[bubba]

Why are you in this thread posting your paronoid BS again.


You have 5 posts in this thread claiming Heritage short you every time.

You keep it up after Heritage Insider confirms they send the full amount and charge no fees.


And now when asked for the link to the blockchain record so your problem can be checked... you answer, "No, for security reasons. And btw can you tell me how I can tell what the value was at time of send?"


You didn't even care enough to Google how to check, but felt the need to keep saying it five times.

This is the same guy who wouldn't step from his lie that SBR clearly stated another book could steal last week.



Pointing this out so some of you can see what a battle it can be keeping this forum fair and accurate.

Casual liars like Bubba can have a large effect.

You quoted me where I clearly stated "according to the poster". Not my point of view. I have stated in this thread I am not a bitcoin expert many times.

Optional- you constantly pick on me. You have it out to get me clearly. I do not trust you sending anything of mine personally. You quote me and attack me while my quote is 100000% accurate. This happens all the time.

"Casual liar" I'll give myself some leeway for a mistake here and there. I have about 2000 posts on here? I'll give myself 3 honest mistakes. For the 4th through 2,0000 th lie you post of mine, I'll donate 200$ each to the charity of your choice. If you are telling the truth that I am a casual liar, you just raised q lot of $$$ for charity.


**** Crazy that a mod is baiting me. Embarissing for sbr. They need those clicks though. And the advertising revenue. At any expense*****

[RUNandGun]

Wow really didn’t mean to cause all this drama. I was truly just curious as to why I always seemed to come up a little short. Heritage Insider provided me some info and explanations. Here is the best explanation I think. Heritage does not charge fees and submits the full amount. I believe Insider that they are not in the business of trading bitcoin and don’t employ a trader. But I think the person in charge of payouts and deposits must be very cautious to make sure Heritage is not on the losing end of trades. Could you imagine if the payouts and deposits always resulted in Heritage losing a little? That person would be canned and it would not be good for their bottom line. I don’t blame them. That’s just what you have to do in business. Maybe I just got unlucky with my deposits and withdraws, but I would rather like a flat $5 fee for bitcoin payouts so I knew what I would end up with but again I think that would be to hard from a business perspective with the volatility of Bitcoin. This time was also the first time I didn’t recoup the shortage by simply waiting a few hours for the price to change. I ended up losing another $50 for panicking on the drop of bitcoin and sold. It is still the best way as we get paid out fast.

Heritage Insider if you are reading. We are good. As I said above I really was just wondering how it all works and you went above anything I imagined in a form of an explanation. Did not expect all of that. Hope I didn’t come off as your typical complainer.

[bubba]

Wow really didn’t mean to cause all this drama. I was truly just curious as to why I always seemed to come up a little short. Heritage Insider provided me some info and explanations. Here is the best explanation I think. Heritage does not charge fees and submits the full amount. I believe Insider that they are not in the business of trading bitcoin and don’t employ a trader. But I think the person in charge of payouts and deposits must be very cautious to make sure Heritage is not on the losing end of trades. Could you imagine if the payouts and deposits always resulted in Heritage losing a little? That person would be canned and it would not be good for their bottom line. I don’t blame them. That’s just what you have to do in business. Maybe I just got unlucky with my deposits and withdraws, but I would rather like a flat $5 fee for bitcoin payouts so I knew what I would end up with but again I think that would be to hard from a business perspective with the volatility of Bitcoin. This time was also the first time I didn’t recoup the shortage by simply waiting a few hours for the price to change. I ended up losing another $50 for panicking on the drop of bitcoin and sold. It is still the best way as we get paid out fast.

Heritage Insider if you are reading. We are good. As I said above I really was just wondering how it all works and you went above anything I imagined in a form of an explanation. Did not expect all of that. Hope I didn’t come off as your typical complainer.

I am good too with heritage. I never started a thread over it, it didnt bother me much. But when I saw a thread started with someone having the same exact situation as myself, i chimed in with my experience in a truthful matter.

[Optional]

You quoted me where I clearly stated "according to the poster". Not my point of view. I have stated in this thread I am not a bitcoin expert many times.

Optional- you constantly pick on me. You have it out to get me clearly. I do not trust you sending anything of mine personally. You quote me and attack me while my quote is 100000% accurate. This happens all the time.

"Casual liar" I'll give myself some leeway for a mistake here and there. I have about 2000 posts on here? I'll give myself 3 honest mistakes. For the 4th through 2,0000 th lie you post of mine, I'll donate 200$ each to the charity of your choice. If you are telling the truth that I am a casual liar, you just raised q lot of $$$ for charity.


**** Crazy that a mod is baiting me. Embarissing for sbr. They need those clicks though. And the advertising revenue. At any expense*****

Dude.

If you are going to make five separate posts about a book doing you wrong.

Is it too much to ask that you take 2 minutes to check what you are saying?

You'll be able to see the wallet's estimated value at the moment it was sent in there somewhere.

It's never going to be exactly the same, unless Heritage just happen to be using the same reference rate as you, but you should see that what Heritage Insider said is true and it will be very close each time at that instant of time.

[bubba]

Dude.

If you are going to make five separate posts about a book doing you wrong.

Is it too much to ask that you take 2 minutes to check what you are saying?

You'll be able to see the wallet's estimated value at the moment it was sent in there somewhere.

It's never going to be exactly the same, unless Heritage just happen to be using the same reference rate as you, but you should see that what Heritage Insider said is true and it will be very close each time at that instant of time.

I am holding off on responding to you until my posts are not delayed. Offer still stands to raise thousands for charity of your choice even if you keep me on delay.

[LLXC]

Okay, what I am guessing now (based on a few more withdrawals and looking back on some old withdrawals, and comparing it to btc price charts at the time) is that bookmakers seem to use the CoinMarketCap bitcoin value. Unfortunately, it's aggregate btc value is usually higher than most exchanges (rarely has it been lower, and when it was, it was not by much). For example, right now, CoinMarketCap $3501.81 while Coinbase is $3417.32 and Poloniex $3403.08.

[confirmationman]

bodog/bovada also shorts you on every single bitcoin payout. And no this is not a mistake on my end or the original posters end, you can check blockchain.info and other explorers that give you the exact time stamp and value at the time of transfer, and Bodog consistently shorts me for poker withdrawals. Like he said its either A) deliberate shorting B) Payment processor they use, has a deliberate lower payout rate

[Jnas]

I have made dozens of payouts from both heritage and bovada and they are almost always spot on and done in less than 24 hours. Not saying that an isolated incident is not possible but those claiming they are always shorting are full of crap. They are 2 of the very best books for payments!!! So many whiny babies on here recently

[Crusherrr]

Heritage not allowing me to do bitcoin deposits today. Anyone else?

[confirmationman]

I have made dozens of payouts from both heritage and bovada and they are almost always spot on and done in less than 24 hours. Not saying that an isolated incident is not possible but those claiming they are always shorting are full of crap. They are 2 of the very best books for payments!!! So many whiny babies on here recently

I'am not saying they did not short you, but saying we are whining and have no basis for this is false. I can provide proof of my last 3 payments, all three for roughly $2000CAD and on every single one I received roughly $1950-$1960

[RUNandGun]

I just did a $1500 payout to a different exchange. I received 0.442013 Bitcoin. My exchange $1472.43. When I put that amount into the exchange on google it equals $1476.63. So shorted once again.

[RUNandGun]

On the plus side it was processed like in 30 minutes from when I requested it. Ended up with $1478 when I sold and converted. I’m not trying to hold Bitcoin with how volitile it is

[Barrakuda]

On payouts from Heritage, I have seen anywhere from between 0.08% and 0.35% short (vs. value at Blockchain.com). Never received more than expected, always a bit light. Same thing on deposits -- I lose 0.1% to 0.4%.

This seems to be the experience of the majority here. Very unlikely that a band of long-time posters is ganging up on Heritage. Much more likely Heritage or its processor takes a cut.

[JoeCool20]

Ok seems like they always skim a little though not just this time. Other books such as DSI I got the full amount maybe even a little extra.

LOL I got one from DSI last week and it was at least 4% less than the amount I requested.

[RUNandGun]

LOL I got one from DSI last week and it was at least 4% less than the amount I requested.

Wow I haven’t got one from them in months though. Bovada was usually good also especially on deposits. Maybe it’s just a volatility thing recently so books are being super cautious and whoever is in charge of the payouts are told to error on the side of the book more.

[mr.ed]

My last two BTC withdrawals from heritage when requesting 3k have been $3029 and $3052.

[RUNandGun]

My last two BTC withdrawals from heritage when requesting 3k have been $3029 and $3052.

What wallet do you send to?

[RUNandGun]

And how long ago were these? Was this recent with the bitcoin volitility?

[big joe 1212]

I just sent a BTC deposit to Heritage this morning and received 2% more than what I sent. Took about 10 minutes so I don’t think the price jumped that much.

[bubba]

My last two BTC withdrawals from heritage when requesting 3k have been $3029 and $3052.

more info please!!

[PD77]

Is it me or was the title of this thread changed?

[Optional]

^^^ I think it may be to due to the claim being wrong.

And was probably done because of ignorant people like Bubba, who still has not confirmed what the value of any his payments were at send time but continues to suggest he was ripped off. (says he doesn't know how to see that simple thing, and refuses to share a TX to be checked for him... yeah right buddy)


Here's the correct info PD77;

Heritage Insider assures me that they send the full amount and pass on no fees.

He says if any of you would like your payout reviewed please contact Heritage support directly and they would be happy to look into it.

My last two BTC withdrawals from heritage when requesting 3k have been $3029 and $3052.

I just sent a BTC deposit to Heritage this morning and received 2% more than what I sent. Took about 10 minutes so I don’t think the price jumped that much.

Sometimes it works for you, sometimes not.



And if you don't agree, give Heritage your payment ID and they will explain to you what has been sent or fix it.

[Barrakuda]

^^^ I think it may be to due to the claim being wrong.

And was probably done because of ignorant people like Bubba, who still has not confirmed what the value of any his payments were at send time but continues to suggest he was ripped off. (says he doesn't know how to see that simple thing, and refuses to share a TX to be checked for him... yeah right buddy)


Here's the correct info PD77;







Sometimes it works for you, sometimes not.



And if you don't agree, give Heritage your payment ID and they will explain to you what has been sent or fix it.

So you secretly alter thread titles because you're so worried about a sponsor complaining to you? Wow.

[Rollins08]

Who changed the thread title? That’s an important piece of information now.

[bubba]

I am silenced from sbr from adding to this thread.

[SBR Forum]

So you secretly alter thread titles because you're so worried about a sponsor complaining to you? Wow.

No, the title was modified in good faith because it was misleading to other forum members, and actually proven to be false by other members. Why would you want players thinking that a book is ripping them off on their withdrawals when it is untrue? That is all readers who don't bother to read every post would see and assume.

I am silenced from sbr from adding to this thread.

Hi bubba,

SBR has helped you in the past and will continue to help you on any issue you may encounter. You are not post delayed in any way. It is best to keep the thread focused on your feedback with the sportsbook and not personal attacks on staff or anyone else. Appreciate your passion as always.

[bubba]

No, the title was modified in good faith because it was misleading to other forum members, and actually proven to be false by other members. Why would you want players thinking that a book is ripping them off on their withdrawals when it is untrue? That is all readers who don't bother to read every post would see and assume.
Hi bubba,

SBR has helped you in the past and will continue to help you on any issue you may encounter. You are not post delayed in any way. It is best to keep the thread focused on your feedback with the sportsbook and not personal attacks on staff or anyone else. Appreciate your passion as always.

can you honestly say I have personally attacked anyone? in the 15 years I have been a member here? I have done nothing but posted as honestly as i can all that time. I have a mod who has personally attacked me on many occasions. I try to keep things not personal and tell the truth but having had posts deleted and delayed (and altered? not sure) in the last couple of weeks makes me question this whole operation. I have an agenda for the truth. Sbrs agenda should be for the truth too. I am now wondering who else has attempted to post the truth on sbr and been silenced. It scares me.

Please pm me (or post publicly) all the personal attacks I have sent out of my over 2,000 posts. It would be much appreciated.

Yes Sbr has helped me in the past. I will not dispute that. They have helped me many times, probably more than you know.

They also cost me 10s of thousands (about 50 if memory is correct) of dollars by recklessly getting in bed with betislands. I see the good in sbr and i see the bad as well.

[bubba]

No, the title was modified in good faith because it was misleading to other forum members, and actually proven to be false by other members. Why would you want players thinking that a book is ripping them off on their withdrawals when it is untrue? That is all readers who don't bother to read every post would see and assume.
Hi bubba,

SBR has helped you in the past and will continue to help you on any issue you may encounter. You are not post delayed in any way. It is best to keep the thread focused on your feedback with the sportsbook and not personal attacks on staff or anyone else. Appreciate your passion as always.

The thread title was was not "proven" to be false , any more than "proven" to be true

[TheMoneyShot]

Had a PO from Heritage for 3k about 2 weeks ago... and it was spot on.

[HedgeHog]

Until yesterday, I didn't have an issue with my BTC transactions with Heritage. They always seemed to be w/i a few bucks either way. But I was disappointed when my $3000 deposit ($2999.34 confirmed at time sent) yesterday afternoon only resulted in $2924.75 getting credited to my account, a shorting of $75. I contacted Heritage live chat and later their email CS, and was told by both that they go by the time of confirmation--not the time sent. They also claim that this has always been the case, but that seems improbable given the price consistency of previous deposits. More likely this is the result of a recent change in how they treat BTC deposits.

By no means am I saying Heritage is intentionally shorting its clients. But they are now definitely forcing BTC currency risk on depositors. So understand that when you send a BTC deposit to them, don't expect to get what you sent. Instead you will have to sweat out the confirmation process, which could be several hours in some cases, and be forced to accept the price at that time. To my knowledge, Heritage is the only A+ Book not recognizing your BTC deposit at the time you submitted it. Great book, but a poor policy. Keep this in mind when you use bitcoin with them.

My $3000 BTC deposit address: 1LLpgwExsYQDxBXpt9mrpqXMJr1hJnFfFx

The amount credited to my acct:

148485532

4/6/2019 03:28PM

Customer Deposit

2,924.75

[TheMoneyShot]

Sorry to hear about your trouble HedgeHog.... it's been 1 confirmation at Heritage for quite awhile now. Imagine if you had to wait 5-6 confirmations at 5Dimes.

I don't know of any other book that gives you your Deposit... without a confirmation? Can you name the ones that do? Only book that use to was Bovada... but I don't know if they do that anymore?

[HedgeHog]

Sorry to hear about your trouble HedgeHog.... it's been 1 confirmation at Heritage for quite awhile now. Imagine if you had to wait 5-6 confirmations at 5Dimes.

I don't know of any other book that gives you your Deposit... without a confirmation? Can you name the ones that do? Only book that use to was Bovada... but I don't know if they do that anymore?

To be clear, I don't expect any Book to credit my account until after confirmation occurs (although Bovada does as you pointed out). But once confirmation occurs, I expect to get the price at the time sent, not confirmation. I think all the major Books do this, except Heritage.

[TheMoneyShot]

To be clear, I don't expect any Book to credit my account until after confirmation occurs (although Bovada does as you pointed out). But once confirmation occurs, I expect to get the price at the time sent, not confirmation. I think all the major Books do this, except Heritage.

Ah... I see your complaint now. I guess I'm just so use to Heritage doing that.

But I can't remember the last deposit I made like a Bookmaker or BetOnline... that was VERY LATE with the 1st confirmation. For example... let's say you were sending Bookmaker 3,000 and you missed that 15 minute rate window? Like I said... I don't remember the last deposit I made that wasn't credited (with 1st confirmation) let's just say in 3 hours? Do you think Bookmaker or BetOnline would still give you that price? I wouldn't know?

5Dimes was the last deposit I made... and it took forever because of their confirmation rules. I think it was 1 hour and 45 minutes? And they didn't give me the price quoted. If they accepted the 1st or 2nd confirmation.... would of had the deposit within 12 minutes. But... they suck at times. (They require 5-6 confirmations now... at least that's what my account stated.)

Again.... sorry to hear that you lost funds. Maybe Heritage Insider could do something for you?

[Optional]

Until yesterday, I didn't have an issue with my BTC transactions with Heritage. They always seemed to be w/i a few bucks either way. But I was disappointed when my $3000 deposit ($2999.34 confirmed at time sent) yesterday afternoon only resulted in $2924.75 getting credited to my account, a shorting of $75. I contacted Heritage live chat and later their email CS, and was told by both that they go by the time of confirmation--not the time sent. They also claim that this has always been the case, but that seems improbable given the price consistency of previous deposits. More likely this is the result of a recent change in how they treat BTC deposits.

By no means am I saying Heritage is intentionally shorting its clients. But they are now definitely forcing BTC currency risk on depositors. So understand that when you send a BTC deposit to them, don't expect to get what you sent. Instead you will have to sweat out the confirmation process, which could be several hours in some cases, and be forced to accept the price at that time. To my knowledge, Heritage is the only A+ Book not recognizing your BTC deposit at the time you submitted it. Great book, but a poor policy. Keep this in mind when you use bitcoin with them.

My $3000 BTC deposit address: 1LLpgwExsYQDxBXpt9mrpqXMJr1hJnFfFx

The amount credited to my acct:

148485532

4/6/2019 03:28PM

Customer Deposit

2,924.75

FYI, it did not get picked up by a miner for almost 3 hours.

Maybe they are using the first confirmation time now as many transfers are taking a lot longer suddenly. Just a guess.

[eaglesfan371]

I got screwed more than 10% on a deposit when bitcoin went from $4100 to $4900 in an hour. It did not receive a confirmation until it had reached $4900 so I was pissed af when that happened. It credited the deposit based on the $4100 yet in their rules it clearly states when confirmed.

Was on looselines, will never use them again after that BS.