Players beware! Myb casino / my bookie seized $210,000 winnings from account ad-hoc!

[RAIDER1223]

I could go into the details but OP has pretty much covered all the bases in regards to the situation and how its being by MyBookie and Betsoft.

I had well over 100k in my account as well accumulated from sports betting and slots games that MyBookie has disabled for this very same reason with absolutely no justification other than the same BS excuse they sent to OP.

It is absolutely ridiculous that they think they can advertise these games and promote winners on their website while also taking their deposits then blaming 'glitches' on players who have won big so they dont have to pay them out.

Furthermore, although most of my winnings came from slots, a solid percentage of my account balance was from sports bets as well. Are you telling me that those also should be forfeited due to this imaginary glitch?

AND LET ME BE CLEAR, IT WAS NOT A GLITCH. IT WAS A GAMEPLAY MECHANISM THAT HAD BEEN USED WITHIN THE GAME SINCE CREATION THAT THEY CHANGED AND BLAMED IT ON THE PLAYERS FOR ABUSING. THIS IS A STRAIGHT UP CONSPIRACY BETWEEN BETSOFT AND MYBOOKIE, keep that in mind. Brings into focus what these scam artists can do to the little man and think that they can get away with it without anyone noticing.

I have screenshots and video of gameplay to prove it as well, plus updated screenshots of my account balances over a 6 month period.

To anyone who has doubts or thinks getting big balances is fake, you are just a salty hater, suck at gambling and probably a MyBookie spy. Getting big balances require time, dedication, and tons of risk management. Skilled gamblers can empathize, not only did MyBookie rob us of money, they also robbed us of all the time it took for us to build up these accounts LEGITIMATELY.

SBR, please do the right thing and help us address this issue and file a formal complaint. I have filed a complaint form already but have not heard back. This is a very serious issue that affects the entire casino community. The people need to realize they are being scammed.

To new players who are looking for a platform to deposit money to, please be aware of the scam artists and their intentions so you will not end up in the same situation we are currently dealing with.

To OP or anyone other victims of highway robbery, Feel free to DM me at anytime so we can work to take these crooks down.

[HedgeHog]

Solid arguments presented that I will now address:

[1] MyBookie has the burden of proof yet to be presented:

I agree. See my posts in the BetCoin thread. I specifically acknowledged the fact that [whilst I disagreed with BetCoin's t&c] they were to be congratulated for making an open and detailed public post in a forum such as this. In other words, I specifically stated that bookies ought to make public statements when they invoke t&c - especially when large numbers are involved.

[1](a) The fact that MyBookie need to make a statement in this forum that the slot was flawed does not detract from my argued position that the OP should not be paid. We await MyBookie's public statement (take a leaf out of BetCoin's book, MyBookie, and make a statement soon)

[2] If there was a t&c that stated "we can void steam bets"

I read all the t&c before signing up. I would never join a book with this kind of t&c.

- NOTE that no A and B books have such a term.
- NOTE that C rated BetCoin does have such a term (stating that arbitrage / use of arb services may result in all funds confiscated)
- NOTE that I attacked this term in the BetCoin thread and the OP acknowledged that my posts helped him get his cash back

[3] Syndicate action

See [2] above. Identical arguments apply. No A or B book has such a term. I argued against this kind of term in the BetCoin thread. I would never join a book with such terms.

I have addressed all your arguments above.

Please now address mine - I have argued that the OP should not be paid. If you disagree then present counter-arguments in an organised and rational way OR withdraw your claim that my post was a POS ;-)

You answered your own question with your #1 point. You agree that MB has yet to present its case, yet you've stated with 100% certainty that the OP should not be paid. Kind of like finding someone guilty without a fair trial. Unlike you, I'll reserve judgment until I hear from both sides. When do you think MB will present theirs--the one you currently agree with despite any substance. In regard to your earlier blowhard, unsubstantiated opinion that the OP should not be paid, I stand by my earlier post--it's a flaming hot POS. For starters, support your 95% losers vs 5% winners statistic. Where do you get that figure? Is it sports betting relating? If so, how does that relate to casino gambling which basically everyone loses at in the long run. It's not my responsibility to deconstruct the garbage you presented. It's your responsibility to validate it.

[lonnie55]

Im also another guy who has well over 6 figures in his account and also got disabled. I guarantee there so many more players that haven't spoken out about this issue yet. MyBookie is a scambook and they will not get away with this BS.

DONT USE THEIR PLATFORM THEY WILL ROB YOU!

So you are guy #6?

[Spencerho]

Got your back OP, screw the haters, they have no idea the time and effort and lost money it really took to get our accounts to where they are now.

And to anyone who says we are exploiting a flaw; first of all, it is with the gameplay rules and it CLEARLY STATED players had the option to do so.

Secondly, why the hell are y'all so goddamn negative, its not like we're trying to get our money back from you personally, if you had 100k+ in your personal account taken away from you wrongfully would you not do whatever you can to get that money back? Stop being a bunch of salty Karens and look at things from another perspective for once.

Lastly, to anyone else who has been victimized, the time to speak up is now. Don't let these corporations steal your money and get away with it; everyone is always too afraid or wants to avoid conflict, and that's how they take advantage and pull stuff like this BS on you.

Anyways, great stuff OP with the updates, keep me informed of the progress. I will do my part to make sure these crooks get put on notice.

[lonnie55]

Thanks for your comments. No more updates will be posted from this point forward. I'm tired of reading this garbage from you.

Moments later...

It's like watching a bunch a fat little kids crying that their candy, cookies, and sodas were taken away from Mommy for bad behavior.

plus

And to anyone who says we are exploiting a flaw; first of all, it is with the gameplay rules and it CLEARLY STATED players had the option to do so.

[SportsBettor74]

[/B]You answered your own question with your #1 point. You agree that MB has yet to present its case, yet you've stated with 100% certainty that the OP should not be paid. Kind of like finding someone guilty without a fair trial. Unlike you, I'll reserve judgment until I hear from both sides. When do you think MB will present theirs--the one you currently agree with despite any substance. In regard to your earlier blowhard, unsubstantiated opinion that the OP should not be paid, I stand by my earlier post--it's a flaming hot POS. For starters, support your 95% losers vs 5% winners statistic. Where do you get that figure? Is it sports betting relating? If so, how does that relate to casino gambling which basically everyone loses at in the long run. It's not my responsibility to deconstruct the garbage you presented. It's your responsibility to validate it.

[1] See prior analyses in this thread. It is mathematically impossible for the OP to have amassed the stated figure in the absence of (a) a jackpot or (b) an exploit. This addresses your first assertion that it is "like finding someone guilty without a fair trial"

[2] 95% vs 5%: This is well documented. I was being generous with the 5%. If you do genuinely dispute this I will invest 30 mins of online research and provide you with the necessary evidence (or you could do this yourself)

[3] How does this relate to casino gambling? The 5% rely on sportsbooks / casinos taking money from the 95%. This take is in the form of both sports betting and casino losses


Summary: Again I have addressed all your points. You ought to refer to my original post re: why the OP ought not to be paid. You ought to address my arguments in a calm, logical, orderly and rational way.

[SportsBettor74]

Moments later...


plus

[Spencerho]

Thanks for the update

Not yet. The update I receive last night is that there is no news unfortunately, so they are "chasing them up now".

They are working on it. SBR fully supports my position. 100%. Multiple people at SBR are involved with this one. High profile complaint just on the value of the seized money alone, independent of the bogus reason for seizure of that money.

[HedgeHog]

[1] See prior analyses in this thread. It is mathematically impossible for the OP to have amassed the stated figure in the absence of (a) a jackpot or (b) an exploit. This addresses your first assertion that it is "like finding someone guilty without a fair trial"

[2] 95% vs 5%: This is well documented. I was being generous with the 5%. If you do genuinely dispute this I will invest 30 mins of online research and provide you with the necessary evidence (or you could do this yourself)

[3] How does this relate to casino gambling? The 5% rely on sportsbooks / casinos taking money from the 95%. This take is in the form of both sports betting and casino losses


Summary: Again I have addressed all your points. You ought to refer to my original post re: why the OP ought not to be paid. You ought to address my arguments in a calm, logical, orderly and rational way.

I call BS. Provide your sources on this so called 95%-5% or STFU.

[Spencerho]

lmfaoo

[Crusherrr]

lmfaoo

Love your title. Did MyBookie really scam you out of $100,000 if you scammed them to get it?

[milwaukee mike]

Got your back OP, screw the haters, they have no idea the time and effort and lost money it really took to get our accounts to where they are now.

And to anyone who says we are exploiting a flaw; first of all, it is with the gameplay rules and it CLEARLY STATED players had the option to do so.

Secondly, why the hell are y'all so goddamn negative, its not like we're trying to get our money back from you personally, if you had 100k+ in your personal account taken away from you wrongfully would you not do whatever you can to get that money back? Stop being a bunch of salty Karens and look at things from another perspective for once.

Lastly, to anyone else who has been victimized, the time to speak up is now. Don't let these corporations steal your money and get away with it; everyone is always too afraid or wants to avoid conflict, and that's how they take advantage and pull stuff like this BS on you.

Anyways, great stuff OP with the updates, keep me informed of the progress. I will do my part to make sure these crooks get put on notice.

everyone is entitled to their opinion, i haven't seen anyone really calling the players thieves or scumbags or anything like that

it's in the gameplay rules but it's still a design flaw that was exploited right? the question becomes how "wrong" is it to keep playing for that long... some say 0/10 wrong, others have a higher #

the level of wrongness goes up of course if other family members, or friends are informed about it

these sportsbooks don't have unlimited funds/profits, so there was a good point made about how large sums of money could break them, certainly has happened before to sportsbooks where groups/syndicates exploited stuff and literally "took the bank"

you're entitled to exploit a design flaw (we're all trying to make money), but are you entitled to make enough off of it to buy a house? does the answer change if people would lose their jobs? what if other players end up getting stiffed?

those are all hypothetical questions that don't have easy answers

[Optional]

Im also another guy who has well over 6 figures in his account and also got disabled. I guarantee there so many more players that haven't spoken out about this issue yet. MyBookie is a scambook and they will not get away with this BS.

DONT USE THEIR PLATFORM THEY WILL ROB YOU!

Can you help me understand why so many of you victims have left 6 figure balances in an online casino account?

What made you decide to not withdraw more of these winnings over the last 6 months?

Did you need the big balances to make it work?



Would you mind explaining what setting had changed and how you needed to play to make it pay?

It won't hurt anything now being 100% honest, and it may help the dispute analyst make an argument.

[RAIDER1223]

Can you help me understand why so many of you victims have left 6 figure balances in an online casino account?

What made you decide to not withdraw more of these winnings over the last 6 months?

Did you need the big balances to make it work?



Would you mind explaining what setting had changed and how you needed to play to make it pay?

It won't hurt anything now being 100% honest, and it may help the dispute analyst make an argument.

Sure. Easy answer. Because My Bookie Casino only allows a Player to take out $2,000 per week. Otherwise, the money would have been withdrawn much sooner. None of us are that dumb to keep that amount of money in our balances. My Bookie Casino has a terrible max payout limit of $2,000. I asked several times over the course of 10 months to have a larger payout limit. I told them it is ridiculous to have to wait nearly two years to get my money. I was also told by My Bookie Casino that all Players must have the same payout limit no matter whom the Player is or the size of the balance...that it was a Company rule and there are no exceptions.

https://help.mybookie.ag/knowledge-base-2/general-vithdrawals/what-is-the-maximum-and-minimum-withdrawal-amount/

• Casino: If your winnings are generated in the Casino, you are eligible to receive a maximum of $2,000 a week.

No one knew there was a flaw. We all played the game as it was presented. We all followed the rules. It's a slot game. You bet, you spin, there is an outcome. For My Bookie and Betsoft to make alterations to the game independently was something that was apparently done behind the scenes at some point in April or May. My account became fully-disabled on March 11, 2021. I don't know what changes they made to the game, but some "patch" was apparently done to fix something with the game. None of us know what was "wrong" with the game. I personally had a number of runs playing the slot games that resulted in $126,000 in losses, as verified by My Bookie Casino. Again as stated previously, My Bookie Casino DID NOT want to discuss the runs of losses, only the fact that the balance at the time of seizure was $210,085.70.

We just played it and sometimes it won and sometimes it lost. No one took any advantage of the slot game. No one "knew" there was a flaw. That is why all of us are so pissed-off that they just disabled our accounts ad-hoc, and never told us why until several weeks later....that there was a "glitch" in the game. They are trying to hold all of us as responsible for alleging that we all "knew" there was a "glitch" and we somehow took advantage of it.

I have more information to share, but we can go offline regarding that. I'm not sharing this within this forum due to the 6 posters herein that continue to be a problem and not a solution. They know whom they are.

[RAIDER1223]

everyone is entitled to their opinion, i haven't seen anyone really calling the players thieves or scumbags or anything like that.

Sure did. Their names are DontTailMe, Crusherrr, and Rodger T. Bannon. Please read the previous thread and you will see that I was called a 'Crook"

[RAIDER1223]

The six Posters look like complete morons now. No one should listen to any of them.

They are all unintelligent bums.

[ace7750, Crusherrr, DontTailMe, Judge Crater, SportsBettor74, and Judge Crater.]

The best thing for this post would be for each of them to go away and allow Optional, SBR, and the affected Players work toward a positive resolution.

[Judge Crater]

Crazy me, advising you not to burn your bridges with MYB until SBR first takes a shot at them.

The six Posters look like complete morons now. No one should listen to any of them.

They are all unintelligent bums.

[ace7750, Crusherrr, DontTailMe, Judge Crater, SportsBettor74, and Judge Crater.]

The best thing for this post would be for each of them to go away and allow Optional, SBR, and the affected Players work toward a positive resolution.

[Optional]

Sure. Easy answer. Because My Bookie Casino only allows a Player to take out $2,000 per week.

[...]

No one knew there was a flaw.

I knew your reason. There is 16 pages of it here already. I was asking Spencerho and others.

Not everyone involved played through Mybookie and not everyone played the same game for as long as you.

And how do YOU KNOW "no one knew there was a flaw"???

Do you know all these people and planned this together maybe?

Are you trying to influence Spencerho to not explain how it worked like I asked?

I think it's these sort of posts that make the "haters" you point out suspicious of you.

It's not a trick, there is only a brick wall right now as it is. It may actually help get you all looked after better than now if we could go to our rep with that sort of info.

[Optional]

If it is a matter of Betsoft having changed a game play setting, a cogent argument for them to pay may emerge.

Us not knowing what went on at all leaves us at the mercy of Betsoft simply being able to invoke their own terms.

[RAIDER1223]

I knew your reason. There is 16 pages of it here already. I was asking Spencerho and others.

Not everyone involved played through Mybookie and not everyone played the same game for as long as you.

And how do YOU KNOW "no one knew there was a flaw"???

Do you know all these people and planned this together maybe?

Are you trying to influence Spencerho to not explain how it worked like I asked?

I think it's these sort of posts that make the "haters" you point out suspicious of you.

It's not a trick, there is only a brick wall right now as it is. It may actually help get you all looked after better than now if we could go to our rep with that sort of info.

Optional. Let me be very clear, Sir.

1. I personally DID NOT know if there was an alleged "flaw" or "glitch" in the game. I just played it like any other available slot game. I could never have known if there was any issue with the game. Any potential issue with a slot game would only be known by My Bookie or the Operator (Betsoft). Not me. The others can speak/comment for themselves.

2. I DON'T KNOW any of these other people. They are not friends or acquaintances of mine. I have zero clue whom they are, where they live, how long they have played at My Bookie or another casino, or anything that deals with their respective accounts, balances, play, or anything else. I have only read their posts for the first time like yourself and the others have read. Again, please let me be very clear here.....I DO NOT know these other people whatsoever.

3. Again, I do not know any of these other people, so therefore, I am not trying to influence anyone. Each of these other people have their own story / Matter, as it relates to My Bookie or another casino.

4. I am not concerned about what you point out as "haters" on this post, as I do not know any of these people. If they want to be suspicious of me, then that's fine. I couldn't care less. I'm not worried about them. My concern is having yourself and SBR help me capture my account and seized money back. With that stated, I appreciate everything you have done and everything you continue to do.

The premise of this post and subsequent case submitted to SBR, is to alert others in this forum of what occurred, in order to protect them from potentially getting ripped-off as well, and to get my money back. Again, I do not know any of these other people.

If you want to further communicate with me offline for anything else you want to know that you would deem to be not appropriate for this forum, then I respectfully invite you to do so. DM, Email, Phone. Whichever you wish.

Let me know what else you want to know.

I hope I have been very clear in my answers above to the questions you have asked. If not, then please feel free to DM me, email me, or call me.

[RAIDER1223]

If it is a matter of Betsoft having changed a game play setting, a cogent argument for them to pay may emerge.

Us not knowing what went on at all leaves us at the mercy of Betsoft simply being able to invoke their own terms.

Optional,

I respectfully recommend that you and I have a phone call if you would like to have a conversation. I can provide you with additional information that would be useful in your efforts. Just let me know. Thanks.

[SportsBettor74]

I call BS. Provide your sources on this so called 95%-5% or STFU.

"Sources indicate that only 3% of all sports bettors are profitable in the long-term"

Google "quora what percentage of sports bettors are profitable" - it is the first article that comes up.

I think the rules don't allow me to post the link here.

Question: Does anyone know if the rules permit me to post a link to a quora article here?

[Optional]

Optional. Let me be very clear, Sir.

1. I personally DID NOT know if there was an alleged "flaw" or "glitch" in the game. I just played it like any other available slot game. I could never have known if there was any issue with the game. Any potential issue with a slot game would only be known by My Bookie or the Operator (Betsoft). Not me. The others can speak/comment for themselves.

2. I DON'T KNOW any of these other people. They are not friends or acquaintances of mine. I have zero clue whom they are, where they live, how long they have played at My Bookie or another casino, or anything that deals with their respective accounts, balances, play, or anything else. I have only read their posts for the first time like yourself and the others have read. Again, please let me be very clear here.....I DO NOT know these other people whatsoever.

3. Again, I do not know any of these other people, so therefore, I am not trying to influence anyone. Each of these other people have their own story / Matter, as it relates to My Bookie or another casino.

4. I am not concerned about what you point out as "haters" on this post, as I do not know any of these people. If they want to be suspicious of me, then that's fine. I couldn't care less. I'm not worried about them. My concern is having yourself and SBR help me capture my account and seized money back. With that stated, I appreciate everything you have done and everything you continue to do.

The premise of this post and subsequent case submitted to SBR, is to alert others in this forum of what occurred, in order to protect them from potentially getting ripped-off as well, and to get my money back. Again, I do not know any of these other people.

If you want to further communicate with me offline for anything else you want to know that you would deem to be not appropriate for this forum, then I respectfully invite you to do so. DM, Email, Phone. Whichever you wish.

Let me know what else you want to know.

I hope I have been very clear in my answers above to the questions you have asked. If not, then please feel free to DM me, email me, or call me.

I get that. And am not questioning anything you have said.

Just trying to find out more info from a poster who seems to understand more than anyone else so far. Don't worry about the crack about knowing each other. Was only highlighting that you don't do yourself any favors with your style and the reason people are arguing with you and MyBookie twitter blocked you instead of responding like they did to the other poster.

[Crusherrr]

I'm just wondering why this is a MyBookie exclusive issue with certain BetSoft slots.

In my eyes, the more people that come here with six-figure balances the less valid your claim becomes that you didn't know of any glitches, advantages, etc.

Showing a profit over any period of longevity in slots with RTP of 95% is extremely challenging. But we're supposed to believe you weren't aware that any particular games were +EV. It seems to me as though you probably went and lost the $120,000 hoping what you were doing would then be off the radar. Either way, you still won over $300,000 without ever hitting for more than $2,000 at a time.

Now "others" have also somehow just "gotten lucky" and run up six-figure balances with them and can't cash out fast enough,too.

I'm sure it's all just a coincidence, though. Everyone just got lucky clicking buttons on a handful of similar slots from the same provider on the same site.

[Optional]

I'm just wondering why this is a MyBookie exclusive issue

It's not.

A couple of people were playing through Xbet, and a couple more I am unsure what book.

[RAIDER1223]

I'm just wondering why this is a MyBookie exclusive issue with certain BetSoft slots.

In my eyes, the more people that come here with six-figure balances the less valid your claim becomes that you didn't know of any glitches, advantages, etc.

Showing a profit over any period of longevity in slots with RTP of 95% is extremely challenging. But we're supposed to believe you weren't aware that any particular games were +EV. It seems to me as though you probably went and lost the $120,000 hoping what you were doing would then be off the radar. Either way, you still won over $300,000 without ever hitting for more than $2,000 at a time.

Now "others" have also somehow just "gotten lucky" and run up six-figure balances with them and can't cash out fast enough,too.

I'm sure it's all just a coincidence, though. Everyone just got lucky clicking buttons on a handful of similar slots from the same provider on the same site.

Crusherrr, I stated this before and I will state this again. The similarities of the other Players whom have had their accounts disabled and balances seized are all independent to mine which occurred back in mid-March, 2021. No one, including myself, would ever purposely try and lose over 6 figures of money in trying to camouflage or "radar" from a known "flaw".

I'm not sure how else to state this again, but I did not know, or every thought that there was a problem or a flaw in the game or games.

You have to realize (as I've stated numerous times) that I played 7-10 slot games from BOTH Betsoft and Nucleus. Each game won and each game lost. Balance went up and down, all the time. Over the 10-month period, all the games won at times and lost at times. There was no issue when the balance was $13,000 then dropped. There was no issue when the balance was $50,000, then dropped. There was no issue when the balance was $97,000 then dropped. There was no issue when the balance was $241,000 then dropped down to $164,000.

It was only after when Betsoft allegedly contacted MYB on March 9, 2021 about two specific games in question: "Take The Bank" and "Take Santa's Shop". MYB claims that there was a "glitch" in both games for over a year. The problem with the game "Take Santa's Shop, is that it was released by Betsoft in November, 2020. So right there, what MYB has claimed is verifiably false. Both of these games, I also LOST a ton of money on. However, I also lost and won money on games like Faerie Tails, Book of Darkness, Reels of Wealth, and about 3-4 other slot games. Wins and losses on all of them. 7-10 slot games. That is a lot of slot games. That is a very comprehensive balance of slot games played.

It is so clear that when MYB saw that I had a balance that high (over $200,000), at some point, all on their own, right after I submitted a payout request of $2,000 on March 9, 2021, they most likely thought something like this: "Enough! This Player is taking out $2,000 per week and we haven't made anything off of him as a "net". So, let's stop paying him and let's cite a problem with the two slot games he appears to have played the most in 10-months, and cite a policy to remove his balance and take his funds and stop the Accounts Payable bleeding".


PRETEXT REASON TO SEIZE MONEY.

Ironically, Betsoft is saying nothing at this point other than what they have commented to another Player about on a different forum post whom apparently has a very similar situation as mine.

So, we need to stop with the "Player knew there was a flaw" stuff. That is not the case or what has happened here. Again, I played 7-10 slot games from two slot gaming Manufacturers. I won and lost on ALL of them.

Moreover, all this is, is that MYB just did not want to payout any more money to me and came-up with a bogus pretext reason in which to seize money from my account. To date, MYB has provided ZERO data or other evidence of their alleged claim. NONE.

WHY? WHY HAS BETSOFT NOR MYB PROVIDED ANY SUPPORTING DATA FOR THEIR CLAIM AND POSITION?
WHY?

WHERE IS IT?

WHERE.........IS.........IT?

I'm just not sure how else I can clearly articulate the situation here. It's pretty simple in the end. MYB just did not want to pay me, and perhaps anyone else whom had a large balance. We can point to all kinds of theories and guesses, and potential financial problems with MYB. All speculation. However, the clear fact here is, in least in MY case, that they just elected to stop paying me $2,000 per week and that is so wrong, unethical, and fraudulent.

I cannot be any clearer in my explanation. Sorry, but that is the truth.

Does this make sense? Do you honestly understand now? I hope so. I really do.

I just want my money back, and to alert others so they don't get screwed as well. That's all. You and anyone else would feel the same way.

[Optional]

I cannot be any clearer in explanation.

Try using 90% less words. And not treating every single comment in this thread like a personal challenge to you that you must answer.

It's obvious you either do not have the answers to what is being discussed, or are not going to be transparent at this point.

All you are doing is muddying the thread.

[SportsBettor74]

Excellent.

I am both dubious and doubtful that you will honour your statement "No more updates will be posted from this point forward".

Let's see.

...

[Optional]

Optional,

I respectfully recommend that you and I have a phone call if you would like to have a conversation. I can provide you with additional information that would be useful in your efforts. Just let me know. Thanks.

What??? Do you mean you have held back information not already contained in one of your dissertations here over the last 2 weeks?!

You've lost me 5 pages ago. No interest in hearing your secret extra info or having a phone call or listening to another second of your waffling. You're either a liar or way out your depth to not understand what has been said to you.

There is a damn good reason Betsoft are concerned.

If any of you victims can be fully honest and help me understand exactly where the problem is, maybe, just maybe, I can come up with some strategy/argument to get somewhere.

Otherwise your claim is going no where right now. Unless you guys decide to employ your own lawyer. Which I would have done on day one if I did not think it was a waste of money as I knew I had taken the shot knowingly.

[Crusherrr]

Raider- You may have seen a post earlier in this thread where I stated I had found a glitch in Bovada's casino software with their bonus system. I said nothing to them. They weren't able to tell what I was doing exactly but they knew I was abusing some type of glitch with their system. They called and ripped me a new one, then they eventually calmed down and asked me nicely to walk them through what I was doing. They not only paid me every cent, they let me keep my account open. I was a professional poker player still at the time, so keeping the account was important to me and my livelihood.

I have also stated I hope you get paid. Maybe you were simply playing a +EV slot and didn't realize it. While I don't think that's the case, I suppose anything is possible. If you were doing something, and you know what you were doing, I'm sure MyBookie would try to settle with you on this. Although, they could simply say to you, "Hey, you already got almost $100,000 out of us. You won't be paid a penny more"

I think the more you talk in this thread and continue to berate others and talk bad about MyBookie the closer they will get to saying that it's not worth dealing with you. Their reputation is already shady and having to pay you out this large sum of money may simply not be worth it. They'd rather dump $200,000 into advertisements to get more customers because surely even if you got paid you'd never play on MyBCasino/MyBookie again.

Edit: I understand why you are fired up. Especially if you truly did no wrong. There are many very smart people on this board. Some who make a living off of online gaming/gambling. We've seen these posts many times. You can't blame professionals for questioning the results that you've had. SBR is a great site, amazing community and a fantastic resource for all sports bettors and gamblers. I think most people here are rooting for you to be paid

[RAIDER1223]

What??? Do you mean you have held back information not already contained in one of your dissertations here over the last 2 weeks?!

You've lost me 5 pages ago. No interest in hearing your secret extra info or having a phone call or listening to another second of your waffling. You're either a liar or way out your depth to not understand what has been said to you.

There is a damn good reason Betsoft are concerned.

If any of you victims can be fully honest and help me understand exactly where the problem is, maybe, just maybe, I can come up with some strategy/argument to get somewhere.

Otherwise your claim is going no where right now. Unless you guys decide to employ your own lawyer. Which I would have done on day one if I did not think it was a waste of money as I knew I had taken the shot knowingly.

Look. I've already clearly explained this to you in the last few posts and again in my last post to Crusherrr.

Some of the information I have is private and should not be shared with this forum. It's too sensitive. You already have enough to make a very good valid claim in having the money placed back onto the account. Like I stated, if you want to know more in regards to other information that is too sensitive to share on this forum, there are several options to reach me. Shouldn't be afraid to speak with me about it. Open to having a conversation if you wish.

In turn, feel free to take a look at all the screen shots, communication, emails to Brad, Genie, and others in SBR. It's there. Maybe go speak to them and see the documents for yourself that have already been submitted to SBR Help and SBR Cases email aliases.

The other sensitive information was sent to me yesterday. I will only have a discussion about that live. Not here.

Bottom line Sir. If you don't want to help me, then don't. If you do, then awesome. I'm more than grateful of course. I could use your help, but if you don't to help me then fine.

My explanation of what happen has been clear. You have plenty to win this thing.

Let me know if you or anyone else at SBR is/has communicated with MYB and/or BetSoft. I have no information if SBR even has.

Thanks.

[RAIDER1223]

Raider- You may have seen a post earlier in this thread where I stated I had found a glitch in Bovada's casino software with their bonus system. I said nothing to them. They weren't able to tell what I was doing exactly but they knew I was abusing some type of glitch with their system. They called and ripped me a new one, then they eventually calmed down and asked me nicely to walk them through what I was doing. They not only paid me every cent, they let me keep my account open. I was a professional poker player still at the time, so keeping the account was important to me and my livelihood.

I have also stated I hope you get paid. Maybe you were simply playing a +EV slot and didn't realize it. While I don't think that's the case, I suppose anything is possible. If you were doing something, and you know what you were doing, I'm sure MyBookie would try to settle with you on this. Although, they could simply say to you, "Hey, you already got almost $100,000 out of us. You won't be paid a penny more"

I think the more you talk in this thread and continue to berate others and talk bad about MyBookie the closer they will get to saying that it's not worth dealing with you. Their reputation is already shady and having to pay you out this large sum of money may simply not be worth it. They'd rather dump $200,000 into advertisements to get more customers because surely even if you got paid you'd never play on MyBCasino/MyBookie again.

Understood, Sir. I appreciate your comments. I think you are right. No matter how I explain it, it's not working apparently. There's nothing to hide. I've been forthright in detail and in my explanation.

I hope SBR will help and will call me for any other information that is too sensitive to share here.

If SBR doesn't want to help. So be it. I hope that is not the case though.

[RAIDER1223]

What??? Do you mean you have held back information not already contained in one of your dissertations here over the last 2 weeks?!

You've lost me 5 pages ago. No interest in hearing your secret extra info or having a phone call or listening to another second of your waffling. You're either a liar or way out your depth to not understand what has been said to you.

There is a damn good reason Betsoft are concerned.

If any of you victims can be fully honest and help me understand exactly where the problem is, maybe, just maybe, I can come up with some strategy/argument to get somewhere.

Otherwise your claim is going no where right now. Unless you guys decide to employ your own lawyer. Which I would have done on day one if I did not think it was a waste of money as I knew I had taken the shot knowingly.

You cannot sue a Casino in Costa Rica. A lawsuit against a Costa Rican casino will go nowhere. Gaming Curacao and Curacao e-Gaming will not help. Their allegiance is with the Gaming Operators like Betsoft and Nucleus. Not a Player. Already attempted that avenue.

[RAIDER1223]

What??? Do you mean you have held back information not already contained in one of your dissertations here over the last 2 weeks?!

You've lost me 5 pages ago. No interest in hearing your secret extra info or having a phone call or listening to another second of your waffling. You're either a liar or way out your depth to not understand what has been said to you.

There is a damn good reason Betsoft are concerned.

If any of you victims can be fully honest and help me understand exactly where the problem is, maybe, just maybe, I can come up with some strategy/argument to get somewhere.

Otherwise your claim is going no where right now. Unless you guys decide to employ your own lawyer. Which I would have done on day one if I did not think it was a waste of money as I knew I had taken the shot knowingly.

If I have not answered your questions clearly from my last few posts, then please list the specific questions you still want answered 1-whatever and I will address them. Thanks.

[DontTailMe]

It's not.

A couple of people were playing through Xbet, and a couple more I am unsure what book.

Okay, but XBet = MyBookie. There is no doubt in my mind that they are the same ownership, and I'm not saying this merely because the sites are virtual clones of each other. If you have things escalated at each book, you end up talking to the same people. Also, people who worked there have confirmed.