All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

[Alfie White]

Hm, I am now looking at the Today's ATP Tokyo there are Games / Set HDP, 1st / 2nd Set winner, Total Games; for Basketball you are correct, there are few markets missing (like Team Total you said), but overall for those, other, markets I use that PS3838 account you mentioned and I am satisfied overall.

Can be that you didn't add all the markets for sports? There is a button on the platform saying "Add Markets", maybe that is the issue for you? Still, I agree with you, it is not perfect, but it suits my trading activities.

[Limited]

So far as I know,

SM PRO only covers main lines in sports and mostly soccer. IE in tennis not even games HDP are included. No props, no team totals.... Coverage on US sports is quite poor too.

PRIVATE BOOKIES ACCOUNTS, only ps3838 which is Pin clone is possible at the moment i was told by their CS few days ago.

Said that, they are probably one of the most safe brokers, If you are a high roller (skype betting) or mostly in soccer and you can't access original Pinnacle, they can be useful.

Alfie, feel free to correct me, if I said something wrong.

[Alfie White]

I am mainly using SM for my trading and can't recommend them enough, top shelf in every aspect.

[Alfie White]

this happened to me 3 years ago. after all that was said and done. it was a BIA employee that stole the money. ultimately they refunded my money.

Whoa, this is DARK, but confirms that there is some foul play happening.

yellow, given the nature of your replies, I can't quite agree with Opti in terms of you handling this badly - if you speak with them the same way you speak here, there is not much more you can do. Especially if you have given a very clear explanation on what happened and that you are exposed from all ends.

Why this is a problem - BF is giving their API to OX and OX has made their own whitelabel where all the accounts created are placing bets through that one account. There are several problems here - bet ID is different; OX might be taking position on your bets so your bet might not be 1/1 matched against some other BF player, but rather in some other split (80/20, 60/40 etc) so it might be a bit complicated to locate your bet; privacy issues, BF can't really "trust" on what is happening to 3rd party, since the OX is the owner of the account where the bet has been placed... These are only few things that come to mind from the top of my head.

Now, you may try what Opti said, but with a different approach - contact them via escalations @ betfair com email, make a simple, clear and elaborate explanation on what happened, attach screenshots of your OX account with the bets in question and ask them to try and find who is responsible for this. This is your best bet, I am fairly certain that BIA won't do anything to assist you properly.

gl

[yellowstorm21]

You must be handling it badly. Others with the same problem manage to get help. Every time I can recall it being posted on here.

this is what they told me for the 3rd time..

My apologies for this, understand that this might be frustrating however unfortunately I am not able to help as this is a third party website and is not managed by Betfair.

[yellowstorm21]

You must be handling it badly. Others with the same problem manage to get help. Every time I can recall it being posted on here.

I have contacted with Betfair twice so far via their live chat. Twice I gave them a detailed picture of my issue, twice they told me to turn to my agent for assistance. I was not rude with them at all, I do not know what you mean, that "I hand it badly"...it has been 10 days so far that all my free time , my effort, my concerns are spent on this issue, that is why I am bothering you guys in this forum. And, of course, I am grateful for your help and your replies. What else can I do with Betfair, shall I email them as well? I agree with you , they seem to be the only side where I can find a solution but as they have stated me so far, they have nothing to do with orbit's members.

[Optional]

I will keep disturbing Betfair, until now they kindly reject all my complaints saying that it is their responsibility.

You must be handling it badly. Others with the same problem manage to get help. Every time I can recall it being posted on here.

[yellowstorm21]

They are unlikely to do anything more than make excuses unless their relationship with Betfair is threatened.

Show Betfair the fake account entries and demand that they investigate THEIR agent.




Talk to Betfair like it is 100% their problem and cannot be palmed off to any third party.

That is what works.

I will keep disturbing Betfair, until now they kindly reject all my complaints saying that it is their responsibility.

[yellowstorm21]

this happened to me 3 years ago. after all that was said and done. it was a BIA employee that stole the money. ultimately they refunded my money.

really? As you have read my friend, I am very suspicious about BIA as well. but how they admitted someone insider stole your money after 3 years? how you managed to get your money back and after such a long time you managed to keep your case alive? in my case they said that lost funds is not their responsibility. how do you believe I should proceed?

[Optional]

They are unlikely to do anything more than make excuses unless their relationship with Betfair is threatened.

Show Betfair the fake account entries and demand that they investigate THEIR agent.

Talk to Betfair like it is 100% their problem and cannot be palmed off to any third party.

That is what works.

[Foosball Champ]

this happened to me 3 years ago. after all that was said and done. it was a BIA employee that stole the money. ultimately they refunded my money.

[yellowstorm21]

hi to everyone. here is a short update to my situation. BIA has informed me that according to Orbit's investigation there wasn't any fund passing caused from my bet, so the 2900 euros stolen from my account happened because my credentials were hacked and this is my own responsibility...Of course I strongly disagree with this statement, since they never answered directly to my questions:
1. from which IP the bet was placed?
2. have they traced any account which immediately matched that bet (everything was organised and executed in 30 minutes)
3. why the odds of that bet are displayed differently in my betting history at orbit? (in "my bet" section the bet's odds are displayed as 2.00 and at the same time , in "my account" section the same bet's odds are displayed as 132.50, please check the screenshots that I have uploaded)

https://ibb.co/6ydD7xh

https://ibb.co/T15y1t3

Is this normal? Have you seen such thing in orbit betting history?

Guys, really I would appreciate any help, any guidance, it is against my consciousness to give up, because I know that I didn't do any mistake from my side.
thanks a lot for the time you spend to read my posts.

[oscark43]

If you plan to use OrbitX, use them but with severe caution (don't keep much funds there overnight), otherwise there are better brokers out there.

Alfie, which brokers would you say are better?

[Optional]

This guy does not like them

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3710007-violated-orbit-account.html

He thinks they placed fake bets in his account to steal his funds.

[flyingillini]

I am just curious about them. Pinny is my main book. I don't know a thing about them

[Alfie White]

If you plan to use OrbitX, use them but with severe caution (don't keep much funds there overnight), otherwise there are better brokers out there.

[flyingillini]

Betinasia.com

Anyone have any experience playing here?

[yellowstorm21]

This happened before with BIA's Orbit accounts, it smells as if it is inside job as even before we have seen reports exact same thing happening where losing bet is smashed on cricket.

Eventually, none of the funds are repaid and ball is bounced all over the place shifting the blame from one side to another. They will claim your PW hasn't been secure and that you leaked it somehow, somewhere.

From what I know bet-football is mastermind behind orbit, so you might want to contact them as well and see if they can do something, but I wouldn't get my hopes up since that bet might've been matched somewhere else rather than Orbit (directly on BF, or any of the brokers offering BF liquidity.

Anyway, best of luck.

thanks. can you recall in the past similar issues with so high staked losing bets on cricket?

[yellowstorm21]

just to add another possible explanation: did you ever (try to) use the Orbitxch (without "e") site to login instead of Orbitexch? There's aa explicit note at the top of the site saying that you should absolutely never use your credentials elsewhere, so I guess they have experienced phishing issues in the past - and that could easily lead to something like this to happen of course.

I do not think so, BIA answered that they did not notice any phising attempt in my account...I am really desperate, I do not know how should I proceed with this issue.

[yellowstorm21]

This happened before with BIA's Orbit accounts, it smells as if it is inside job as even before we have seen reports exact same thing happening where losing bet is smashed on cricket.

Eventually, none of the funds are repaid and ball is bounced all over the place shifting the blame from one side to another. They will claim your PW hasn't been secure and that you leaked it somehow, somewhere.

From what I know bet-football is mastermind behind orbit, so you might want to contact them as well and see if they can do something, but I wouldn't get my hopes up since that bet might've been matched somewhere else rather than Orbit (directly on BF, or any of the brokers offering BF liquidity.

Anyway, best of luck.

thanks a lot. I contacted with bet-football, they said that I will have to find a solution via my agents, since they have no access to my account.

[infotimbo]

I am pretty sure that the fraud comes from their side. My IP wasn't hacked, neither someone hacked my account, they did it themselves.

just to add another possible explanation: did you ever (try to) use the Orbitxch (without "e") site to login instead of Orbitexch? There's aa explicit note at the top of the site saying that you should absolutely never use your credentials elsewhere, so I guess they have experienced phishing issues in the past - and that could easily lead to something like this to happen of course.

[Alfie White]

This happened before with BIA's Orbit accounts, it smells as if it is inside job as even before we have seen reports exact same thing happening where losing bet is smashed on cricket.

Eventually, none of the funds are repaid and ball is bounced all over the place shifting the blame from one side to another. They will claim your PW hasn't been secure and that you leaked it somehow, somewhere.

From what I know bet-football is mastermind behind orbit, so you might want to contact them as well and see if they can do something, but I wouldn't get my hopes up since that bet might've been matched somewhere else rather than Orbit (directly on BF, or any of the brokers offering BF liquidity.

Anyway, best of luck.

[Optional]

thanks again! I contacted with Betfair and they told me that they do not have any connection to Orbit, Betfair is just providing Orbit with software. I found this link

https://www.xn--orbtexch-vkb.com/contact/

but the message I am trying to send , cannot be sent, "please try later" it says. I wonder how I will be able to reach directly Orbit.

I don't know. Betfair is who I think you need to work on speaking with.

But good luck with it.

[yellowstorm21]

you will find an internal account ID in your betting history they can use. Or the agent will find you from the exact bet time.

No need to mention BIA... Orbit is Betfairs partner in this. Just explain a mystery bet appeared and you want BF to check if Orbit isn't the one messing with you. keep it simple.

https://support.betfair.com/app/contact_us/?launchMessenger=1&msgCategory=unauth-dispute&_gl=1*187dmp7*_ga*MTI2Mjk5NTIzMi4xNjY0NDAxMzg4*_ga_K0W97M6SNZ*MTY2NDQwMTM4OC4xLjAuMTY2NDQwMTM4OC42MC4wLjA

Wait for the robot chat to load and answer the screening questions.

thanks again! I contacted with Betfair and they told me that they do not have any connection to Orbit, Betfair is just providing Orbit with software. I found this link

https://www.xn--orbtexch-vkb.com/contact/

but the message I am trying to send , cannot be sent, "please try later" it says. I wonder how I will be able to reach directly Orbit.

[Optional]

Here are betfairs full instructions for all countries in case you need more info about how to proceed

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Dispute.Resolution/

[Optional]

thank you for your reply my friend. You mean that I can contact with Betfair, although my account is at Orbit , which was created via BetInAsia? At Orbit I am only a username, would Betfair still be willing to deal with my problem?

you will find an internal account ID in your betting history they can use. Or the agent will find you from the exact bet time.

No need to mention BIA... Orbit is Betfairs partner in this. Just explain a mystery bet appeared and you want BF to check if Orbit isn't the one messing with you. keep it simple.

https://support.betfair.com/app/contact_us/?launchMessenger=1&msgCategory=unauth-dispute&_gl=1*187dmp7*_ga*MTI2Mjk5NTIzMi4xNjY0NDAxMzg4*_ga_K0W97M6SNZ*MTY2NDQwMTM4OC4xLjAuMTY2NDQwMTM4OC42MC4wLjA

Wait for the robot chat to load and answer the screening questions.

[yellowstorm21]

I think your best option is to go to Betfair directly and make the accusation to them.

They can quickly see if the bet was logged from a different IP, who matched it, and if that account/s look suspicious.

Don't try to explain all this stuff about I dont bet cricket. You only need to say I did not place this bet and think your agent did it to steal from me.

And before someone chimes in to say they won't help you, I know that they will. There are other threads here about BF Agents who did get help from BF.

Give them the account ID/s you can see in your betting history and they can find you.

thank you for your reply my friend. You mean that I can contact with Betfair, although my account is at Orbit , which was created via BetInAsia? At Orbit I am only a username, would Betfair still be willing to deal with my problem?

[yellowstorm21]

so was their goal to win and then withdraw to themselves?

i would escalate as high as you can go

yes my friend, I am pretty sure that the fraud comes from their side. My IP wasn't hacked, neither someone hacked my account, they did it themselves. I would like to hear ideas and thoughts about how I can react to this crime!

[Optional]

I think your best option is to go to Betfair directly and make the accusation to them.

They can quickly see if the bet was logged from a different IP, who matched it, and if that account/s look suspicious.

Don't try to explain all this stuff about I dont bet cricket. You only need to say I did not place this bet and think your agent did it to steal from me.

And before someone chimes in to say they won't help you, I know that they will. There are other threads here about BF Agents who did get help from BF.

Give them the account ID/s you can see in your betting history and they can find you.



https://support.betfair.com/app/cont...TM4OC42MC4wLjA.

[yellowstorm21]

I know it is difficult. I immediately contacted with BIA, they said they forwarded the message to their relevant department...I gave them an exact picture of me as a player. They can see all my bets (back and lay), usually small amounts, only on soccer, tennis and e sports...Betting 2900 euros on cricket is madness, that is why I asked them to investigate the IP which was used to log in to my account..

[yellowstorm21]

someone who follows cricket events and markets could tell me perhaps. I would appreciate it!

[yellowstorm21]

that is why I would need the help of someone who knows about cricket. I bet only on soccer, esports and tennis

[Foxx]

That sucks. I think it would be important to know if that was fair odds or not.

What were the odds matched?

[yellowstorm21]

thanks for your replies guys.

[infotimbo]

so was their goal to win and then withdraw to themselves?

I have no clue about cricket either, but I'd guess it was used to transfer the money to another account, using a bet which was never going to win anyway. Or was "133 1st Innings 30 Overs" (whatever it means) a fair pre-game line for that match?