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  • middram
    SBR Rookie
    • 03-29-21
    • 3

    #1
    BetUS - be very wary
    I filed this complaint with SBR ~3-4 weeks ago but nothing has come of it (and no resolution from BetUS either) so I'm only posting here so that everyone can have a bit of "buyer beware" information about BetUS. This is the submission I made to SBR, with just a tiny bit of editing so that it makes sense here:

    "I have been betting with BetUS since Fall 2019, and have been getting BTC deposit bonuses from my account manager - I'm a Diamond rating player on my account. I started with 1-2k deposits, but my most recent was 10k with a ~$5500-6000 free play bonus, and 12x rollover (~$180k). This was right before the Super Bowl, where I was able to bet $10k on most bets for that, $10k for NBA, and $3k for the main NHL lines. About 2 weeks ago my RO got down to about $140k, and they cut my betting limits to $1000 per bet, except now just $500 for NBA. I called my account manager and he said that he would look into it, but that I was "doing too well". I was going to suck it up (but not happily), but they've now dropped me to $500/bet for everything and I still have almost $120k of RO left. That's over 200 bets I still have to make. This feels like a massive bait and switch. I would never, EVER have made such a huge deposit with such high rollover if they were going to immediately drop my limits so much that completing my RO would be next to impossible. And not for nothing, but I like being able to bet big, so if I had known I weren't going to be able to make big bets I'd have put my $ on another site. A friend of mine said that you guys can sometimes help with this kind of thing? Hopefully so, because BetUS doesn't seem willing to budge. I'm not really sure what you/they can do, but anything is better than this."

    Anyway, that is my situation. It's fair enough that SBR can't help (they obviously don't owe me anything), but hopefully this will help steer people away from BetUS, or at very least to make them incredibly cautious about accepting deposit bonuses.
  • stevex
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 05-02-10
    • 5122

    #2
    No offense but spread your deposits to other books homie. You giving BetUS that much was a recipe for disaster considering the amount of rollover needed.
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    • middram
      SBR Rookie
      • 03-29-21
      • 3

      #3
      I'm spread out -- but yes, obviously I overextended on that one site. It was a dumb mistake, but was massively compounded by their duplicity (and not for the first time). Just trying to help other people avoid the trap I stupidly fell into.
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      • mtneer1212
        SBR MVP
        • 06-22-08
        • 4993

        #4
        At least they cut it to $500, and not $5
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        • ace7550
          SBR MVP
          • 05-08-15
          • 3729

          #5
          I had a very similar experience at Skybook. It definitely sucks when you need to make 200 max bets to meet an RO.
          I've never had this happen at Betus and I've gone on pretty good runs there. I have a buddy who had his limits cut and he ended up negotiating a deal where they removed the RO and paid him a percentage of his balance.
          Thanks for sharing and good luck.
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          • captrobey
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 09-02-10
            • 34363

            #6
            That is one reason i do not like putting in lager deposits i always do $150- $500 rarely more. I then look for a good bonus and rollover. So if they do limit you at least the rollover is still not too high.

            When you deposit and take a bonus and have a rollover they should not be able to change the limits.That is very unethical to me. There were a couple books that did that way back and i immediately after i either lost or cashed out told them to screw themselves when they wanted a deposit from me again. After the roll is complete fine but not before.

            If a book regularly does that i should plummet their ratings . Maybe not an F as long as they pay but if they are a B or A that should make them a C-
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            • Optional
              Administrator
              • 06-10-10
              • 61529

              #7
              Originally posted by middram
              I filed this complaint with SBR ~3-4 weeks ago but nothing has come of it (and no resolution from BetUS either) so I'm only posting here so that everyone can have a bit of "buyer beware" information about BetUS. This is the submission I made to SBR, with just a tiny bit of editing so that it makes sense here:

              "I have been betting with BetUS since Fall 2019, and have been getting BTC deposit bonuses from my account manager - I'm a Diamond rating player on my account. I started with 1-2k deposits, but my most recent was 10k with a ~$5500-6000 free play bonus, and 12x rollover (~$180k). This was right before the Super Bowl, where I was able to bet $10k on most bets for that, $10k for NBA, and $3k for the main NHL lines. About 2 weeks ago my RO got down to about $140k, and they cut my betting limits to $1000 per bet, except now just $500 for NBA. I called my account manager and he said that he would look into it, but that I was "doing too well". I was going to suck it up (but not happily), but they've now dropped me to $500/bet for everything and I still have almost $120k of RO left. That's over 200 bets I still have to make. This feels like a massive bait and switch. I would never, EVER have made such a huge deposit with such high rollover if they were going to immediately drop my limits so much that completing my RO would be next to impossible. And not for nothing, but I like being able to bet big, so if I had known I weren't going to be able to make big bets I'd have put my $ on another site. A friend of mine said that you guys can sometimes help with this kind of thing? Hopefully so, because BetUS doesn't seem willing to budge. I'm not really sure what you/they can do, but anything is better than this."

              Anyway, that is my situation. It's fair enough that SBR can't help (they obviously don't owe me anything), but hopefully this will help steer people away from BetUS, or at very least to make them incredibly cautious about accepting deposit bonuses.
              You could try asking your account manager to cancel the bonus and pay you out pro-rated based on % completed?
              .
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              • middram
                SBR Rookie
                • 03-29-21
                • 3

                #8
                Do sites do this? I've never heard of that but I'd happily just get my deposit back -- I'm up a bit on the play through right now so even just "breaking even" is fine with me so that I can be done with them. If they gave me any sort of pro-rating, obviously that would be even better.
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                • Roger T. Bannon
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 06-28-18
                  • 5139

                  #9
                  200 bets is too many for rollover? I can understand not liking getting limited but this complaint is a little ridiculous.
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                  • pimike
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 03-23-08
                    • 37139

                    #10
                    Hence I didn’t recommend this book..
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                    • jjgold
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 07-20-05
                      • 388179

                      #11
                      I think your an arber son this is your own fault...well I know for a fact you are

                      Stop playing dumb kid, BetUS is know to move slow therefore arbers like it with their great bonuses and you got caught on the runnup scenario at one book and that is one risk of arbing

                      File a complaint with SBR maybe they can help

                      I do not like the move of the book and do not know the rules about this

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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388179

                        #12
                        Originally posted by captrobey
                        That is one reason i do not like putting in lager deposits i always do $150- $500 rarely more. I then look for a good bonus and rollover. So if they do limit you at least the rollover is still not too high.

                        When you deposit and take a bonus and have a rollover they should not be able to change the limits.That is very unethical to me. There were a couple books that did that way back and i immediately after i either lost or cashed out told them to screw themselves when they wanted a deposit from me again. After the roll is complete fine but not before.

                        If a book regularly does that i should plummet their ratings . Maybe not an F as long as they pay but if they are a B or A that should make them a C-
                        The most I do is $500...bonuses always have clauses and repercussions
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                        • Patrick McIrish
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-15-05
                          • 2864

                          #13
                          Originally posted by captrobey

                          [b]When you deposit and take a bonus and have a rollover they should not be able to change the limits.That is very unethical to me.[b] There were a couple books that did that way back and i immediately after i either lost or cashed out told them to screw themselves when they wanted a deposit from me again. After the roll is complete fine but not before.

                          Spot on.

                          From here giving a player an option to negotiate a way out of this would be the right thing to do.

                          Taking deposits under false pretenses is not a good thing.
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                          • Roger T. Bannon
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 06-28-18
                            • 5139

                            #14
                            LOL. When a book says you are "doing too well" and they reduce your limits, they are not going to take into consideration your rollover. $500 is pretty generous in terms of getting limited. Most people complain about getting limited to $250. If you get limited to $50 with a $100K rollover that would be more onerous.
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                            • KVB
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 05-29-14
                              • 74817

                              #15
                              This is not knew they are at it again.

                              But Bannon is right, it really could be much worse.

                              Two decades ago this same site went to $1 limits with a 50K rollover.

                              I thought their business practices have gotten much better though.

                              Just get it rolled semibluff, I doubt there is any further resolution here for you but a continued slashing of your limits. Risk management can go from clenching their butt cheeks to forcing you to clench.

                              Would love to see opti's pro rated suggestion work out, but that doesn't happen often as they have no obligation to negotiate here.

                              Again, these are old tactics that I thought these guys have gone away from.

                              We are watching this thread bluffer, keep us updated and good luck pal.


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                              • captrobey
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 09-02-10
                                • 34363

                                #16
                                Originally posted by jjgold
                                The most I do is $500...bonuses always have clauses and repercussions
                                Yea i am with you i have never ever deposited $1000 the most ever was one time i did a $900 deposit . My average is around $380 plus a bonus.
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                                • captrobey
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 09-02-10
                                  • 34363

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Patrick McIrish
                                  Spot on.

                                  From here giving a player an option to negotiate a way out of this would be the right thing to do.

                                  Taking deposits under false pretenses is not a good thing.
                                  To me taking a bonus with aa rollover is like a contract . Until that deposit is either gone or rollover met they should not be able to change anything. Books that do this to me are crooked.
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                                  • PharaohUB
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-23-07
                                    • 4865

                                    #18
                                    TLDR: they paid me out 20k in four days. No questions asked
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                                    • PharaohUB
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-23-07
                                      • 4865

                                      #19
                                      Last week. It was a happy easter
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                                      • ace7550
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 05-08-15
                                        • 3729

                                        #20
                                        They've also paid me repeatedly. But limiting someone in the middle of a big RO is a no no.
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                                        • PharaohUB
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 01-23-07
                                          • 4865

                                          #21
                                          I’m skeptical I went on a crazy run and they paid me.
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                                          • ace7550
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 05-08-15
                                            • 3729

                                            #22
                                            I've taken around 30 deposit bonuses there and cleared about 6 ROs. I've never been limited.
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                                            • Headsterx
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 12-03-16
                                              • 23007

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by PharaohUB
                                              I’m skeptical I went on a crazy run and they paid me.
                                              Why? Because they have such a stellar past.
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                                              • ace7550
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 05-08-15
                                                • 3729

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Headsterx
                                                Why? Because they have such a stellar past.
                                                I haven't heard of them ripping anyone off in over 5 years. They have a sordid past but they haven't screwed anyone in a long time.
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                                                • jjgold
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                  • 388179

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ace7550
                                                  I haven't heard of them ripping anyone off in over 5 years. They have a sordid past but they haven't screwed anyone in a long time.
                                                  me either

                                                  know many people way before that that never had an issues
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                                                  • pologq
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 10-07-12
                                                    • 19899

                                                    #26
                                                    i agree with other posts. changing the RO when it was agreed upon in a deposit to me is unfair. there are terms given. the customer accepts. unless they have proof of some other shenanigans the book should have to accept it. people win.
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                                                    • stevex
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 05-02-10
                                                      • 5122

                                                      #27
                                                      Just deposited a decent chunk at this book for their 150% first deposit bonus. Will keep you guys updated if anything changes with my limits.
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                                                      • ace7550
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 05-08-15
                                                        • 3729

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by stevex
                                                        Just deposited a decent chunk at this book for their 150% first deposit bonus. Will keep you guys updated if anything changes with my limits.
                                                        Was that bonus all for sportsbook or was it partially casino?
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                                                        • stevex
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 05-02-10
                                                          • 5122

                                                          #29
                                                          Already limited to $250 on ML's lol.
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                                                          • pimike
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 03-23-08
                                                            • 37139

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by stevex
                                                            Already limited to $250 on ML's lol.
                                                            Shit book

                                                            Unbelievable people defend them.

                                                            Ace, you are the few lucky ones.

                                                            This book has always lied to me. Even in writing they change what they emailed just a day earlier.
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                                                            • ace7550
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 05-08-15
                                                              • 3729

                                                              #31
                                                              I don't understand why they decide to fukc with some people and others (me) can win thousands and not get limited or messed with in any way.
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                                                              • pimike
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 03-23-08
                                                                • 37139

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by ace7550
                                                                I don't understand why they decide to fukc with some people and others (me) can win thousands and not get limited or messed with in any way.
                                                                Not sure either bud..

                                                                Last month they said 100% 10x roll

                                                                Then they said it’s been a long time so I will throw in a free 25% extra if you fund this week.


                                                                Two days later saying I’ll give them one more try.

                                                                So I confirm prior to sending bitcoin.

                                                                I got 100% bonus x 10 roll? With 25% free added to the 100%

                                                                He said yes 125% bonus for only 12 x roll

                                                                I’m like here we go again.
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                                                                • Headsterx
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 12-03-16
                                                                  • 23007

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ace7550
                                                                  I don't understand why they decide to fukc with some people and others (me) can win thousands and not get limited or messed with in any way.

                                                                  As the late Madoff showed, even in a Ponzi scheme some get paid.
                                                                  😂😂😂
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                                                                  • pimike
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 03-23-08
                                                                    • 37139

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Headsterx
                                                                    As the late Madoff showed, even in a Ponzi scheme some get paid.
                                                                    😂😂😂
                                                                    Lol
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                                                                    • KVB
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 05-29-14
                                                                      • 74817

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Headsterx
                                                                      As the late Madoff showed, even in a Ponzi scheme some get paid.
                                                                      
                                                                      Funny and sometimes with some books.
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