childish.
Come participate in some other threads, this one has gotten a little old by now.Comment -
Whoever is posting on these threads to try and prove whether the person making the claim is telling the truth should be spending their time doing something more productive with their time.
The point is these costa rican based sportsbooks are attempting to scam people's monies. I know first hand and whoever doesn't believe it doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you have been scammed by one of these books you know that anybody who claims that they are being scammed has a high probability that this is indeed happening.
Lets try and find some resources in getting our monies back. This is not a F*&)(#in joke. Only people that are trying to cut us down for trying to get our monies back are.
The rest of you, lets do whatever we can to collect our wagers that we WON and deserve to be paid out on.Comment -
It is clear you can not sign up from Costa Rica. Costa Rica is not an option on the sign up form.
Idiots!!!
Yes, beted can easily be beaten. Just make sure to use legit names with legit IDs with IP addresses in countries where they take action. It is not that hard...Comment -
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You just happened to be in Costa Rica and decided to setup a sports betting account with a Costa Rican sportsbook while there. This story sounds as sketchy as humanly possible. What is this a bookie laying off action at another sportsbook intending to catch middles to turn a profit rather than profit off the vig and risk HIS roll and I do mean HIS cuz this aint no chick I can assure you so stop the pink writing BULLSHIT, nobody's buying it. In reality if they do not allow for Costa Rican accounts then you have very little recourse as you violated a standard rule.Comment -
Thanks for bumping a classic bettilim.Comment -
What I found most interesting is OldZig said he had no interest in this case and was posting large in this thread and "surprise" he hasn't come on to SBR since Nov. 17. Oldzig may have been the money behind this operation? But how I do miss this thread as this was certainly the thread of 2007.Comment -
someone was asking about BetEDComment -
what happened with this...did she ever get paid? I didnt read the entire 35568872 pgs.Comment -
SGC never was paid because her story and paperwork didn't matchup at all sir. However, BetEd did return the startup funds.Comment -
Thanks for bumping a classic gentlemen.Comment -
THX BBD...I was curious.Comment -
so she lost over 18k for doing nothing wrong. IP checks should be done regularly...not something you do before a cashout.
the correct thing for a book to do is to limit her account once they first discovered a funded account from costa rica and settle the matter back then.Comment -
Ahh, the good old days.
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What I learned from this is that I will never play at Bet Ed and will tell all my friends not to play there. Bet Ed sounds just like BetUS. Anything to avoid paying serious winners. Just like BetRoyal and BetUS!! Always finding problems as soon as the player wants a payout. Not a word while making deposits and
losing. Hey, boycott BetED!
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LOL! A classic. I spent an hour reading all 13 pages. I learned a lot. Do you ever think Bet Ed improved their line movement?
One thing that no one bothered to point out is "she" tried to forge a passport. That's a felony in the US and everywhere else. She could have gone to jail just for that... well maybe not because she wasn't sending it to any authority. Haha, still that's worse than using a fake driver's license.
In the end, I'd be pissed too if I tried to pull a fast one and fvcked up doing it. The Costa Rican counterpart could have informed her to set up the book from home while guiding her through it. If they could have done that from the beginning, the 19k would have been a lot more by the time this got settled in mid November.Comment -
Isn't BetED ranked #1 at Covers??Comment -
Without a doubt the all time best thread at SBR.IMO
I remember when it was actually happening, great stuff.
Now all we need is the BEANTOWNJIM thread about his neighbor Yurri
and the lawnmower, also a fantastic read.Comment
