Offshore books can free roll you with postponed games in teasers

[bshimmy]

I realize that this is totally within their right since they have it stated in their rules. However, sometimes we can't be fully aware of all the possibilities and interactions between the rules. With NFL games being postponed this week and possibly more in advanced, it leaves you open to getting freerolled by them on games. Postponed games get graded as no action or cancelled (same as a push), but when this happens in 2 team teasers it can penetrate you.
Let's say that you have a 2 team teaser:
Game 1 - regular and still going on
Game 2 - postponed
Heritage Sports (and any other book with these rules) are now freerolling your bet. If Game 1 wins, then the teaser goes down as a push, if Game 1 wins then you lose your bet.
In an ideal world, they would push your bet whether you win or lose Game 1, or they would remove game 2 from your teaser and leave it as an open teaser for you to fill out. Also, we can protect ourselves from this by not betting on games too far in advanced.

Just wanted to remind my fellow degens of these rules.

[bookie]

What exactly does the rule say?

[DontTailMe]

Huh? How can they freeroll you? The rule should say exactly how the postponed game is handled. What am I missing? I think we need more details.

[bshimmy]

What exactly does the rule say?

Postponed games:
Any postponed, suspended, or rescheduled events will be considered no action. Overtime periods are counted in the final score of both college and professional games. For second-half wagers, overtime is included as part of the second-half for sides and totals wagers. Overtime is not included on wagers for fourth quarter sides or totals. For wagering purposes the game must go at least 55 minutes of play.


To reiterate what I said in the original post, they're not doing anything that doesn't abide their rules. I just don't like the rule and want to warn people about it.

[Optional]

You are correct that if one match in a 2 team teaser is cancelled, the other leg must win for you to get paid money back.


I think more offshore books have this rule as standard than do not. And have for many many years.

With covid and cancellations people have noticed it more often.

[Frank]

A loss/PPD should be a loss.

A win/PPD should be dropped down to the equivalent of a 1 team teaser.

A reasonable book should know how to calculate this to be fair.

Shame on them for this.

That's a bullshit rule that I wouldn't expect from normally fair and classy book like Heritage.

[HedgeHog]

From my experience with Heritage, a push (cancel) on one leg in a two team teaser results in the entire bet being canceled regardless of the result of the other leg. Has that changed recently?

[HedgeHog]

You are correct that if one match in a 2 team teaser is cancelled, the other leg must win for you to get paid money back.



I think more offshore books have this rule as standard than do not. And have for many many years.

With covid and cancellations people have noticed it more often.

That's the exact definition of a freeroll! Through no fault of the bettor, a covid cancellation puts the book in a no lose situation--they either win or tie. Surprised you still don't get this distinction. A Push/Tie is NOT the same thing as a canceled/postponed contest.

[Frank]

That's the exact definition of a freeroll! Through no fault of the bettor, a covid cancellation puts the book in a no lose situation--they either win or tie. Surprised you still don't get this distinction. A Push/Tie is NOT the same thing as a canceled/postponed contest.

Exactly.

Just like with free plays, a PPD game would be returned to your free play balance, while a push would not.

[LT Profits]

From my experience with Heritage, a push (cancel) on one leg in a two team teaser results in the entire bet being canceled regardless of the result of the other leg. Has that changed recently?

THIS for Heritage.

"If one selection loses, the teaser is considered a loss; except on a two team teaser if one team ties the wager is a "push" regardless if the other team wins or loses."

Where does it say that a No Action is handled differently than a Push?

[LT Profits]

That's the exact definition of a freeroll! Through no fault of the bettor, a covid cancellation puts the book in a no lose situation--they either win or tie. Surprised you still don't get this distinction. A Push/Tie is NOT the same thing as a canceled/postponed contest.

I get the distinction but I can't find it in their rules where a No Action is not treated the same as a push for teaser purposes.

[gilbert91016]

This is a wager on which 2 to 15 teams are selected together in one bet with an adjusted point spread. In a teaser you can add points in your favor on sides and totals, and combine them all, even if it’s on the same game.

If one selection loses, the teaser is considered a loss; except on a two team teaser if one team ties the wager is a "push" regardless if the other team wins or loses.

A 2-team Open Teaser with a loss, cannot be filled, and IS A LOSS.

Any 3 team teaser or greater than 3 teams with a push will revert to the next lowest number of teams payout. If a teaser has no payout in the next lowest number of teams and such teaser has a push or cancellation, it will be graded as no action.

[LT Profits]

This is a wager on which 2 to 15 teams are selected together in one bet with an adjusted point spread. In a teaser you can add points in your favor on sides and totals, and combine them all, even if it’s on the same game.

If one selection loses, the teaser is considered a loss; except on a two team teaser if one team ties the wager is a "push" regardless if the other team wins or loses.

A 2-team Open Teaser with a loss, cannot be filled, and IS A LOSS.

Any 3 team teaser or greater than 3 teams with a push will revert to the next lowest number of teams payout. If a teaser has no payout in the next lowest number of teams and such teaser has a push or cancellation, it will be graded as no action.

This sounds like PPD + Loss = Push since "push or cancellation" means they are treated the same.

[HedgeHog]

THIS for Heritage.

"If one selection loses, the teaser is considered a loss; except on a two team teaser if one team ties the wager is a "push" regardless if the other team wins or loses."


Where does it say that a No Action is handled differently than a Push?

I believe Heritage treats a push and cancel as the same. When this happens in a 2 team teaser, the bet is refunded--regardless of the outcome of the other leg. To me this is a fair outcome for all parties, so I don't understand the OP's complaint against Heritage.

Most other Books, however, ARE exploiting covid cancellations to their advantage. They incorrectly treat a cancel and a tie as the same, creating a no win situation for the bettor of 2 team teasers. If one leg is canceled, you must win the other leg to get your stake back. Otherwise you lose, which is an obvious unfair advantage for the Book (free roll).

[Optional]

That's the exact definition of a freeroll!

No it's not. Not even close to that.

And you angrily saying it 50 times before, and starting your same MO of pushiness about it again now, will not change that FACT.

It's clearly very very very open to debate, either way.

And given there has been the same rule for possibly decades, I think you should take that as proof positive that your opinion is possibly not the exact definition you keep saying it is.

[PD77]

Here we go again, fast forward one year. https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...led-games.html

Gold officially closed this topic 12-3-2020.

I am closing this issue

Covid going to be gone and never will be an issue again like the past 20 years
Football games rarely ever been cancelled last 100 years this was unique

IT IS CLOSED

[HedgeHog]

No it's not. Not even close to that.

And you angrily saying it 50 times before, and starting your same MO of pushiness about it again now, will not change that FACT.

It's clearly very very very open to debate, either way.

And given there has been the same rule for possibly decades, I think you should take that as proof positive that your opinion is possibly not the exact definition you keep saying it is.

I don't know how anyone can dispute that it is a freeroll. The player is put in a no win situation on his 2 team teaser if one bet is canceled or postponed. He either ties or loses, thus a FREEROLL for the Book. Self serving rules aside, a reputable Book should allow the player to replace his canceled leg in this situation. That would be the fair thing to do.

[HedgeHog]

This sounds like PPD + Loss = Push since "push or cancellation" means they are treated the same.

Yes, and this is fine in Heritage's case because they go by Vegas rules and void all bets for 2 team teasers with a push/cancel. That is a fair result for all. The problem is that the vast majority of offshore Books veered away from Vegas rules on 2 team teasers, putting themselves in an unfair position with all these covid cancellations and an unwillingness to correct it. When I play at these Books I accept that ties will put me a no win lose situation, and avoid it by making sure both of my picks are on the 1/2 point. By doing so I avoid pushes altogether. What I don't accept is when a canceled bet is treated like a tie with these outfits and puts me in a no win situation--without any action taking place!

[LT Profits]

Right so not sure why the OP called out Heritage specifically when Heritage appears to be the ONLY offshore I have come across that grades it properly.

[Optional]

I don't know how anyone can dispute that it is a freeroll. The player is put in a no win situation on his 2 team teaser if one bet is canceled or postponed. He either ties or loses, thus a FREEROLL for the Book. Self serving rules aside, a reputable Book should allow the player to replace his canceled leg in this situation. That would be the fair thing to do.

And I don't know why you cannot see the reasons others would not agree with you.

As you imply, a free roll is a situation where you cannot win but you can lose.

When you place a 2 team teaser with these rules, YOU CAN WIN... therefore by ANY FAIR definition of the word "free roll" it definitely is not.

Do ya kapiche that very simple thing or not??


Adding your own rider "that if XYZ happens after the bet is struck, it then becomes a freeroll" is non-sensical, to be kind.

The game situation changed after betting, the bet as struck was not free rolling you.


You may not like the rule but you are incorrect to call it a freeroll.

And even more obnoxiously incorrect to keep demanding it is obviously one. Too many books have used the same rule for too many years to be making your arrogant claim that you are inarguably correct. It's a debatable point whether it is even unfair or not...

[Optional]

Right so not sure why the OP called out Heritage specifically when Heritage appears to be the ONLY offshore I have come across that grades it properly.

Are you implying that every other book is grading it improperly if not following the rules you say they should have???

Have you ever owned a business? If so, did you get to make your offer and the rules around it and customers got to choose if they like it? Or did you think customers should be able to call you out for not using whatever rules they decided were "proper" AFTER they had agreed and done their business?


Sheesh. Sure, don't like the rule, but get off the grass trying to cry that all the books who follow this standard rule are not grading "properly".

[LT Profits]

Are you implying that every other book is grading it improperly if not following the rules you say they should have???

Have you ever owned a business? If so, did you get to make your offer and the rules around it and customers got to choose if they like it? Or did you think customers should be able to call you out for not using whatever rules they decided were "proper" AFTER they had agreed and done their business?


Sheesh. Sure, don't like the rule, but get off the grass trying to cry that all the books who follow this standard rule are not grading "properly".

Actually Heritage is the only book that follows the VEGAS Standard, which is why I refer to it as the "right" way. Push + Loss = Loss was initiated offshore, and the books just copied the rule even though it contradicts the Vegas Standard.

[HedgeHog]

Right so not sure why the OP called out Heritage specifically when Heritage appears to be the ONLY offshore I have come across that grades it properly.

Sadly most Books seem content to treat Covid cancellations as ties which is grossly unfair to 2 team teaser players. Almost everyone understands this to be a freeroll against the bettor. On the bright side, Betanysports is allowing 2 team players to replace a canceled leg. So for now, Heritage and BAS are the only places I use for teasers. At least I know I'll get a fair shake on canceled games at these books.

[Optional]

Sadly most Books seem content to treat Covid cancellations as ties which is grossly unfair to 2 team teaser players. Almost everyone understands this to be a freeroll against the bettor. On the bright side, Betanysports is allowing 2 team players to replace a canceled leg. So for now, Heritage and BAS are the only places I use for teasers. At least I know I'll get a fair shake on canceled games at these books.

to be called a "free roll" there has to be no chance to win.

Only ignorant people and willfully stubborn types would agree with you hedgey. Not "almost everyone".

Hate the rule if you like but you are being unfair to keep yelling "free roll" like the books are cheating people.

[HedgeHog]

to be called a "free roll" there has to be no chance to win.

Only ignorant people and willfully stubborn types would agree with you hedgey. Not "almost everyone".



Hate the rule if you like but you are being unfair to keep yelling "free roll" like the books are cheating people.

Once a game is canceled, a 2 team teaser IS in a no-win situation, and through no fault of the player. How does anyone not get this??? A postponed or canceled game is not the same thing as a push/tie and should NOT be treated as such. Books that chose to do this ARE exploiting their clients.

[PD77]

Has anyone placed a free play on a game that was canceled due to Covid? I’m assuming you don’t get your free play back? It just got me thinking because I received a couple of free plays from books recently and made sure the bets wouldn't push but there is no way to guard against a cancellation.

[milwaukee mike]

Has anyone placed a free play on a game that was canceled due to Covid? I’m assuming you don’t get your free play back? It just got me thinking because I received a couple of free plays from books recently and made sure the bets wouldn't push but there is no way to guard against a cancellation.

i did at bol and it was returned as a free play

and for this thread, i agree with hedgehog and lt profits that after a cancellation, many books are unfairly treating these teasers as either a loss/push... cancels should be treated differently than ties... yes the bet had a chance to win at the time it was made, but to ask a player to handicap the chances of a game being cancelled in with his betting strategy is a bit much

[agon]

A Parlay bet with the resut of 1 win and one void ( postponed) should be considered a win bet not a loss.
Totally unfair rule.

[gilbert91016]

A Parlay bet with the resut of 1 win and one void ( postponed) should be considered a win bet not a loss.
Totally unfair rule.

Any push in a parlay with 3 teams or more will go to the next lowest number of teams. A push in a 2 team parlay will result in a straight wager

[agon]

Any push in a parlay with 3 teams or more will go to the next lowest number of teams. A push in a 2 team parlay will result in a straight wager

It seems that I in 2 leg parlay if 1 team bet wins and the other match get postponed.the bet gets voided at heritage .It should be considered a win bet with the odd of the winning bet × 1.00 odd of the void ( postponed) bet.

[agon]

If you place an (accumulator),(combo,) (parlay) of 2 predictions.1 predictions is correct the other one is a push.
Does Heritage pays back just your money wagered? Or it pays for the one team which won with the corresponding odd and odd 1 of the push?

[Optional]

i did at bol and it was returned as a free play

and for this thread, i agree with hedgehog and lt profits that after a cancellation, many books are unfairly treating these teasers as either a loss/push... cancels should be treated differently than ties... yes the bet had a chance to win at the time it was made, but to ask a player to handicap the chances of a game being cancelled in with his betting strategy is a bit much

I agree with your statement. But that's not what Hedgehog says multiple times in every thread about this issue.

I've been through this too many times now with Hedgehog and as many times as he screams "free roll" like it's a clear cheat, I am going to come back and tell him again he is wrong and just being a stubborn and unfair asshole.

In the face of a logical explanation, he ignores facts and just goes straight to being emotional and repeats free roll again as an answer. As he has no real argument to support his emotional feeling about the bet. All he needs to say is that he does not like the rule, not that all the books are corrupt/cheating...

[Optional]

A Parlay bet with the resut of 1 win and one void ( postponed) should be considered a win bet not a loss.
Totally unfair rule.

Any push in a parlay with 3 teams or more will go to the next lowest number of teams. A push in a 2 team parlay will result in a straight wager

This thread is not about parlays.

It's about one specific type of TEASER.

If you do not understand what we are talking about, you really do not need to be concerned, and please do not muddy this thread further posting about parlays.

[agon]

Teaser is an American sportsbetting term.In Europe is called bet builder or edit bet.No matter what lines you choose.
If you place 2 two teams bet 1 bet wins and 1 bet gets postponed .You get paid back your wager × the coefficient of the winning bet.Also if you place 2 team bet one bet wins the other push.You get paid paid your wager × coefficient of the winning bet.All Asians and euro bookies do this.

[Optional]

Teaser is an American sportsbetting term.In Europe is called bet builder or edit bet.No matter what lines you choose.

Teaser does not = acca, parlay, bet builder or anything like that.

Teasers used a fixed odds payout schedule.

They are different, and this rule is priced into the odds offered on them.