Nitrogen new rule lets them freeroll

[PunisherIND]

Received this message from nitrogen CS yesterday:

We needed to reach out to our clients in order to remind them of a recent update to our site rules.https://nitrogensports.eu/n/rules - Parlays > Rule #3
“Although alt lines can be added to parlays on certain leagues, parlays with alternate lines are not allowed. Nitrogen reserves the right to void any winnings of parlays placed using alt lines and clients are forewarned that losing parlays that include alternate lines will not be voided.”

Pretty clear and brazen freeroll.

[dmm]

Why don't they just update their front end to prevent players from placing bets that violate the rules? Beyond that, they should definitely void any bets before start time. If they are writing tickets, not voiding them before match start, and then voiding winners, that's extremely sketchy.

[littlekona]

Why don't they just update their front end to prevent players from placing bets that violate the rules? Beyond that, they should definitely void any bets before start time. If they are writing tickets, not voiding them before match start, and then voiding winners, that's extremely sketchy.

because they are too busy catering and providing freebies to the degens in the chat troll. No improvement to site or to loyal bettors it has actually went backwards

[LT Profits]

“Although alt lines can be added to parlays on certain leagues, parlays with alternate lines are not allowed."

Um, WHAT? lol

[LT Profits]

I think that means Alt lines are never allowed in parlays BUT the system allows you to put them in?

[PunisherIND]

Why don't they just update their front end to prevent players from placing bets that violate the rules? Beyond that, they should definitely void any bets before start time. If they are writing tickets, not voiding them before match start, and then voiding winners, that's extremely sketchy.

Exactly this. And the wording, "Reserve the right to void winnings" sounds like it would be after the bet has won.

[Optional]

I think that means Alt lines are never allowed in parlays BUT the system allows you to put them in?

That is what it says.

Not great but at least they warned players. Quite a few books allow you to place bets that break terms and then penalize players for it.

[Optional]

Exactly this. And the wording, "Reserve the right to void winnings" sounds like it would be after the bet has won.

It would not be voiding winnings if it was before the bet has won.


Hopefully they will simply remove that leg from parlays and pay properly on other legs. And do not grade any parlays losses due to an ALT line leg losing.

[PunisherIND]

I think that means Alt lines are never allowed in parlays BUT the system allows you to put them in?

Hah, poor wording for sure. But i think you have the correct interpretation.

[OVAKUL]

This is screwed up.

[LT Profits]

One interpretation (granted with just ABYSMAL wording) is that alt lines will simply be ignored, so by "losing parlays that include alternate lines will not be voided", they are talking about parlays that would have lost with the allowable plays anyway, and if winning parlays include alt lines, the payout just reduces by taking out alt line(s).

Again, yes the wording is terrible. but if what I said is correct, then they are not freerolling. If accurate, they could simply say up front something like "Alt lines that system allows into parlays will be ignored", then at least everyone would know what is going on.

[InsiderHer]

Why don't they just update their front end to prevent players from placing bets that violate the rules? Beyond that, they should definitely void any bets before start time. If they are writing tickets, not voiding them before match start, and then voiding winners, that's extremely sketchy.

Because they don't own the live betting software?

[Optional]

@ Regular Nitro bettors; Is it always completely obvious when you are choosing to bet an "Alt Line" there?

[littlekona]

@ Regular Nitro bettors; Is it always completely obvious when you are choosing to bet an "Alt Line" there?

I was told buying or selling any points or goals off the main line ect via the drop downs for parlays can be considered a alt line...The funny part is when i asked w specific examples they had no answers but to say they will send a warning first before voiding tickets...it seems to me the policy will target players who beat them....they did ban alt line parlay in nfl last year but those where specific markers designated as alt lines....very strange what is going on w nitro

[Barrakuda]

That is what it says.

Not great but at least they warned players. Quite a few books allow you to place bets that break terms and then penalize players for it.

LOL. At least they are announcing the freeroll, right? They could prevent it from happening with two lines of code, but they don't want to.

Blatant theft.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Nitrogen is turning to shiit. The worst juice in the business. Why can't there be other BTC book that's similar but with better juice?

[Optional]

LOL. At least they are announcing the freeroll, right? They could prevent it from happening with two lines of code, but they don't want to.

Blatant theft.

I was expecting they planned to ignore both winners and losers if ALT lines were included when I made that comment.

[LT Profits]

LOL. At least they are announcing the freeroll, right? They could prevent it from happening with two lines of code, but they don't want to.

Blatant theft.

I was expecting they planned to ignore both winners and losers if ALT lines were included when I made that comment.

Right, pretty sure their intent is what I said in Post #11. It is just my wording is 1000x better
And it is not freerolling if my interpretation is accurate.

[pologq]

wow that def is a little suspect

they are setting up bets to be voided

[LT Profits]

wow that def is a little suspect

they are setting up bets to be voided

Not if what I said is correct, just contact them directly. And If I am correct, you can even suggest they change their wording to mine

Should be simple like Alt lines accepted by system in parlays will be ignored. Not the nonsensical long-winded crap they have now. There is no "judgment" when if comes to winning/losing parlays, just ignore alt lines like they're not there. Ergo, not free-rolling.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

So I asked them what leagues are allowed and this was their response...

Hello,

We apologize since the original message was too vague and not clear enough.

A general Support message was sent to all clients informing them of a recent rule change. Clients may continue to bet parlays normally, if our regular fraud reviews were to identify any clear abuse (resulting in limit circumvention, flipped lines, etc.) with alternate lines, clients will be contacted and an official warning will be issued clearly identifying those bets.

Alternate lines are the lines that are displayed in the drop down menu where you are allowed to give away or receive points modifying the odds. We do allow clients to buy points on parlays, but there are certain cases when an abusive behavior can be clearly identified. We are sending this reminder to our clients given that we have identified certain scenarios of abuse that were already dealt with individually and those clients have been informed. Note that if you did not receive a direct warning on previous parlays in regards to this matter, you have nothing to worry about.

We have also proceeded to modify the aforementioned rule:

Although alt lines can be added to parlays on certain leagues, clients that are found abusing alternate lines (resulting in limit circumventing, flipped lines, etc.) will be contacted and issued a warning clearly identifying problematic bets. After said warning is issued and if the behavior continues, Nitrogen reserves the right to void any winnings of parlays placed using alt lines and clients are forewarned that losing parlays that include alternate lines will not be voided.

We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused, however, your understanding and patience is appreciated.

Best regards,

I guess this makes more sense but still not 100% clear.

This was a parlay from yesterday, would this be voided since I used an alt line for the total? I wish I would've hit to see how they would grade it.

https://nitrogensports.eu/betslip/81da805RENsL0ZBTklUQWwwRURWQXRBcGZDdz09/r/4929721/

[LT Profits]

OK so alt lines legal but subject to review. If circumventing is substantiated, I would go the Pinnacle route of giving customer choice: either have bet(s) voided or pay out in full with perma-ban.

[Optional]

So I asked them what leagues are allowed and this was their response...

Hello,

We apologize since the original message was too vague and not clear enough.

A general Support message was sent to all clients informing them of a recent rule change. Clients may continue to bet parlays normally, if our regular fraud reviews were to identify any clear abuse (resulting in limit circumvention, flipped lines, etc.) with alternate lines, clients will be contacted and an official warning will be issued clearly identifying those bets.

Alternate lines are the lines that are displayed in the drop down menu where you are allowed to give away or receive points modifying the odds. We do allow clients to buy points on parlays, but there are certain cases when an abusive behavior can be clearly identified. We are sending this reminder to our clients given that we have identified certain scenarios of abuse that were already dealt with individually and those clients have been informed. Note that if you did not receive a direct warning on previous parlays in regards to this matter, you have nothing to worry about.

We have also proceeded to modify the aforementioned rule:

Although alt lines can be added to parlays on certain leagues, clients that are found abusing alternate lines (resulting in limit circumventing, flipped lines, etc.) will be contacted and issued a warning clearly identifying problematic bets. After said warning is issued and if the behavior continues, Nitrogen reserves the right to void any winnings of parlays placed using alt lines and clients are forewarned that losing parlays that include alternate lines will not be voided.

We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused, however, your understanding and patience is appreciated.

Best regards,

I guess this makes more sense but still not 100% clear.

This was a parlay from yesterday, would this be voided since I used an alt line for the total? I wish I would've hit to see how they would grade it.

https://nitrogensports.eu/betslip/81...z09/r/4929721/

It only seems vague as they don't want to explain exactly how to game their system.

I think that message makes it clear that if you do not know you are doing something wrong, you are fine to bet any alt line they offer.

And if you accidentally bet something they don't like, they will warn you personally.

[littlekona]

Nitrogen is turning to shiit. The worst juice in the business. Why can't there be other BTC book that's similar but with better juice?

Ive said for a while they are only book that does not even try to get better...it was better 5 years ago..
Now even withdrawal are taking 24 hours. Plus like u said juice is high...its a train wreck today nitrogen.
Fairlay is solid alternative esp now with the APP its very much superior in everything except poker

[NYproGambler]

Nitrogen is really shit book. They do not understand that new rule does not make sense at all. I don't know how true this is but I saw ppl saying on chat that nitrogen has new owners.. so this could be the reason why .. i tried to argue with their support but we all know how that goes.. they are always right. So i left nitrogen and I no longer play there.. and within a week period recently, they put my payout on review 4 different times. This book is really becoming shit book.

[littlekona]

they are done. they consider buying half a point or goal ALT line yet will accept the wager then basically freeroll you if they choose. Also withdrawals now are not each at top of the hour like past, TANK City!


We hope this ticket finds you well. We are reaching out to you in regards to your betting activity. Please bear in mind alternate lines are restricted in parlays, with few exceptions. However, it was identified and is currently under review, that players have been able to add restricted alternate lines to parlays. Please note that in the future parlays containing alt lines, certain events might be excluded and that will result in the cancellation of the bet. Please refer to the following rule: Nitrogen Sports may exclude any event, league or sport from being able to be parlayed at any time. Although alt lines can be parlayed on certain leagues, we reserve the right to void any winnings of parlays placed using alt lines. The maximum payout in one calendar day for any parlay is the equivalent to $150,000 in BTC. We appreciate your understanding and apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause you.”

We appreciate your understanding and apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause you.”

[70'sMan]

First if you take the bet you should pay the bet. We are not talking about line errors, correlated events or manipulated lines. We are talking about properly calculated derivatives of the widely available lines. Either take them down or fix your software to prevent the bet. This is not the players problem.

Secondly what is the alt line? Lately Nitrogen has been showing some wild lines as the primary line. Like a team widely available at -1.5 is showing as +1.5 -10000. The common lines worldwide are showing as alt lines at Nitrogen. So who knows what they even consider to be an alt line.

Look I get it. You are losing your ass. These lower leagues have been a players candy store since reopening. Simple solution ... no parlays at Nitrogen. Is that really what you want?

[littlekona]

they are just in full tank mode. They have games where default line is off so I asked them about buying and or selling pts.

Will there be a warning first if you parlay buy sell pts goals that is my question. Will bets stand until you receive the warning ? And will the bets stand until that is received with exact bets? buying pts is common in betting parlays you guys are making it tough to use use and may lose many customers


get this back...


Thank you for contacting us.

Buying points on parlays is not common, that will actually be a teaser. Teaser have way lower payouts than a parlay and a limited amount of teams that you can bet on. My suggestion to you is to refrain from including adjusted lines on parlays so we can avoid any future inconveniences.

Please do not hesitate to contact us back if you require assistance on this or any other matter.

[ThaWoj]

The NHL lines have been shit. No alt lines, no 60 min lines, lines get taken off the board well before faceoff, no/limited live, 1st period options very limited, never any 2nd or 3rd period options.. ever...even though there are tabs for it.

Makes me keep going back to 5dimes even tho I hate the withdrawal process and even the deposit process somewhat.

Gonna check out the fairlay app.

[Barrakuda]

"Reserve the right to void" = freeroll.

[jjgold]

Nitro never a great book

Horrific juice

[Optional]

Thank you for contacting us.

Buying points on parlays is not common, that will actually be a teaser. Teaser have way lower payouts than a parlay and a limited amount of teams that you can bet on. My suggestion to you is to refrain from including adjusted lines on parlays so we can avoid any future inconveniences.

Please do not hesitate to contact us back if you require assistance on this or any other matter.

I suspect they are telling you what the actual problem they have is there.

Sounds like sharp players have been building parlays that payoff better than the equivalent teaser.

I'd assume that if you don't do that, you can parlay whatever else you like in reality.


Funny thing is, I would bet dollars to donuts that they are suddenly getting way more parlays that include alt lines since this came out in public