[Justin Mills]

Betonline Seized my Money
I won on my account and got it to $10,000 playing Blackjack. Then I couldn't login, I called Betonline and they said my account was closed for violating their terms.

I just spoke with an attorney in Panama, they're going to sue Betonline (but will charge me half of all the money recovered from my account). The attorney told me that he has dealt with Betonline before for the same issue, stealing people's money after they win and he was able to successfully recover their money. He explained that Bet Online is licensed, so when he takes them before the tribunal in Panama City, if they are found liable for stealing a customer's money, as happened here, they could lose their license.

If this has been happening to anyone else on here let me know and I can give you the attorney's information to contact. Although he speaks only Spanish so you might need someone to translate. I speak Spanish fluently.

If Betonline.ag doesn't voluntary return my money I plan to file a complaint with the Junta de Control de Juegos (Panama Gaming Commissions) in addition to filing the lawsuit. They need to be held accountable. They can't just go around alleging a breach of a term and condition to seize all of the money in someones account. Just like in the US if they want to deny service to someone and close their account that's fine but they need to return the money in the account otherwise its just blatant theft.

[syjytg]

How come I can't see the attachments?

[PD77]

at least your money didn’t disappear because someone else lost it playing blackjack like what usually happens at BO. Which term or condition did they accuse you of violating?

I see from your other post it is multiple accounts from same device. BO is pretty good at that game, good luck with that, at least your scumbag lawyer uses contingency.

[KS1986]

If you have logged into multiple accounts from the same device they will keep those funds. Pretty easy for them to prove this too, if it's a mistake I'm sure you'll eventually get paid. They aren't out to steal your money, just trying to catch cheaters. Were bonuses involved?

[Justin Mills]

So I won fair and square playing blackjack with my own money. Where's the "cheating"? Theft is the right word. No bonus, I deposited my bitcoin and played and won very straight forward. So as for whether they keep someone's funds, they can do whatever they want including stealing someone's money because they have control over the account and whether they payout. They can steal people's money if they–or try to. But because they're licensed they're also subject to the gaming commission's authority and the court system for that jurisdiction. I have proof of exactly how I won my $10k, legitimately no wrong doing on my part. If they were based in the US I would be going after them for punitive damages as well.

Also, yeah obviously they are out to steal your money, that's why I'm having to take them to court.

[Justin Mills]

at least your scumbag lawyer uses contingency.

You think lawyers are scumbags? Lol ok whatever man.

[Justin Mills]

Attachments don't work so I added them in the text body, that's just showing exactly how I won the $10k. There's no problem if someone loses $10k to them but if they win Bet Online will close the account out and steal the money. Despicable really I can't wait to get in front of the Panamanian tribunal on this matter.

[syjytg]

I sure will be enjoying my popcorn when you lose the case.

[KS1986]

They are saying you have used multiple accounts form the same device. How you won the money doesn't matter. If you broke their terms they will have proof.

[PD77]

You think lawyers are scumbags? Lol ok whatever man.

I didn’t say all lawyers are scumbags, just yours. Think about it. You must be new.
they either caught you cheating or caught you in a hidden term or condition. Your’re screwed, kiss you 10k goodbye.

[DontTailMe]

If you were truly multi-accounting, then they should give you your deposit(s) back and be done with it. If you've already withdrawn more than your deposits, then they might be done with you already.

BetOnline is extremely fair and had even paid out a few cheaters in the past, so you're not going to convince savvier players here that they are purposely stealing from you.

If you're innocent and this is all a misunderstanding, then you'll be paid. Best of luck.

[syjytg]

If you were truly multi-accounting, then they should give you your deposit(s) back and be done with it. If you've already withdrawn more than your deposits, then they might be done with you already.

BetOnline is extremely fair and had even paid out a few cheaters in the past, so you're not going to convince savvier players here that they are purposely stealing from you.

If you're innocent and this is all a misunderstanding, then you'll be paid. Best of luck.

Are you saying they are required to pay back deposits to a cheater?

[Justin Mills]

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[Justin Mills]

I didn’t say all lawyers are scumbags, just yours. Think about it. You must be new.
they either caught you cheating or caught you in a hidden term or condition. Your’re screwed, kiss you 10k goodbye.

Well I'm actually planning on winning, so I'm going to be getting that $10k. And you know why? Because a MF like u aren't going to be on my jury. And by the way I've dealt with casinos in court before and won every case. What about u? U probably don't have any experience with legal matters, you just like to flap your big mouth u POS.

[syjytg]

Then why are you posting here? If you are clearly going to win, you clearly don't need any help.

[Justin Mills]

So I posted screenshots of exactly how I won, which is by playing blackjack, wtf cheating r u folks fantasizing about? Like u think I have a special software that can detect what card is going to be dealt? Absurd. How could you even cheat with the online gaming software I don't think that's even possible. They lost, and don't want to pay out and be sore losers it will only fall back down on them when we're in court.

[Justin Mills]

Then why are you posting here? If you are clearly going to win, you clearly don't need any help.

I'm not here for help I made this post for anyone considering opening an account with Betonline to know that Betonline can steal their money so they don't make the same mistake I did of trusting this Panama based online casino.

[PD77]

Well I'm actually planning on winning, so I'm going to be getting that $10k. And you know why? Because a MF like u aren't going to be on my jury. And by the way I've dealt with casinos in court before and won every case. What about u? U probably don't have any experience with legal matters, you just like to flap your big mouth u POS.

If you win you will get $5k, remember, your scumbag lawyer gets 50%, most only take 33%-40%. And you are correct I’ve never dealt with an online casino in court, you know why? Because I’ve never needed one, I never even needed to file a complaint here at SBR. The fact that you’re bragging about multiple casinos cases in court says a lot. Look dude, I’ve read hundreds of first time posters claiming the exact same thing you are claiming so perhaps I am a bit jaded. I’d estimate 95/100 are scammers or either violated the T&C of the sportsbook/casino. Good luck getting 50% of your money , you’re going to need it. You know there are sites that will help you out with disputes just like yours, and they don’t charge a fee. The downside is , if you’re a scammer you get exposed as that. Once you settle your case report back, we’ll be waiting and I’m sure BO will be too.

[DontTailMe]

Are you saying they are required to pay back deposits to a cheater?

I'm not saying they're required to do anything. But they should, and I believe BOL does based on what I've seen.

[syjytg]

Yeah PD77, as if the casinos have a vendetta against him and wants to cheat him lol.

[BeatTheJerk]

So I posted screenshots of exactly how I won, which is by playing blackjack, wtf cheating r u folks fantasizing about? Like u think I have a special software that can detect what card is going to be dealt? Absurd. How could you even cheat with the online gaming software I don't think that's even possible. They lost, and don't want to pay out and be sore losers it will only fall back down on them when we're in court.

BOL is not claiming you cheated during your blackjack run. They have caught you in a multiple account access from the same device & yes they would’ve continued to take your money if you didn’t win that 10k that’s how it works. They won’t investigate that until a withdrawal is requested. I think you are wasting your time here in my opinion.

[DontTailMe]

If you win you will get $5k, remember, your scumbag lawyer gets 50%, most only take 33%-40%. And you are correct I’ve never dealt with an online casino in court, you know why? Because I’ve never needed one, I never even needed to file a complaint here at SBR. The fact that you’re bragging about multiple casinos cases in court says a lot. Look dude, I’ve read hundreds of first time posters claiming the exact same thing you are claiming so perhaps I am a bit jaded. I’d estimate 95/100 are scammers or either violated the T&C of the sportsbook/casino. Good luck getting 50% of your money , you’re going to need it. You know there are sites that will help you out with disputes just like yours, and they don’t charge a fee. The downside is , if you’re a scammer you get exposed as that. Once you settle your case report back, we’ll be waiting and I’m sure BO will be too.

Yes. I too was wondering why OP skipped the step of free resolution services which always works when dealing with: (a) an honest customer, and (b) an A-rated book like BOL.

[Justin Mills]

If you win you will get $5k, remember, your scumbag lawyer gets 50%, most only take 33%-40%. And you are correct I’ve never dealt with an online casino in court, you know why? Because I’ve never needed one, I never even needed to file a complaint here at SBR. The fact that you’re bragging about multiple casinos cases in court says a lot. Look dude, I’ve read hundreds of first time posters claiming the exact same thing you are claiming so perhaps I am a bit jaded. I’d estimate 95/100 are scammers or either violated the T&C of the sportsbook/casino. Good luck getting 50% of your money , you’re going to need it. You know there are sites that will help you out with disputes just like yours, and they don’t charge a fee. The downside is , if you’re a scammer you get exposed as that. Once you settle your case report back, we’ll be waiting and I’m sure BO will be too.

My lawyer's not a "scumbag" u must work or have family in casinos or law enforcement to identify with casinos so much and get a kick out of hearing people getting burned by them. To me that's disturbing, I'll never understand bootlickers like you that identify with those perpetrating an abuse of power. The fact that I'm bragging about winning multiple cases does say a lot, I think it shows that I know how to deal with these folks. They always think they can do whatever they want and get away with, and they have you as a cheerleader. Y'know I'll be happy getting $5k and that the lawyer gets $5k, he deserves it, he's good at what he does and deserves to get compensated.

[PD77]

Yes. I too was wondering why OP skipped the step of free resolution services which always works when dealing with: (a) an honest customer, and (b) an A-rated book like BOL.

Only explanation I could come up with was he’s a shill for a Panamanian lawyer, or the actual attorney himself. He did take offense to my scumbag comment. Only way he gets the full 10k is if he’s the lawyer.

[Justin Mills]

Yeah PD77, as if the casinos have a vendetta against him and wants to cheat him lol.

I don't get it is there something funny to you about the fact that I've won some legal cases?

[PD77]

My lawyer's not a "scumbag" u must work or have family in casinos or law enforcement to identify with casinos so much and get a kick out of hearing people getting burned by them. To me that's disturbing, I'll never understand bootlickers like you that identify with those perpetrating an abuse of power. The fact that I'm bragging about winning multiple cases does say a lot, I think it shows that I know how to deal with these folks. They always think they can do whatever they want and get away with, and they have you as a cheerleader. Y'know I'll be happy getting $5k and that the lawyer gets $5k, he deserves it, he's good at what he does and deserves to get compensated.

Look you dipshit, read my post history, I’ve rarely had anything good to say about betonline. They had a long period of time where customers accounts were compromised and players balances vanished playing blackjack. The cases were never explained at SBR. I haven’t played at BO in over ten years and will never play there again. After reading this forum for 13 years you see a lot of scammers. Multi accounting and taking bonus after bonus is cheating. My guess is, that is what they are accusing you of, just because you used a different IP address doesn’t bypass their security. There are identifiers within your browser as well as the hardware on the computer you use, it’s not that hard to catch.

[Justin Mills]

BOL is not claiming you cheated during your blackjack run. They have caught you in a multiple account access from the same device & yes they would’ve continued to take your money if you didn’t win that 10k that’s how it works. They won’t investigate that until a withdrawal is requested. I think you are wasting your time here in my opinion.

I'm sure Betonline can do whatever they want, they can steal the money. But then there's the Court system they have to answer to and the Panama Gaming Commission. So they can take someone's money but then they'll have to answer for it. So under Panama law if someone win they have to pay it out its very simple. I'm sure there are people on this forum that fantasize about online casinos stealing millions from players because of as PD77 says a "hidden term or condition". But that's not the right test for a seizure of money, such seizure can only occur if there was some actual fraud involved with the deposit. Betonline can go ahead and close an account for any reason but if they do that under the law they're obligated to return a person's money that just how it works. The same with a bank account, a bank can close your account but then they have to mail you a check with the account balance.

[syjytg]

Only explanation I could come up with was he’s a shill for a Panamanian lawyer, or the actual attorney himself. He did take offense to my scumbag comment. Only way he gets the full 10k is if he’s the lawyer.

Agreed or just a straight up troll.

[Justin Mills]

Agreed or just a straight up troll.

Lol

[syjytg]

I'm sure Betonline can do whatever they want, they can steal the money. But then there's the Court system they have to answer to and the Panama Gaming Commission. So they can take someone's money but then they'll have to answer for it. So under Panama law if someone win they have to pay it out its very simple. I'm sure there are people on this forum like PD77 that fantasize about online casino's stealing millions from players because of as he says a "hidden term or condition". But that's not the right test for a seizure of money, such seizure can only occur if there was some actual fraud involved with the deposit. Betonline can go ahead and close an account for any reason but if they do that under the law they're obligated to return a person's money that just how it works. The same with a bank account, a bank can close your account but then they have to mail you a check with the account balance.

Not if you cheat. In any case, "under the law they're obligated to return a person's money" means they have to return the deposits not the winnings.

[Justin Mills]

Not if you cheat. In any case, "under the law they're obligated to return a person's money" means they have to return the deposits not the winnings.

Why do you continue to mention "cheating" when that has nothing to do what occurred here. Regardless your take on the law is wrong, it includes the winning, they have to pay it all back. The winnings are part of the account balance which the player is entitled to.

[PD77]

So under Panama law if someone win they have to pay it out its very simple. I'm sure there are people on this forum that fantasize about online casinos stealing millions from players because of as PD77 says a "hidden term or condition". But that's not the right test for a seizure of money, such seizure can only occur if there was some actual fraud involved with the deposit.

Casinos and sportsbooks can and will confiscate your funds if you violate their terms and conditions. Read the below thread, this guy hired a lawyer too. I thought this guy had a legitimate case but he missed a hidden term buried deep within the website. He lost $28,000 for betting too much per spin on a slot.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...-winnings.html

[Mugsy777]

another scammer , it never stops

[DontTailMe]

Why do you continue to mention "cheating" when that has nothing to do what occurred here. Regardless your take on the law is wrong, it includes the winning, they have to pay it all back. The winnings are part of the account balance which the player is entitled to.

People are saying it because it's a possibility. BetOnline obviously thinks you cheated in some way, and history shows that they aren't in the business of confiscating funds from honest players. No one here knows the truth with any degree of certainty. All we can do is look for context clues to try to determine what is actually going on. It's not something you should take offense to - no one here knows you. And people have explained in this thread - a few times now - how you can be telling the 100% truth about that blackjack game but still be in violation of the rules.

[BeatTheJerk]

Justin did you take multiple 100% deposit bonuses since you had more than one account ?