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  • MASCOT JEFF
    SBR Rookie
    • 03-23-10
    • 11

    #1
    Beted Confiscated Winnings / Deleted Pending Wagers
    I am experienced gambler who lives in Las Vegas. I had an account with Beted for a couple of years without incident. A couple of months ago they reduced my limits to $25 making my account effectively closed. I still had pending futures which I just had to wait until the results posted and if I won I would withdraw the money. I recently got a new roommate and I recommended Beted to him. He opened an account and he made wagers for approximately 5 to 7 days placing all of his wagers over the internet. Some of the wagers were placed on his laptop and some on a desktop in the common living area of my condo. He placed approximately 10 to 12 wagers during this period. Knowing that he had the account he allowed me to place 2 wagers in his account over the phone with his account information. His account went from $1300 to $7958. After capturing the bonus he tried to make a withdraw and Beted said the account is now under investigation and this process could take up to 72 hours. Over one week later they responded by saying that his account was closed due to one account being allowed per household and his account deposit of $1300 would be refunded only. They said that we were colluding against them and the phone records / IP address prove this. In addition they deleted all of MY pending wagers including Lebron MVP, Durant Scoring Title, Mariners Pennant Winner, etc were wiped out of MY account. I had not placed a wager in over a month. I have placed wagers in other people's accounts in the past and vice versa. I have accounts with The Greek and Bookmaker. After this Beted incident I have since contacted The Greek and Bookmaker to find out what would happen if someone placed a bet in my account. They both told me that it is my responsibility to keep my account information confidential and if someone placed a bet in my account it would be the same as if I had placed the bet. I am new to posting on SBR but have read the forums for years and have never seen a complaint like the one that I am making so I never knew that this could happen. Due to the fact that I have never seen a confiscation of funds due to this on any posts to know what I was doing is not allowed and my account could be terminated as well as the policies of other offshore books I find this decision by Beted to be completely unreasonable for both myself and my roommate. Sbr rates Beted as B- which is defined as "Good, minimal risk to funds. Top 10% of all books." In Las Vegas if someone is kicked out of a book and someone places a bet for that person the bet is honored and new person may be kicked out also. They don't confiscate the ticket and not pay the winnings. This book is obviously looking for a reason not to pay their account holders. If you look at the terms and conditions at Beted they are different than other books. Other books have similar terms and conditions to one another and Beted has a few different terms in attempt to freeroll against their account holders when the conditions are met. This is obvious if you look at their forum regarding claims against them. Can someone at SBR get Beted to step up and pay the balance owed where risk was taken?? I am surrendering to SBR to uphold the rating that many of us depend on when making decisions regarding what books to use as well as the many upgrades this book has been given recently.

    Jeff
  • Dirty Sanchez
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-01-10
    • 16031

    #2
    If you're an "experienced" gambler you probably should of known better and stuck to the books listed above
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    • trixtrix
      Restricted User
      • 04-13-06
      • 1897

      #3
      this complaint has lot of ambiguity in it so i won't comment on the situation

      however beted w/ it's current/previous rep should not be a B rated company, that's apparent to everyone
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      • poker_dummy101
        Restricted User
        • 11-03-08
        • 6395

        #4
        You were trying to take advantage of the book and got caught.

        Also, try to use paragraphs.
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        • topgame85
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-30-08
          • 12325

          #5
          Common rule, sorry you got burned at least they are refunding your buddies deposit most shops wouldn't even do that
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          • BET THE HOOK
            SBR MVP
            • 02-16-09
            • 1947

            #6
            You should be paid I think but at the same time you should have let them know ahead of time that you and your roomate lived in the same house and used the same computer so they could give you prior approval. You will surely learn from this but they should pay you because they would have kept the funds if you lost the wagers for sure. They only investigated the account to find a reason not to pay.
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            • Chopsticks
              SBR MVP
              • 06-30-09
              • 1057

              #7
              (I added some paragraphs to your post Jeff.)
              Originally posted by MASCOT JEFF
              I am experienced gambler who lives in Las Vegas. I had an account with Beted for a couple of years without incident. A couple of months ago they reduced my limits to $25 making my account effectively closed. I still had pending futures which I just had to wait until the results posted and if I won I would withdraw the money.

              I recently got a new roommate and I recommended Beted to him. He opened an account and he made wagers for approximately 5 to 7 days placing all of his wagers over the internet. Some of the wagers were placed on his laptop and some on a desktop in the common living area of my condo. He placed approximately 10 to 12 wagers during this period. Knowing that he had the account he allowed me to place 2 wagers in his account over the phone with his account information. His account went from $1300 to $7958.

              After capturing the bonus he tried to make a withdraw and Beted said the account is now under investigation and this process could take up to 72 hours. Over one week later they responded by saying that his account was closed due to one account being allowed per household and his account deposit of $1300 would be refunded only. They said that we were colluding against them and the phone records / IP address prove this. In addition they deleted all of MY pending wagers including Lebron MVP, Durant Scoring Title, Mariners Pennant Winner, etc were wiped out of MY account. I had not placed a wager in over a month.

              I have placed wagers in other people's accounts in the past and vice versa. I have accounts with The Greek and Bookmaker. After this Beted incident I have since contacted The Greek and Bookmaker to find out what would happen if someone placed a bet in my account. They both told me that it is my responsibility to keep my account information confidential and if someone placed a bet in my account it would be the same as if I had placed the bet.

              I am new to posting on SBR but have read the forums for years and have never seen a complaint like the one that I am making so I never knew that this could happen. Due to the fact that I have never seen a confiscation of funds due to this on any posts to know what I was doing is not allowed and my account could be terminated as well as the policies of other offshore books I find this decision by Beted to be completely unreasonable for both myself and my roommate. Sbr rates Beted as B- which is defined as "Good, minimal risk to funds. Top 10% of all books." In Las Vegas if someone is kicked out of a book and someone places a bet for that person the bet is honored and new person may be kicked out also. They don't confiscate the ticket and not pay the winnings. This book is obviously looking for a reason not to pay their account holders.

              If you look at the terms and conditions at Beted they are different than other books. Other books have similar terms and conditions to one another and Beted has a few different terms in attempt to freeroll against their account holders when the conditions are met. This is obvious if you look at their forum regarding claims against them.

              Can someone at SBR get Beted to step up and pay the balance owed where risk was taken?? I am surrendering to SBR to uphold the rating that many of us depend on when making decisions regarding what books to use as well as the many upgrades this book has been given recently.

              Jeff
              I can understand that you asked TheGreek and Bookmaker what you did. But your question to them doesn't cover all the facts. If you had asked "So.. what would happen if someone were to log in to my account and place wagers? The person that did this is already banned/limited to pennies at TheGreek/Bookmaker. Oh, and there is a bonus involved, too." I am pretty sure they would have had a different answer than what you were given.

              - There was a bonus involved. Your friend was essentially given an extra edge that helped him build the balance to where it finally got to.
              - You admit to placing bets using your friends account, and from what I can understand BetED found out about this.

              Now.. I am pretty sure that BetED has a term that says "one account per household, shared ip, work place, school (blablabla)". It is possible to work around this with most bookies, but you have to notify them before setting up, or at the latest before submitting any wagers. If they did not have this term then a whole family could set up accounts and take their bonuses, which they obviously don't want to happen.

              You also said that you placed wagers using his account.. From a business point of view --- how can BetED know that you - a player that is essentially "banned" ($25 limits) wasn't the mastermind behind all the wagers? Afterall, you have already broken the t&c in regards to multiple accounts per household, and you openly admit to submitting wagers from an account that was not yours. Plus, there is a bonus involved, so you are essentially utilizing their money to try and beat them. So potential bonus abuse + a "banned" account holder opens a 2nd account to bypass his limits -- that is how it looks from their point of view.

              From their point of view I can understand that they are mad. They can't know for sure 100% what the facts are, but they have a set of rules that they work by. The refund of the deposit is a very harsh thing of them to do, and I really wish that they are willing to backtrack on this decision. Just be thankful that it isn't Dimeline or some other joke bookie that would have stolen the deposit no questions asked.

              As for what they did to your accout - that is just foul. Even if you "colluded", they would still have to honor those bets. The collusion (if any?) only happened after your account was limited to $25 per wager. Not that their action justifies anything from your part, obviously.

              When you recommended BetED to your friend you acted in good faith. You claim to have read these forums for years - and if that is the case I think it is fair to expect that you have read cases where multiple accounts/bonus abuse like this has happened. But if we look past that I think it is fair to say that you acted in good faith. You had an account with BetED "for years" and also had some nice future wagers, indicating that you were serious about having an account there and not just a hit and run gambler.

              It is very unfortunate what has happened and I have to feel bad for your friend who lost thousands due to this mess. BetED is certainly not the best bookie in the world, and unfortunately they have voided player winnings derived from faulty casino software and because of steam betting in the past (this case was resolvd in the player's favor).

              If you haven't already, you should submit a complaint. I think you have a case but it is gonna be hard to prove anything in regards to the activity from the account of your friend. But at the very least you should stand a decent chance of getting those future wagers back in action again.

              Let us know how it goes. I always liked BetED and I still play there a bit despite being limited to $25 there. Hopefully they are willing to work with you and your friend.

              Good luck!
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              • michael777
                SBR MVP
                • 09-20-05
                • 1936

                #8
                even though beted is scum,you should not be trying to scam them son
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                • BET THE HOOK
                  SBR MVP
                  • 02-16-09
                  • 1947

                  #9
                  I hope you get your winnings but they are probably gonna fight tooth and nail.
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                  • MASCOT JEFF
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 03-23-10
                    • 11

                    #10
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                    • MASCOT JEFF
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 03-23-10
                      • 11

                      #11
                      First of all I want to thank all of you for your input. I must say, though, that most of you live in a world that is not legitimate bookmaking. These bookmakers are being graded along the lines of street bookies and being supported by many of you as legitimate.

                      Players in Las Vegas put in bets for one another all of the time. I had a friend call me last night to place a bet for him. If Las Vegas were like this arena it would go something like this. If he were, hypothetically, not allowed to bet there I would have to tell my friend, "sorry can't do it. If they find out it is you they won't pay me and they will void all my future bets as losses." This would be an outrage here. I would not have people in betting circles telling me "sorry you got caught" or "it looks like you were scamming them."

                      I don't understand the bonus angle. My account has been inactive for over a month. No double bonuses here. If they want to confiscate my bonuses and/or Western Union fees I would have no problem with that as that is pennies relative to what they are doing.

                      Can someone tell me how to transfer my post to the complaint form and the Beted Forum? I do want to thank everyone for their input regarding this situation.
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                      • forsberg21
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-23-09
                        • 1851

                        #12
                        Jeff, just outta curiosity, what odds did you get on LeBron MVP and Durant Scoring Title???
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                        • Dark Horse
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-14-05
                          • 13764

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MASCOT JEFF
                          I must say, though, that most of you live in a world that is not legitimate bookmaking. These bookmakers are being graded along the lines of street bookies and being supported by many of you as legitimate.

                          Players in Las Vegas put in bets for one another all of the time.
                          First of all, I don't like Beted. But your angle is nothing new. What you're saying is this: 'I signed up under my friend's name, in order to cash in on a bonus'. Then you dress up the story a little, including a Vegas twist, to make it sound legit.

                          Given the steep profit curve for your friend's deposit, you probably bet one account against another and were unlucky to win at Beted.

                          Bonuses/the same household/the same computer are a big no-no in the offshore world. Now you know.
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                          • soxwin1917
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-09-08
                            • 1188

                            #14
                            Jeff, just fill out the complaint form and the SBR crew will take care of it.
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                            • Dark Horse
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-14-05
                              • 13764

                              #15
                              Your story sucks, but you could still make a case that Beted was taking a shot at you. It seems like they were monitoring this thing the whole way, because they froze the account as soon as you asked for a withdrawal (if I understand correctly). In other words, they knew all along, and were never going to pay those winnings, but they let it go because, as long as you didn't ask for a withdrawal, you could still lose the money. - Did I mention I didn't like Beted?
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                              • saintjames
                                Restricted User
                                • 09-19-09
                                • 747

                                #16
                                how is beted with those who bounce e-checks on them?
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                                • MASCOT JEFF
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 03-23-10
                                  • 11

                                  #17
                                  Lebron +250

                                  Durant +425
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                                  • MASCOT JEFF
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 03-23-10
                                    • 11

                                    #18
                                    Dark Horse. My account has a $25 limit. The bets placed in my friends account were in the $500 to $750 range. No manipulating of limits, bonuses, etc. You say same address, IP, etc is a big no-no in the industry but I have read the rules of all of the top books and see no mention of address, IP, etc.

                                    It is the Customers responsibility to keep their password secure. All wagers placed in the account will be binding. - The Greek

                                    This certainly doesn't imply if someone calls in a bet in your account you could be subject to severe penalties. I called them and Bookmaker and asked if someone called in a bet in my account and they said I would be responsible as if the bet was placed by me.

                                    What they are doing is street bookie stuff which seems to be the fantasyland that many of you live in. I have proved this by reading the terms and conditions of other books and see no mention of ONE ACCOUNT PER HOUSEHOLD.
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                                    • uva3021
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 03-01-07
                                      • 537

                                      #19
                                      All books have one account per household, and its not that hard to clear things up in case this happens.

                                      This happened to me with BetED when I asked a friend who also has an account there to login and place a few bets for me when I wasn't around. After I tried to make a withdrawal my account was suspended, I emailed and asked the reason and if there is anything I can do to remedy the situation. BetED helped me through the process of sending the required documents for me and my friend, basically standard issue ID validation documents, and everything right now is OK.

                                      From my experience BetED is solid and I still wager with them. Have for a few years now. They have overnights and sometimes soft lines, and having ECheck available for Deposit and Withdrawals is clutch
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                                      • andywend
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 05-20-07
                                        • 4805

                                        #20
                                        I am new to posting on SBR but have read the forums for years and have never seen a complaint like the one that I am making so I never knew that this could happen.
                                        Jeff, since you admit to reading these forums, I'm sure you have read about the numerous complaints filed against BetEd and the story is ALWAYS the same (BetEd constantly trying to cancel legitimate wagers).

                                        Why anyone would do business with BetEd after reading these forums is beyond me as they will use any excuse possible to avoid paying.

                                        The facts seem pretty clear and in this particular case, BetEd actually has a legitimate reason NOT to pay you.

                                        You were limited to $25 max and its pretty safe to assume it happened because you were beating them pretty good. You wanted to continue betting there so you had a friend open up an account with them.

                                        The mistake you made was having someone who lives with you open the account. Also, you admitted that you called them and placed a wager pretending to be your friend which pretty much means you controlled both accounts.

                                        You tried to circumvent the lowered maximum placed on your account and got caught. An A+ book like the Greek or Bookmaker would honor all the bets, pay the winnings and then close both accounts. They would probably include a warning that if you try to open up another account, they will keep all monies.

                                        Unfortunately for you, BetEd is nowhere near an A+ book and I believe the chances are very strong they will NOT honor the winning bets you made. They have taken this stance on cases where far less "wrong" was done.

                                        I have never even logged onto BetEd but it appears they have some very soft lines as people continue to gamble there even though they know getting paid is very difficult.

                                        When you placed those bets at the regular limits on your friends account, you knew full well you were trying to get around the limit reduction imposed on your account.

                                        Therefore, its clear you don't have "clean hands" in this case.
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                                        • Dark Horse
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 12-14-05
                                          • 13764

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MASCOT JEFF
                                          Dark Horse. My account has a $25 limit. The bets placed in my friends account were in the $500 to $750 range. No manipulating of limits, bonuses, etc. You say same address, IP, etc is a big no-no in the industry but I have read the rules of all of the top books and see no mention of address, IP, etc.

                                          It is the Customers responsibility to keep their password secure. All wagers placed in the account will be binding. - The Greek

                                          This certainly doesn't imply if someone calls in a bet in your account you could be subject to severe penalties. I called them and Bookmaker and asked if someone called in a bet in my account and they said I would be responsible as if the bet was placed by me.

                                          What they are doing is street bookie stuff which seems to be the fantasyland that many of you live in. I have proved this by reading the terms and conditions of other books and see no mention of ONE ACCOUNT PER HOUSEHOLD.

                                          I agree mostly. It shouldn't make any difference to a bookmaker who places the bet. If they offer a bet, and someone takes it, it's the same bet regardless of who took it. But Beted limited you, so they told you loud and clear that it does matter to them. You didn't take no for an answer, and then allowed them to set you up, where you should have walked away.

                                          You also mentioned accounts at Bookmaker and Olympic. So you seem to have better knowledge of the offshore world than you're letting on. This whole fantasyland angle is a little overdone (and Vegas certainly limits players as well).

                                          They limited you. And you wanted to get around those limits. Then they took a shot at you. That's the problem. Jungle law, kangaroo court. I believe they owe you the money, minus the bonus, but if this was a reputable book this issue would have never arisen. So now you want to have an honest conversation with a book that is dishonest. Good luck with that.

                                          Do a search for sexygamblerchick. A US girl placing bets for a sharp player in CR. Classic thread. Beted found some technicality by which they could 'legally' steal the money. (this was around the same time that they bought their way up to the number one spot at covers, where they have resided since...)
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                                          • MBENZ
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 01-07-07
                                            • 5238

                                            #22
                                            Is BetEd tied in with YouWager?I thought everytime I got a flyer from YW,BetEd was in it.If so this doesn't sound like a Fidelity move.
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                                            • HedgeHog
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 09-11-07
                                              • 10128

                                              #23
                                              It seems that shots were taken on both sides. Player opened a second account after being limited which is wrong, but BetEd shouldn't have canceled winning futures. It'll be interesting to see SBR's take on this. Regardless, BetEd is not a B- Book (C- at best).
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                                              • SBR Lou
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 08-02-07
                                                • 37863

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                                It seems that shots were taken on both sides. Player opened a second account after being limited which is wrong, but BetEd shouldn't have canceled winning futures. It'll be interesting to see SBR's take on this. Regardless, BetEd is not a B- Book (C- at best).
                                                Jeff,

                                                I'd suggest filing a sportsbook complaint form.
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                                                • HedgeHog
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 09-11-07
                                                  • 10128

                                                  #25
                                                  Just my 2 cents, but I think there's an obvious resolution. The second account grossly violated the single IP rule, so BetEd did the right thing in returning only the deposit to the "friend". However, the first account should be allowed to keep its plays. BetEd was wrong to void wagers on the initial and legit account. Pay the 2 winning futures and boot the cheater.
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                                                  • skrtelfan
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 10-09-08
                                                    • 1913

                                                    #26
                                                    Regardless of the multiple accounts thing, there's no reason to void pending futures that were bet before the multiple accounts issue.
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                                                    • Dark Horse
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 12-14-05
                                                      • 13764

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                                      Just my 2 cents, but I think there's an obvious resolution. The second account grossly violated the single IP rule, so BetEd did the right thing in returning only the deposit to the "friend". However, the first account should be allowed to keep its plays. BetEd was wrong to void wagers on the initial and legit account. Pay the 2 winning futures and boot the cheater.
                                                      Beted seemed to have known the nature of the second account, but let it go until the player asked for a payout.

                                                      How is that OK?

                                                      If the 'friend' had lost his money, they would have been fine with it. You know the term for that.

                                                      Why don't they block the account when they realize the problem? Why wait until the players wants his money? Not acceptable, regardless of the 'gross' violation, which isn't so gross when the bonus is wiped off the table. It wasn't the best idea, but it was a natural reaction to a very low limit the book forced on him. If they didn't want his action, why didn't they just close his account instead of insulting him with a $25 limit?

                                                      Sleazy book at best. They know how to play the technicalities in their favor, but it's still stealing money. 20K owed to sexygamblerchick, and now 7K to this guy. That's a reasonably good car, stolen from gamblers who risked their money.
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                                                      • BigdaddyQH
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 07-13-09
                                                        • 19530

                                                        #28
                                                        Just a quick question here. If you live in Vegas, why did you not simly go to one of the 85 or so books and place your wagers with them? You certainly are not wagering a lot of money, as far as wagers in Vegas go.

                                                        You can try filing complaints, bu this does not bode well for you. You admit to using someone elses acount to place wagers, and that is pretty daming evidence. Good luck, and next time, stick to the Vegas books, where you do not get all of this hassle.
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                                                        • HedgeHog
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 09-11-07
                                                          • 10128

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                                          Beted seemed to have known the nature of the second account, but let it go until the player asked for a payout.

                                                          How is that OK?

                                                          If the 'friend' had lost his money, they would have been fine with it. You know the term for that.

                                                          Why don't they block the account when they realize the problem? Why wait until the players wants his money? Not acceptable, regardless of the 'gross' violation, which isn't so gross when the bonus is wiped off the table. It wasn't the best idea, but it was a natural reaction to a very low limit the book forced on him. If they didn't want his action, why didn't they just close his account instead of insulting him with a $25 limit?

                                                          Sleazy book at best. They know how to play the technicalities in their favor, but it's still stealing money. 20K owed to sexygamblerchick, and now 7K to this guy. That's a reasonably good car, stolen from gamblers who risked their money.
                                                          Agree about BetEd being a below average Book, but the player in both cases took a shot. Sexgamblerchick, who was actually a lying dude, bet from Costa Rica which is illegal in their country. Beted would have been breaking the law to honor in-country bets--and SGC knew it. Similarly, the OP in this thread was limited on his own account, so he started another--which goes against the rules of nearly all Books and he admitted to doing it. No way does he win $7k at his current $25 limit. BTW, I doubt BetEd knew about the 2nd account until a payout was requested. So, yes, I think BetEd is mostly right in both cases, except they owe this OP his future winners on his first account.
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                                                          • Chuck Sims
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-29-05
                                                            • 3072

                                                            #30
                                                            MASCOT JEFF, Your stupidity is alarming. If the garbage book known as BetED limited you to $25, then you are done with that book. For you to get your buddy to open an account there and start making bets for you on the same computer is assinine.

                                                            Why you did not open an account somewhere else is puzzling. What was it that made BetED so attractive?
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                                                            • Jrod124
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 10-31-09
                                                              • 5622

                                                              #31
                                                              exactly if u are a long time gambler, why on earth with u play at BetEd? Terrible shop
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                                                              • Climate
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 01-22-07
                                                                • 345

                                                                #32
                                                                Bottom line, with these type of books, you have to play straight as an arrow. Once you start beating them for four figures or more, (sometimes it doesn't even matter the amount), they will look for, and/or find any reason not to pay you.

                                                                You made a rookie mistake IMO, and you are paying the price for it. You should have known better.

                                                                Do you deserve to get paid? I think so, but you know the nature of these guys. Most books have 0 tolerance for shared IPs, addresses, etc., especially when bonuses are involved.
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                                                                • big joe 1212
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 06-01-08
                                                                  • 19380

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I formed an opinion after the first few sentences!

                                                                  You said they limited you to $25, but then you refer a friend????? You could not find a bettor book out there to refer him to??

                                                                  Sounds like you tried to fool Beted and got caught. How could someone be so stupid to use the same IP?


                                                                  There are plenty of solid books out there! There was no need to keep using Beted!
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                                                                  • Dark Horse
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 12-14-05
                                                                    • 13764

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Chuck Sims
                                                                    Why you did not open an account somewhere else is puzzling. What was it that made BetED so attractive?
                                                                    Haven't played there, but heard that their lines are soft/slow moving.



                                                                    In this case, issues are mixed together that are better viewed separately. When I first read about the multiple accounts, I too considered it a red flag, and that was the end of that. But it's not so simple.

                                                                    If this were a legal sports betting environment, the book could not get away with this interpretation of the rules. They clearly free rolled the player. He did not cheat them. He only wanted higher limits. The book can not retroactively cancel those bets. It always had the benefit of the juice. (And remember that the book also cashed in on the other side of the bets). It can kick him out again, and improve its security to detect dual accounts earlier (my own impression of Beted is that they knew all along and decided to let it play out).

                                                                    As to the violation of the multiple account rule -which the player states Beted does not mention on its website!)-, isn't that in place mainly to prevent bonus scamming? Bonuses handed out by this book do not excede 250 bucks, so the level of potential bonus scamming is minimal. Here it would be 1/28th of 7K.

                                                                    The player did not win money through the bonus, which is given after the rollover is met by this book (if I understand the Beted website correctly). Instead, Beted uses a rule, widely understood to be in place to prevent bonus scamming, to steal from a player. And the amount stolen is much greater than the amount they could have lost through the non-existing bonus scam.

                                                                    Only if it is widely understood, throughout the online gambling community, that the multiple accounts rule is in place to prevent players from placing bets greater than $25, or any absurdly low amount, is Beted in the right. If, on the other hand, this particular interpretation of that rule is new to most experienced players, then Beted is wrong, and should pay the player his winnings.

                                                                    Bottomline. Circumventing limits is a completely different issue than bonus scamming.

                                                                    I really hope that SBR will not rule in favor of this book. They are using a rule not to prevent fraud, but to benefit themselves.
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                                                                    • HedgeHog
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 09-11-07
                                                                      • 10128

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I hope that SBR does find for the Book, except for 2 future bets on the legit account-- which should stand. A few years back I was paid in full by BetEd and limited to $10 bets. If I was stupid enough to start another account and continued to bet, I would expect to have my profits deleted. I took the hint and left. No way should this guy profit from his lame attempt to deceit.
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