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  • tbill1
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    • 12-17-09
    • 124

    #1
    Bet Rivers Rejected my bet
    $20 on Maryland...Are you kidding me????
  • Optional
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    #2
    Live or pre-game?
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    • tbill1
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      • 12-17-09
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      #3
      Pregame...Never had a problem with them since last August when I signed up here in Illinois. Last few weeks every bet I make at 7 in the morning has to be approved for $20. This was the first time one was rejected.
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      • d2bets
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        #4
        Originally posted by tbill1
        Pregame...Never had a problem with them since last August when I signed up here in Illinois. Last few weeks every bet I make at 7 in the morning has to be approved for $20. This was the first time one was rejected.
        Did it say why? There are a number of reasons why a bet could be rejected.
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        • tbill1
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          • 12-17-09
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          #5
          When the Bet slip was telling me I needed approval, it gave me the option to make a lower bet-which I presume would have been accepted. After the $20 was rejected and I tried again a few minutes later, it said my $20 was too high a wager .
          Last edited by tbill1; 03-07-21, 11:40 AM.
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          • d2bets
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            #6
            Originally posted by tbill1
            When the Bet slip was telling me I needed approval, it gave me the option to make a lower bet. After the $20 was rejected and I tried again a few minutes later, it said my $20 was too high a wager .
            Wow. Yeah, you've been limited there. Time to move on. Are you big there and/or why type of bets do you usually place?

            Are you already using all 5 of the IL books?
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            • Optional
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              #7
              I wonder if a real trader is not on duty at 7.00am and you are just getting blocked by a nervous nellie.

              Or maybe the market you bet had not been checked to be open by a real trader. Or maybe it had not been updated in the last few hours so they automatically made it 20 bucks for the moment.

              I've tried to place $50 bets that got reduced to $10 by traders a couple of times at one book I have, but there have been no other signs my personal account is limited there. So think those instances have been nothing to do with me personally. Might be the same for you.
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              • tbill1
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                • 12-17-09
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                #8
                Originally posted by d2bets
                Wow. Yeah, you've been limited there. Time to move on. Are you big there and/or why type of bets do you usually place?

                Are you already using all 5 of the IL books?
                I use Draft Kings, FanDuel , and Bet Rivers. No reason to limit me, as my account is small potatoes and I am down slightly. Other than making $50 NFL bets on Sundays because of their 50 % odds boost, my bets are always $20-$25
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                • tbill1
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                  • 12-17-09
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Optional
                  I wonder if a real trader is not on duty at 7.00am and you are just getting blocked by a nervous nellie.

                  Or maybe the market you bet had not been checked to be open by a real trader. Or maybe it had not been updated in the last few hours so they automatically made it 20 bucks for the moment.

                  I've tried to place $50 bets that got reduced to $10 by traders a couple of times at one book I have, but there have been no other signs my personal account is limited there. So think those instances have been nothing to do with me personally. Might be the same for you.
                  I tend to believe your analysis is correct.
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                  • d2bets
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by tbill1
                    I use Draft Kings, FanDuel , and Bet Rivers. No reason to limit me, as my account is small potatoes and I am down slightly. Other than making $50 NFL bets on Sundays because of their 50 % odds boost, my bets are always $20-$25
                    OK, well then that's weird.

                    You know that Rivers has the exact same lines as Draftkings? And their app sucks. I only use Rivers for the specials. And ocassionally if I can't even down at DK.
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                    • tbill1
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                      • 12-17-09
                      • 124

                      #11
                      Originally posted by d2bets
                      OK, well then that's weird.

                      You know that Rivers has the exact same lines as Draftkings? And their app sucks. I only use Rivers for the specials. And ocassionally if I can't even down at DK.
                      I ended up making it at DK. Just trying to balance my bets between the books, as I already had made several at DK
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                      • littlekona
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                        #12
                        you would think with all the $$$'s on the line they would invest a bit more and get the APP to acceptable working order and easier to navigate. It really is horrible but then they are associated with Churchill downs so there you have the reason as Churchill is a CRAP outfit from head to toes. desktop is fine plus the do have the fastest withdrawals and decent rewards and promo's
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                        • d2bets
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by littlekona
                          you would think with all the $$$'s on the line they would invest a bit more and get the APP to acceptable working order and easier to navigate. It really is horrible but then they are associated with Churchill downs so there you have the reason as Churchill is a CRAP outfit from head to toes. desktop is fine plus the do have the fastest withdrawals and decent rewards and promo's
                          I haven't tried on desktop. How does the geolocate work on the desktop?
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                          • nickfolker23
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                            • 09-27-20
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                            #14
                            Wow $20 is too high of a wager on a non-limited account?

                            Nice 'risk' management...
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                            • littlekona
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by d2bets
                              I haven't tried on desktop. How does the geolocate work on the desktop?
                              you have to download a program that detects. It works great for all of them. Only way I can stay sane using Bet rivers esp
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                              • d2bets
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by littlekona
                                you have to download a program that detects. It works great for all of them. Only way I can stay sane using Bet rivers esp
                                I've got my setup with 2 ipads and my cell phone in front of me. I like the touchscreen betting. Rivers app sucks, but I hardly play there.
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                                • jjgold
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                                  • 07-20-05
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                                  #17
                                  Europe runs most lines usa sportsbooks and lines the same at many properties under this company

                                  Kambi is the world’s trusted sportsbook partner, providing high-performance technology and regulatory certainty across an unmatched range of betting products.


                                  Rivers one of them

                                  PA they run 7 out of 11 books
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                                  • Optional
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                    Europe runs most lines usa sportsbooks and lines the same at many properties under this company

                                    Kambi is the world’s trusted sportsbook partner, providing high-performance technology and regulatory certainty across an unmatched range of betting products.


                                    Rivers one of them

                                    PA they run 7 out of 11 books
                                    Kambi books seem to be doing a great job to me.

                                    Draftkings, BetSafe, Unibet, Parx, Penn National, 888sport etc
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                                    • Shifty
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                                      • 08-10-08
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Optional
                                      Kambi books seem to be doing a great job to me.

                                      Draftkings, BetSafe, Unibet, Parx, Penn National, 888sport etc
                                      DraftKings has more tolerance than the others but they're still very weak for college baskets.
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                                      • d2bets
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Shifty
                                        DraftKings has more tolerance than the others but they're still very weak for college baskets.
                                        Yeah, limits only in the hundreds depending on bet type, timing, and pregame vs. live.

                                        But they let you keep winning.

                                        They're also supposed to be switching away from Kambi by the end of Sept.
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                                        • Shifty
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                                          • 08-10-08
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                                          #21
                                          Just checked the limit. Bet Rivers lets me win $11.94 on college baskets. At DK I can get 10x that amount.
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                                          • d2bets
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Shifty
                                            Just checked the limit. Bet Rivers lets me win $11.94 on college baskets. At DK I can get 10x that amount.
                                            Those are the early limits for DK though, right?

                                            I can do $222.24 right now on Elon total. $681.24 on spread. Actually I think those are regular limits and not the early limits.

                                            Live limits are lower.
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                                            • Shifty
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                                              • 08-10-08
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                                              #23
                                              It may still be on overnight limits. But it doesn't go much higher.
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                                              • d2bets
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                                                Originally posted by Shifty
                                                It may still be on overnight limits. But it doesn't go much higher.
                                                Right. Just curious if we're exactly the same. I'm guessing yes. I think they just have different levels but don't micromanage from there. Mine used to be at least 4x higher.

                                                But once you get down to this level, it looks like they don't limit further.
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                                                • Optional
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                                                  #25
                                                  You probably won't have the same limits.

                                                  One reason book operators like Kambi is that they are supposed to have one of the most accurate and fairest player risk rating systems.

                                                  Kambi backend will limit you to some extent, but if you get collared big time it is the book itself reacting to the Kambi risk rating.

                                                  You can work out what Kambi thinks of you, compared to the actual book, by joining another Kambi book and seeing what limits you have there compared to others.
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                                                  • d2bets
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                    You probably won't have the same limits.

                                                    One reason book operators like Kambi is that they are supposed to have one of the most accurate and fairest player risk rating systems.

                                                    Kambi backend will limit you to some extent, but if you get collared big time it is the book itself reacting to the Kambi risk rating.

                                                    You can work out what Kambi thinks of you, compared to the actual book, by joining another Kambi book and seeing what limits you have there compared to others.
                                                    So Kambi collates your information from various books and assigns a risk rating based on their multiple books and shares that with each??? If so, I did now know that. So far in IL we only have 2 Kambi books (Rivers and DK). But we're going to have more soon. I was hoping they didn't share info like that so I could ease in and mask my play at the newer Kambi books so I don't "kill the golden goose". I love Kambi books, but DK is migrating away so I'll need another one hopefully as tolerant, but that may be a tall task.
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                                                    • Optional
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by d2bets

                                                      So Kambi collates your information from various books and assigns a risk rating based on their multiple books and shares that with each??? If so, I did now know that. So far in IL we only have 2 Kambi books (Rivers and DK). But we're going to have more soon. I was hoping they didn't share info like that so I could ease in and mask my play at the newer Kambi books so I don't "kill the golden goose". I love Kambi books, but DK is migrating away so I'll need another one hopefully as tolerant, but that may be a tall task.
                                                      Yes it's all conglomerated with them.

                                                      But they do not seem to tell book operators what to do as far as limits, so if BetRivers limits you hard it won't mean Draftkings will know that happened or do the same.
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                                                      • Shifty
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                                                        #28
                                                        Not sure if that's the case Opti. I got limited from my already low limits by 2 Kambi books on the same day. They probably didn't like me hitting both books with the same bets every time.
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                                                        • d2bets
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Optional
                                                          Yes it's all conglomerated with them.

                                                          But they do not seem to tell book operators what to do as far as limits, so if BetRivers limits you hard it won't mean Draftkings will know that happened or do the same.
                                                          If that's the case then I'm surprised that Rivers hasn't limited me harder, given what others have said. My limits at Rivers are about the same as DK, but I know many have been limited harder at Rivers. I've mostly just done promos and specials at Rivers (and so I've had some profit, though nothing tremendous), although I have played a few regular plays of recent.

                                                          Barstool is Kambi and they will be joining IL soon. So are you telling me that Barstool will have a risk rating on me based on my play at other books before I place a single wager with them?
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                                                          • Shifty
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by d2bets
                                                            If that's the case then I'm surprised that Rivers hasn't limited me harder, given what others have said. My limits at Rivers are about the same as DK, but I know many have been limited harder at Rivers. I've mostly just done promos and specials at Rivers (and so I've had some profit, though nothing tremendous), although I have played a few regular plays of recent.

                                                            Barstool is Kambi and they will be joining IL soon. So are you telling me that Barstool will have a risk rating on me based on my play at other books before I place a single wager with them?
                                                            You'll be good at Barstool until you get profiled. Try to stay under the radar if that's possible.
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                                                            • Optional
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Shifty
                                                              Not sure if that's the case Opti. I got limited from my already low limits by 2 Kambi books on the same day. They probably didn't like me hitting both books with the same bets every time.
                                                              I got that info from a low level trader in one of their Aussie books.

                                                              So it may not be 100% accurate worldwide, but I think the basic system of Kambi not knowing player names unless they go out of their way to ask operators about specific accounts, and only applying minimal limiting via the backend, and trying to have a system where every book using them is not a clone of the others, is true worldwide.
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by d2bets
                                                                If that's the case then I'm surprised that Rivers hasn't limited me harder, given what others have said. My limits at Rivers are about the same as DK, but I know many have been limited harder at Rivers. I've mostly just done promos and specials at Rivers (and so I've had some profit, though nothing tremendous), although I have played a few regular plays of recent.

                                                                Barstool is Kambi and they will be joining IL soon. So are you telling me that Barstool will have a risk rating on me based on my play at other books before I place a single wager with them?
                                                                I'm not sure enough about the info sharing to know that for certain. From the little I know I'd guess you will start on standard and be profiled from there as a new Barstool customer.

                                                                But as Kambi openly say they collect device fingerprints, there would be nothing to stop them linking up your Barstool and Rivers accounts that way.
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                                                                • Optional
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Actually, I guess if you use different devices and connections for each book, that would stop Kambi auto linking you that way.

                                                                  But I think the key to their business philosophy is trying to make each customer book manage the majority of the player risk decisions. So players don't feel like joining multiple Kambi books is useless.
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                                                                  • d2bets
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Shifty
                                                                    You'll be good at Barstool until you get profiled. Try to stay under the radar if that's possible.
                                                                    Yeah that's my plan. My plan is to use DK as my primary Kambi until that well runs dry. And then move on one-by-one until I get severely limited.

                                                                    Will Hill has been an amazing book for me. I'm still surprised. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
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                                                                    • littlekona
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by d2bets
                                                                      Yeah that's my plan. My plan is to use DK as my primary Kambi until that well runs dry. And then move on one-by-one until I get severely limited.

                                                                      Will Hill has been an amazing book for me. I'm still surprised. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
                                                                      Really? WH IMO is the worst of the 5. I so want it to be good as I love Grand Victoria but man it really needs huge improvements with its markets. by far the worst wagering menu in Illinois. Look at EPL its sick how bad it is for a UK bookmaker
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