Are there any books that really allowing professional winners to continue to play?

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  • ChocMilk23
    SBR MVP
    • 11-04-17
    • 1924

    #1
    Are there any books that really allowing professional winners to continue to play?
    Are there any? I heard Pinnacle does but also that they don't...
  • Tarnski
    SBR Hustler
    • 10-12-20
    • 56

    #2
    Bookmaker
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    • Sawyer
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 06-01-09
      • 7716

      #3
      Originally posted by ChocMilk23
      Are there any? I heard Pinnacle does but also that they don't...
      Well said!

      Even Pinnacle reduces limits if you're constantly beating them.
      Still, you can't compare Pinnacle Limits with softbookmakers. If you don't bet minor leagues such as Russia Volleyball, Nicaragua 2nd League soccer, you should be fine with major league limits. The problem about Pinnacle is, despite the low juice; there's no value on odds. Very hard to find valuable odds in Pinnacle. You can find much better prices in softbookmakers..

      Betfair? There's Premium Charge..

      Nobody likes winners these days..

      Best bet is to use a broker agent company and place your bets via them.
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      • Vyasports
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 01-27-19
        • 4946

        #4
        Originally posted by Sawyer
        Well said!

        Even Pinnacle reduces limits if you're constantly beating them.
        Still, you can't compare Pinnacle Limits with softbookmakers. If you don't bet minor leagues such as Russia Volleyball, Nicaragua 2nd League soccer, you should be fine with major league limits. The problem about Pinnacle is, despite the low juice; there's no value on odds. Very hard to find valuable odds in Pinnacle. You can find much better prices in softbookmakers..

        Betfair? There's Premium Charge..

        Nobody likes winners these days..

        Best bet is to use a broker agent company and place your bets via them.
        I agree about pinny, i used to win a lot in soccer there, i noticed whenever i placed a bet on soccer (over/under goals) the odds would decrease. I dnt know if i was being targeted... I even emailed them about this but they denied it saying there was no limits to my account. But the prb was odds were decreasing even when i was not placing max stakes per bets...so ....
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        • Vyasports
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-27-19
          • 4946

          #5
          Originally posted by Sawyer

          Best bet is to use a broker agent company and place your bets via them.
          any suggestions?
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          • Sawyer
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 06-01-09
            • 7716

            #6
            Originally posted by Vyasports
            any suggestions?
            Betinasia's Black platform is very useful.
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            • Optional
              Administrator
              • 06-10-10
              • 61246

              #7
              It depends on what sort of "professional" you are.

              People who call themselves sharp or pro, but turn out to be nothing more than Multi-accounters, steam chasers and shot takers, are a dime a dozen around here.

              They are the only people Pinny, Bookmaker and Betonline are penalizing 95% of the time.

              You won't be booted for "simply winning too much" at any of those three.
              .
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              • Crusherrr
                SBR MVP
                • 06-27-16
                • 3649

                #8
                Depends on what you are winning at too. I only stick to major markets. NFL,NBA,MLB mostly. If I'm betting smaller markets its at lesser known books and I know I stand a chance of being limited or booted. It's definitely interesting analyzing data and where you win and how much and how you are treated.
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                • Stallion
                  SBR MVP
                  • 03-21-10
                  • 3616

                  #9
                  Pinnacle
                  Bookmaker
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                  • Shutup
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-15-17
                    • 2435

                    #10
                    Any book will limit no matter how good they are if you win enough. Let you play? Yes. But they will limit
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                    • deeppckts
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 12-19-12
                      • 830

                      #11
                      pinnacle bm and betonline will never boot or limit you on major markets
                      BOL will on smaller markets, BM maybe, Pinn never.
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                      • HomeRun35
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 05-09-20
                        • 182

                        #12
                        Originally posted by deeppckts
                        pinnacle bm and betonline will never boot or limit you on major markets
                        I've seen Pinnacle limit in MLB.

                        In my personal experience, BM and BOL/LV will not limit. Some posters on here have been limited by LowVig. I make a point to never bet steam and always let those books move if they want to move before making my bet. An example would be on BM, they have an initial auto-move in most markets and depending on your account the trader will move it extra. I always give them a minute or so before double maxing if it's a market where the trader usually moves extra off my first bet. Could I get away with trying to beat their trader to my double max before he gets to it? Possibly, but I'd rather not roll the dice on them caring and then limiting me
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                        • Limited
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 09-18-15
                          • 303

                          #13
                          Someone said Bookmaker. Well, yes, they allow pros to play, but they don't like them. Removed loyalty program hits very fast, next is reduced WD limits with 3,5% fees even on BTC.
                          EDIT: Forgot to mention, BM also removes some markets to pros, like Tennis Challenger/ITF ...
                          And no, I never used someone's else account.

                          So answer to OP's question is Pinnacle only.
                          Last edited by Limited; 01-12-21, 08:42 AM.
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                          • 70'sMan
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 02-12-12
                            • 744

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Limited
                            Someone said Bookmaker. Well, yes, they allow pros to play, but they don't like them. Removed loyalty program hits very fast, next is reduced WD limits with 3,5% fees even on BTC.
                            EDIT: Forgot to mention, BM also removes some markets to pros, like Tennis Challenger/ITF ...
                            And no, I never used someone's else account.

                            So answer to OP's question is Pinnacle only.
                            Bingo. Finally someone who knows.
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                            • HomeRun35
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 05-09-20
                              • 182

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Limited
                              Someone said Bookmaker. Well, yes, they allow pros to play, but they don't like them. Removed loyalty program hits very fast, next is reduced WD limits with 3,5% fees even on BTC.
                              EDIT: Forgot to mention, BM also removes some markets to pros, like Tennis Challenger/ITF ...
                              And no, I never used someone's else account.

                              So answer to OP's question is Pinnacle only.
                              BM removes Challenger and some Table Tennis markets but leaves up about a million other small and very beatable markets for "non-recreational". That's your criteria for not allowing pros? Give me a break


                              Originally posted by 70'sMan
                              Bingo. Finally someone who knows.
                              And there's a completely incorrect "confirmation" of bad information that I see too often here.
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                              • 70'sMan
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 02-12-12
                                • 744

                                #16
                                Originally posted by HomeRun35
                                BM removes Challenger and some Table Tennis markets but leaves up about a million other small and very beatable markets for "non-recreational". That's your criteria for not allowing pros? Give me a break




                                And there's a completely incorrect "confirmation" of bad information that I see too often here.
                                Obviously you don't play on my account.
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                                • 70'sMan
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 02-12-12
                                  • 744

                                  #17


                                  If I could post a picture here I would show you.

                                  There I changed my avatar. That is a $10 ml parlay in college basketball.

                                  Last edited by 70'sMan; 01-12-21, 10:33 AM.
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                                  • Limited
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 09-18-15
                                    • 303

                                    #18
                                    BM removes Challenger and some Table Tennis markets but leaves up about a million other small and very beatable markets for "non-recreational". That's your criteria for not allowing pros? Give me a break
                                    I Never said that BM doesn't allow pros. Learn to read. And no, it is not only about ITF, but if you don't see the value in say Challenger, then you don't know much.
                                    Last edited by Limited; 01-12-21, 11:15 AM.
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                                    • jazzmonkey
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 06-27-08
                                      • 130

                                      #19
                                      This is true, happened to me too. Also BOL limits.
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                                      • Limited
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 09-18-15
                                        • 303

                                        #20
                                        But on the other hand to be clear BM is still one of the best bookies out there. It is safe and they don't limit individual accounts.
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                                        • jazzmonkey
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 06-27-08
                                          • 130

                                          #21
                                          Guess point is that there are books that will allow winners or 'pros' to continue betting either indefinitely or ultimately with some kind of limiting in place that at least allows a half decent stake. These have been mentioned already and other than exchanges or some asian books that is about it
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                                          • DroopyDog
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-03-16
                                            • 1255

                                            #22
                                            Stake (crypto book) allows sharps to play, your limit may be reduced if you are constantly beating the market on lines
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                                            • 70'sMan
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 02-12-12
                                              • 744

                                              #23
                                              Bottom line for me is that I love Bookmaker and I have played there over 20 years. It is incorrect to think that they don't attempt to limit or reduce the edge that certain players have. I respect and honor that right. I am certain that what is limited or blocked varies by player. To me some of it makes no sense. For instance I cannot bet teasers or moneyline parlays. I have no idea why. Also I am in no way a PRO.
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                                              • Limited
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 09-18-15
                                                • 303

                                                #24
                                                Stake (crypto book) allows sharps to play, your limit may be reduced if you are constantly beating the market on lines
                                                And will they request KYC once you have a collar and you want to payout? I mean, without KYC limiting individual accounts makes no sense.
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                                                • DroopyDog
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 11-03-16
                                                  • 1255

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Limited
                                                  And will they request KYC once you have a collar and you want to payout? I mean, without KYC limiting individual accounts makes no sense.
                                                  They are very good at tracking multi accounts. Ive yet to hear of anyone be KYC'd
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                                                  • HomeRun35
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 05-09-20
                                                    • 182

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by 70'sMan
                                                    There I changed my avatar. That is a $10 ml parlay in college basketball.
                                                    I am not allowed to bet parlays at all there. Makes no difference to a professional, which is what this thread is directed at



                                                    Originally posted by Limited
                                                    I Never said that BM doesn't allow pros. Learn to read. And no, it is not only about ITF, but if you don't see the value in say Challenger, then you don't know much.
                                                    Of course there's value in Challenger and Table Tennis. They also have half limits on non-recreational accounts for NBA sims. I just don't think banning or half-limiting a handful of inefficient markets rises to the level of them "not liking pros playing there" as you said. They still deal full limits on LOADS of inefficient markets and it seems to be a consensus that they do not cut limits in those or in major markets regardless of how good you are
                                                    Last edited by HomeRun35; 01-12-21, 05:47 PM.
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                                                    • Limited
                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                      • 09-18-15
                                                      • 303

                                                      #27
                                                      Well, like I said, BM is one of the best, but paying 350$ on every 10k WD including Bitcoin, that is not really pros friendly. Among other mention things. I could say more about ridiculous WD limits/per method, that I have in my account, but I will rather not share that public. Again, they are top bookmaker.
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                                                      • vampire assassin
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 03-09-18
                                                        • 296

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by 70'sMan
                                                        Bottom line for me is that I love Bookmaker and I have played there over 20 years. It is incorrect to think that they don't attempt to limit or reduce the edge that certain players have. I respect and honor that right. I am certain that what is limited or blocked varies by player. To me some of it makes no sense. For instance I cannot bet teasers or moneyline parlays. I have no idea why. Also I am in no way a PRO.
                                                        Check your teasers again. I had them blocked, and they are back for me (but still no parlays).
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                                                        • HomeRun35
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 05-09-20
                                                          • 182

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Limited
                                                          Well, like I said, BM is one of the best, but paying 350$ on every 10k WD including Bitcoin, that is not really pros friendly.
                                                          That's CRIS. BookMaker hasn't done that. There is one report in the other thread of BM shorting a guy exactly 3.5% but I have done a cashout since that was posted and got the exact amount requested(BTC).
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                                                          • hustledouble
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 11-26-13
                                                            • 189

                                                            #30
                                                            These threads never go anywhere because there's always some jamoke who comes in and claims to be limited at any book you can name and then complains about how when they went to withdraw the book not only limited them but didn't tickle their taint and offer them a free t-bone steak on top

                                                            Remember everybody is a winner
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                                                            • Motorhead11
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 09-04-18
                                                              • 238

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by DroopyDog
                                                              Stake (crypto book) allows sharps to play, your limit may be reduced if you are constantly beating the market on lines
                                                              Stake limited me after 2k profit and i didn;t even placed big bets
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                                                              • vk.sab
                                                                SBR Rookie
                                                                • 10-15-18
                                                                • 21

                                                                #32
                                                                Only Pinnacle,

                                                                Bookmaker will block your access to certain sports like Tennis

                                                                And betonline will for sure limit your bets...
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