1. 01-28-10 11:50 AM #1
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    Best Euro books for pros

    If you are pro player in US , you play in Bookmaker, Greek and Matchbook. Those are the books that will not kick you out or lower your limits when you win consistently.
    Any others? Diamond maybe but it is no wise to play in 2 Chris books at the same time. Jazz? Youwager? Last 2 both say they like pro business but their pockets and patience may be shorter than you think.

    Anyway. Is there any pro book in Europe besides Pinny and William Hill? Euro books are really paranoid about sharp pro business and they limit you quickly. Any thoughts on that matter? Centerbet, Nine, BetFair?

    Thanks
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  2. 01-28-10 11:55 AM #2
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    sbobet. betfair is an exchange. not sure why you think willhill accepts pros...
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  3. 01-28-10 12:36 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf71 View Post

    Anyway. Is there any pro book in Europe besides Pinny and William Hill? Euro books are really paranoid about sharp pro business and they limit you quickly. Any thoughts on that matter? Centerbet, Nine, BetFair?

    Centrebet is not a european bookmaker and they do limit winning players.
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  4. 01-28-10 12:40 PM #4
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    Nine? Lol
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  5. 01-28-10 01:27 PM #5
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    There are no European bookmakers that could be considered ´pro´ books. With that said, Europeans do have a much wider range of outs than US players do. The most common would be:

    Betfair (European exchange)
    Pinnacle
    SBOBet (Asian soccer specialist)
    IBCBet (ditto)
    Betdaq (second tier exchange).

    The big UK books (Ladbrokes, William Hill and Coral) do allow a small number of professional players to stay at reasonable limits. This helps them to shape their lines.

    Ultimately pro players all look for the same things no matter where they are i.e., decent limits, low juice and/or soft/slow moving lines.
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  6. 01-28-10 05:19 PM #6
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    Unibet and Partybets are the best european books for pro´s.
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  7. 01-28-10 05:23 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunder View Post
    There are no European bookmakers that could be considered ´pro´ books. With that said, Europeans do have a much wider range of outs than US players do. The most common would be:

    Betfair (European exchange)
    Pinnacle
    SBOBet (Asian soccer specialist)
    IBCBet (ditto)
    Betdaq (second tier exchange).

    The big UK books (Ladbrokes, William Hill and Coral) do allow a small number of professional players to stay at reasonable limits. This helps them to shape their lines.

    Ultimately pro players all look for the same things no matter where they are i.e., decent limits, low juice and/or soft/slow moving lines.
    Coral is a great book. 5 minutes time delay and a maximum stake of 0.01 Euro.
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  8. 01-28-10 05:52 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam View Post
    Coral is a great book. 5 minutes time delay and a maximum stake of 0.01 Euro.
    There you go with that sarcasm again.

    I didn´t last long with Coral online but I have yet to be cut by Eurobet and I have three Coral shops within a 20 minute drive if they have a really juicy offer.
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  9. 01-28-10 05:56 PM #9
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    Will Hill is NOT a pro book. But they are safe and secure. They pay quickly and are one of the best Euro books out there!
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  10. 01-28-10 06:07 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunder View Post
    There you go with that sarcasm again.

    I didn´t last long with Coral online but I have yet to be cut by Eurobet and I have three Coral shops within a 20 minute drive if they have a really juicy offer.
    You drive 20 minutes to place a bet? Wow
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  11. 01-28-10 07:24 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam View Post
    You drive 20 minutes to place a bet? Wow
    I would say that 1% of the bets I place are in person in a shop. If Coral, Ladbrokes, Hills or Paddy Power have the best line (I have no worthwhile limits online) then sure I will drive as long as I can combine the journey with something else.

    I am banned from the local Betfred.
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  12. 01-28-10 08:04 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam View Post
    Unibet and Partybets are the best european books for pro´s.
    Both of those same as the rest ... they reduced limits to the extent it was no longer worthwhile me maintaining an account with them.

    And Partybets are cheats. Check their rule for settling tennis sets bets if the match is incomplete. They take your stake if you're out of the money but don't pay any who are in the money when the match is abandoned.
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  13. 01-28-10 08:06 PM #13
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    If your a winning player they will reduce your limits period. Now if you play poker partybets will be slower to reduce your limits but will limit you. You have to stay under the radar with the euro books.
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  14. 01-29-10 07:03 AM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam View Post
    Unibet and Partybets are the best european books for pro´s.

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  15. 01-29-10 07:16 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunder View Post
    I would say that 1% of the bets I place are in person in a shop. If Coral, Ladbrokes, Hills or Paddy Power have the best line (I have no worthwhile limits online) then sure I will drive as long as I can combine the journey with something else.

    I am banned from the local Betfred.
    what kind of limits do the shops have, and you could also get somebody to place the bet for you , must be nice to have actual shops near you
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  16. 01-29-10 07:58 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by thespeculator View Post
    what kind of limits do the shops have, and you could also get somebody to place the bet for you , must be nice to have actual shops near you
    Limits vary depending on the sport/league etc. but you can generally get GBP 500 or so down in each shop/branch. Yes you can use runners too but if detected you will be booted.

    The UK is quite unique in this respect, a bookies office is a high street staple, just like a bank or a bakers´ shop. They are, however aimed at the recreational side of the market, just liike the online operations.
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  17. 01-29-10 10:08 AM #17
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    I used Patty power for live in game NBA last night and was impressed.

    They do 11/10 lines in running. That is better than any book I have found except Pinnacle. Their "quick bet 25/50/100" feature is nice. Fast, efficent. I got to "100" bets in and approved in under 30 seconds (was the quarter break).

    I was using Ladbrokes previously, but not only have they cut my limits to silly amounts for live, they won't tell me on a scroll over what the silly amount is since they got their new software. Like what is the point......
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  18. 01-29-10 04:30 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by 20Four7 View Post
    If your a winning player they will reduce your limits period. Now if you play poker partybets will be slower to reduce your limits but will limit you. You have to stay under the radar with the euro books.
    Of course they limit you, but not to cents.
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  19. 01-29-10 04:31 PM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanman View Post
    Please let us know your best european books vanman before you die laughing
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  20. 02-05-10 06:27 PM #20
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    you are a great poster vanman

    PS:
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  21. 02-05-10 09:07 PM #21
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    betfair(exchange) willhill is good and i dont think they will limit you...all the other unibet Ladbrokes etc will limit you partybet has bad odds
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  22. 02-06-10 12:40 AM #22
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    Yes! I agree with u! If u want to bet big amount, for sure it's would be BetFair!
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  23. 02-07-10 02:18 PM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam View Post
    Please let us know your best european books vanman before you die laughing
    Best books for people in the UK/Europe

    Pinny
    Betfair
    SBObet
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  24. 02-07-10 02:37 PM #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirmiroa View Post
    betfair(exchange) willhill is good and i dont think they will limit you...
    Willhill limit to pennies, as do all Euro books.

    The only books worth using are pinnies, matchbook, ibcbet and sbobet. Even betfair are a no-no with premium charge now.
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  25. 02-07-10 02:54 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanman View Post
    Best books for people in the UK/Europe

    Pinny
    Betfair
    SBObet
    OK, A misunderstanding. I Thought about European books. Pinny is american, betfair an exchange and Sbo an asian book
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  26. 02-07-10 06:22 PM #26
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    sbobet and 188bet are asian bookies but they are regulated and registered at Isle of Man making them also european in a way I guess
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  27. 02-07-10 06:44 PM #27
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    mostly euro site s****, they lower your limit as much as they wanted to
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  28. 02-08-10 09:13 AM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam View Post
    OK, A misunderstanding. I Thought about European books. Pinny is american, betfair an exchange and Sbo an asian book

    There isn`t a good Euro book,they are all a pile of shite.
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  29. 02-08-10 09:30 AM #29
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    All euro books will limit you to zero maximum stake if you win large amounts or if you bet smart or if you bet singles only.
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  30. 02-08-10 10:49 AM #30
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    I will add my 2 cents and say ladbrokes is one of the best for me..then again I am not a professional bettor, quick payouts and great CS
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  31. 02-08-10 12:10 PM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by siabdo23 View Post
    I will add my 2 cents and say ladbrokes is one of the best for me..then again I am not a professional bettor, quick payouts and great CS
    They are fine until you start winning a lot or playing slow moving, market high lines there.
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