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  • RMoney22
    SBR High Roller
    • 12-11-15
    • 124

    #1
    Bovada BTC Deposit! Shady?
    ive been depositing at Bovada using BTC for a few months now. Every time, until today, ive received the amount that I sent them. Today, I sent them $1000.08 which shows on the Blockchain that amount. They put $950.11 in my account. The first guy tells me it was a "fee" my wallet created so thats why I didn't receive the full amount. Second guy told me that its because BTC went down. He told me they used a rate of $47,000 for BTC. BTC hasn't been even close to $47,000 around 1pm EST. Can someone tell me if I'm missing something or is this kind of shady on Bovada's part?? I feel like they're lying to me. Any help would be appreciated
  • PD77
    SBR MVP
    • 12-11-09
    • 2381

    #2
    I don’t use Bovada but from what I can tell, all books use processors for crypto and most, if not ALL give you the worst conversion rate possible. Even if the price goes up the best you can get is your send amount. Same thing with withdrawals, it’s shady as hell but there’s not much you can do about it. You’re basically getting free rolled on deposits and withdrawals. There are no wallet fees, guy made that up. It’s more the processors than the actual books but the books could put a stop to it. How soon they forget they used to pay the fees for west uni and $gram.
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    • RMoney22
      SBR High Roller
      • 12-11-15
      • 124

      #3
      Originally posted by PD77
      I don’t use Bovada but from what I can tell, all books use processors for crypto and most, if not ALL give you the worst conversion rate possible. Even if the price goes up the best you can get is your send amount. Same thing with withdrawals, it’s shady as hell but there’s not much you can do about it. You’re basically getting free rolled on deposits and withdrawals. There are no wallet fees, guy made that up. It’s more the processors than the actual books but the books could put a stop to it. How soon they forget they used to pay the fees for west uni and $gram.

      Thanks for your reply! You’re exactly right. I can’t see Bovada saying “hey BTC went up so we’re going to credit your deposit correctly!” But I just got off the phone with them and they’re trying to screw me. Like you said, the fee excuse was a load of crap. Then they tried to tell me it was BTC went down. He told me that at the time of my deposit, BTC was $47,000. Lol. Not even close. Once I called him out for that, he said he would credit my account to Make up for my trouble. That being said, people need to look at this stuff and make sure they’re not getting screwed.
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      • Optional
        Administrator
        • 06-10-10
        • 60711

        #4
        Originally posted by PD77
        I don’t use Bovada but from what I can tell, all books use processors for crypto and most, if not ALL give you the worst conversion rate possible. Even if the price goes up the best you can get is your send amount. Same thing with withdrawals, it’s shady as hell but there’s not much you can do about it. You’re basically getting free rolled on deposits and withdrawals. There are no wallet fees, guy made that up. It’s more the processors than the actual books but the books could put a stop to it. How soon they forget they used to pay the fees for west uni and $gram.
        Why comment with this load of BS if you do not even use them to know?

        You're wrong.

        As the OP said Bovada have zero fees and credit amounts that almost never get queried.


        The only reason we ever see posters complaining about Bovada and bitcoin is from people who used such a low fee it took a long time to confirm.



        @RMoney, please post the TX id or blockchain link to it and let's confirm the situation for you before jumping to conclusions.
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        • PD77
          SBR MVP
          • 12-11-09
          • 2381

          #5
          Originally posted by Optional
          Why comment with this load of BS if you do not even use them to know?

          You're wrong.

          As the OP said Bovada have zero fees and credit amounts that almost never get queried.


          The only reason we ever see posters complaining about Bovada and bitcoin is from people who used such a low fee it took a long time to confirm.



          @RMoney, please post the TX id or blockchain link to it and let's confirm the situation for you before jumping to conclusions.
          My apologies, Optional is correct, in the highly regulated world of offshore gambling, processors would never think of skimming deposits for fear of financial punishment from industry regulators. Processors would never skim deposits because if they did there would be countless threads and posts on gambling forums complaining about processors skimming deposits. Never forget, after you send your BTC deposit to a sportsbook, the price of BTC only goes down. 100% , every time.
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          • milwaukee mike
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 08-22-07
            • 26914

            #6
            i had a withdrawal get processed at an impossible price back on monday

            not a huge deal but also shows something isn't right

            $1000 withdrawal 11:04 eastern on monday, btc was between 45900-46000 from request of withdrawal to payment, and yet they paid me based on an impossible amount of 47,700

            Transaction QGBLNPP-LSCRZS-B4ZEFL
            Deposit



            AMOUNT
            0.02095450 BTC

            FEE
            0.00000 BTC

            STATUS
            Success

            Type

            Deposit

            Ref-ID

            QGBLNPP-LSCRZS-B4ZEFL

            Transaction ID

            1cefc4d339af...5dbf24eb97cf




            Asset

            Bitcoin BTC

            Date

            12-20-2021 10:04:52 -06:00

            Address

            3Lxv5yDyTzLC...epKXyCkxPvpk





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            • RMoney22
              SBR High Roller
              • 12-11-15
              • 124

              #7
              Originally posted by Optional
              Why comment with this load of BS if you do not even use them to know?

              You're wrong.

              As the OP said Bovada have zero fees and credit amounts that almost never get queried.


              The only reason we ever see posters complaining about Bovada and bitcoin is from people who used such a low fee it took a long time to confirm.



              @RMoney, please post the TX id or blockchain link to it and let's confirm the situation for you before jumping to conclusions.
              They actually credited my account with a credit for my troubles. yOu can delete this post if needed
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              • RMoney22
                SBR High Roller
                • 12-11-15
                • 124

                #8
                Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                i had a withdrawal get processed at an impossible price back on monday

                not a huge deal but also shows something isn't right

                $1000 withdrawal 11:04 eastern on monday, btc was between 45900-46000 from request of withdrawal to payment, and yet they paid me based on an impossible amount of 47,700

                Transaction QGBLNPP-LSCRZS-B4ZEFL
                Deposit



                AMOUNT
                0.02095450 BTC

                FEE
                0.00000 BTC

                STATUS
                Success

                Type

                Deposit

                Ref-ID

                QGBLNPP-LSCRZS-B4ZEFL

                Transaction ID

                1cefc4d339af...5dbf24eb97cf




                Asset

                Bitcoin BTC

                Date

                12-20-2021 10:04:52 -06:00

                Address

                3Lxv5yDyTzLC...epKXyCkxPvpk





                https://mempool.space/tx/1cefc4d339a...d15dbf24eb97cf
                Have you talked to anyone on the phone? They stated $47,000 to me, but BTC didn't even come close around 1pm EST today. After talking to several people, they made it right.
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                • milwaukee mike
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 08-22-07
                  • 26914

                  #9
                  Originally posted by RMoney22
                  Have you talked to anyone on the phone? They stated $47,000 to me, but BTC didn't even come close around 1pm EST today. After talking to several people, they made it right.
                  for $40 i don't really care to waste my time talking to them

                  i pointed it out in the other bovada thread, just to document it

                  now it seems like more of a broken calculator issue on their end
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                  • RMoney22
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 12-11-15
                    • 124

                    #10
                    Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                    for $40 i don't really care to waste my time talking to them

                    i pointed it out in the other bovada thread, just to document it

                    now it seems like more of a broken calculator issue on their end
                    Gotcha.
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                    • DontTailMe
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-24-19
                      • 2897

                      #11
                      Originally posted by PD77
                      My apologies, Optional is correct, in the highly regulated world of offshore gambling, processors would never think of skimming deposits for fear of financial punishment from industry regulators. Processors would never skim deposits because if they did there would be countless threads and posts on gambling forums complaining about processors skimming deposits. Never forget, after you send your BTC deposit to a sportsbook, the price of BTC only goes down. 100% , every time.
                      He actually is correct here. I've had about 50 deposits and close to 100 payouts at Bovada over the past 5 years and never had an issue with being shorted in bitcoin by them. And none of my friends have either. Even OP admits that he hasn't had an issue up to now in his first post. I don't know what the problem is with this transaction, but we should probably find that out rather than make generalizations like this.

                      And the customer service rep was just being stupid, which is par for the course in this industry. It doesn't necessarily indicate malice. I'm not saying it's right, but it's probably just a reflexive answer in cases such as this because they're often dealing with customers who don't understand why their bitcoin sent =/= bitcoin received (fees + fluctuation).
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                      • DontTailMe
                        SBR MVP
                        • 03-24-19
                        • 2897

                        #12
                        Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                        i had a withdrawal get processed at an impossible price back on monday

                        not a huge deal but also shows something isn't right
                        Interesting. I just had a payout this week and it was perfect. I obviously believe you though. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
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                        • milwaukee mike
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 08-22-07
                          • 26914

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DontTailMe
                          Interesting. I just had a payout this week and it was perfect. I obviously believe you though. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
                          i had another one today that was fine... like you i never had an issue, and then right after the downtime i got shaved 4% or so when btc was totally stable

                          i'm guessing it was some kind of system error rather than something intentional
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                          • Optional
                            Administrator
                            • 06-10-10
                            • 60711

                            #14
                            Originally posted by PD77

                            My apologies, Optional is correct, in the highly regulated world of offshore gambling, processors would never think of skimming deposits for fear of financial punishment from industry regulators. Processors would never skim deposits because if they did there would be countless threads and posts on gambling forums complaining about processors skimming deposits. Never forget, after you send your BTC deposit to a sportsbook, the price of BTC only goes down. 100% , every time.
                            Passive aggressive enough?

                            Got any answer to why you would say it about Bovada at all??

                            I thought not.
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                            • Optional
                              Administrator
                              • 06-10-10
                              • 60711

                              #15
                              Originally posted by RMoney22

                              They actually credited my account with a credit for my troubles. yOu can delete this post if needed
                              Good to hear.
                              .
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388189

                                #16
                                All this is the cost of doing business remember there’s no taxes on this
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                                • Headsterx
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 12-03-16
                                  • 22390

                                  #17
                                  Yesterday, I made (3) deposits of about $20, $30, and $50to get their holiday free spins for each btc deposit. Didn’t pay attention to the exact amounts that were deposited into my Bovada account, but today just received $3.33 “crypto deposit owed.”
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                                  • milwaukee mike
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 08-22-07
                                    • 26914

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Headsterx
                                    Yesterday, I made (3) deposits of about $20, $30, and $50to get their holiday free spins for each btc deposit. Didn’t pay attention to the exact amounts that were deposited into my Bovada account, but today just received $3.33 “crypto deposit owed.”
                                    they just made my withdrawal shortfall right as well

                                    classy move... as i suspected it was just some kind of calculation error, since it was way out of character for them

                                    12/24/211:27 PM Crypto Withdrawal Owed +$34.22
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                                    • DontTailMe
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 03-24-19
                                      • 2897

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                      All this is the cost of doing business remember there’s no taxes on this
                                      What the hell are you talking about? It's not a necessary cost of doing business. 90% of offshore books don't short on payout. We know the ones which do, and they can be avoided...and repeatedly shamed on the Internet for their shitty ways. There's no need to accept that kind of BS.

                                      With that being said, Bovada is in the "good" column.
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                                      • RMoney22
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 12-11-15
                                        • 124

                                        #20
                                        Just thought I’d let everyone know that I received an email from Bovada stating they found a discrepancy in my deposit. They credited me with the Difference. I was going to post a SS of the email, but I’m unable to post photos. I would highly suggest that people check their deposits just to make sure they were credited correctly! Good luck everyone
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                                        • MarkMakers
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 11-17-19
                                          • 181

                                          #21
                                          Got an email yesterday informing me of a crypto credit to my account due to a discrepancy in the crypto exchange rate used on a recent deposit.

                                          ​I appreciate BOVADA being forthcoming regarding the error.
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