Corey up to no good again, this time at Heritage. Hits 2 Royals and is owed 43K

[raiders72001]

From sportingbet

I.B.A.S. Commitment

• To guarantee impartiality and fairness to both parties.
• To look at each case independently
• To adjudicate each case on its merits, taking into account bookmakers' rules
• To manage a comprehensive, up-to-date register of bookmakers who as members, have declared an intention to abide by I.B.A.S. rulings on betting disputes.
• To maintain a panel of experts (unconnected with the bookmaking industry) possessing the necessary experience and understanding to provide authoritative arbitration.
• To give the appropriate amount of care and attention to all disputes.
• To ensure confidentiality regarding all communications at all times during the arbitration process.

How does I.B.A.S. work?

Disputes are referred to the service via a standard I.B.A.S. arbitration form on which full details of the dispute should be provided. I.B.A.S. does not under any circumstances rule on disputes in person or over the telephone.
What is the procedure for ruling on a disputed bet?

Only when the Service Manager is completely satisfied that all other methods of resolving a dispute have been exhausted, will our panel of experts be instructed to offer their adjudication.

• Customer calls the I.B.A.S. number, +44 (0)20 7347 5883, available 24 hours a day - requesting an arbitration form.
• Customer carefully completes the form with all relevant information / evidence.
• On receipt of the form, the Service Manager will if he considers it appropriate, refer the dispute to the I.B.A.S. panel for adjudication.
• On completion of the panel's adjudication, both parties will be informed in writing of the decision.

Is an I.B.A.S. ruling enforceable?

All bookmakers operating within I.B.A.S. are registered with the service and have declared an intention to abide by an I.B.A.S. ruling. Any bookmaker registered who fails to fulfill that commitment will be removed from the register.

[Winner_13]

HeritageInsider did not reply to me.

Cory should be paid.
If this case is closed, lets see the proof of winnings donated to a charity for problem gamblers

[raiders72001]

http://www.ibas-uk.com/registeredOperators.php?start=a-b

Books registered with IBAS

[raiders72001]

IBAS

The first point of reference in all adjudications will be the gambling operator's rules. When a customer makes a bet there is an agreement that the bet will be settled in accordance with those rules.

Heritage clearly stated the rules.

[prop]

I don't think the offer was for IBAS, they've declined in the past to take on an arbitration for a non-registered Bookmakers. However if is the offer, here you go Raiders these links are specifically for you.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...t-dispute.html (Post #7 has a video be sure to listen to the final 20 seconds or so).

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/743153-betfair-50-cashback-promotion-problem.html#post7137723

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...ml#post4732865 (lol, that's a passionate post )

[prop]

Justin7 be careful with UK Books?

You serious?

I'm DEAD serious. I keep seeing more and more UK books screw players. No explanation, or very weak ones. Would you prefer your average UK book vs Pinnacle, Cris or Greek? Hell, I'd take most C books over UK. They are just giving so much crap lately. This one part of Canbet is just the tip of the iceberg. I'd love to see how the mass confiscations are dealt with.

I mention Totesport, because it was a ridiculous example of a UK Sportsbook cheating a player, IBAS rubber-stamping the decision, and me issuing one of my "overreaction" warnings.

Here's the problem I see with MANY UK Sportsbooks (which currently includes Betfair, Canbet, Iasbet and Sportingbet): They do something asinine, and refuse to explain to the player what they're doing. You can't ****ing steal someone's balance and give the player no explanation. This is what they are doing (not Sportingbet; their problems are different). Regardless of a book's willingness to talk to SBR, I'm going to ream them if they steal from a player and don't explain themselves to the player.

Would you like some more examples?

[richsox24]

Where the f-ck is this mysterious expert???

[raiders72001]

I don't think the offer was for IBAS, they've declined in the past to take on an arbitration for a non-registered Bookmakers. However if is the offer, here you go Raiders these links are specifically for you.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...t-dispute.html (Post #7 has a video be sure to listen to the final 20 seconds or so).

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/743153-betfair-50-cashback-promotion-problem.html#post7137723

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...ml#post4732865 (lol, that's a passionate post )

First two cases are theft. The third one didn't go to IBAS. I know very little about IBAS but I can't think of anyone that would be better. If cory gets an arbitrator, then cory wins. If SBR/Heritage finds the arbitrator, then they win. The best that can be done is to go by Justin's ruling.

[raydog]

LMAO. You could say that about ANY experienced video poker player. Go sit and watch two people play VP side-by-side in a local Vegas casino once. That doesn't mean jack shit.

Unreal.

brought it up because some say he plays fast, some say not so fast and some say nothing special...so yes, an exact same time between him and his 60something yr. old mother who told lie after lie is definitely something to look into...

[raiders72001]

The number of lawsuits Ken Ulston filed matters a whole lot.

Jesus Christ.

The fact remains: Casinos in AC cannot boot card counters. End of story.

He's one of the reasons why card counters can be banned in Las Vegas. He filed many suits in Nevada and lost them all.

[raiders72001]

MFer- He's one of the most famous BJ players to ever live. I'm surprised that you didn't realize that he hurt your cause.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Uhh. I know who he is.

It does not "hurt my cause." It has nothing to do with anything.

It doesn't make it any less illegal for casinos to boot card counters in AC.

How do you constantly look so stupid yet keep coming back for more?

[raiders72001]

Uhh. I know who he is.

It does not "hurt my cause." It has nothing to do with anything.

It doesn't make it any less illegal for casinos to boot card counters in AC.

How do you constantly look so stupid yet keep coming back for more?

No one cares about AC. He's banned in Vegas. You shot yourself in the foot.

[Santo]

brought it up because some say he plays fast, some say not so fast and some say nothing special...so yes, an exact same time between him and his 60something yr. old mother who told lie after lie is definitely something to look into...

The report notes the player played 8,762 hands in 499 minutes. That is a rate of 1,053 hands per hour. I asked Bob Dancer, who is with little doubt the foremost video poker expert and player in the world, about this. Here is his response:
1000 h.p.h. is attainable by a few players. Perfect play over eight hours is attainable by fewer players. Most experts make some mistakes. If you're looking at possible -- the answer is yes. If you're looking at likely, the answer is no. Could I do it? Perhaps 1 test in 5 — while I'd make a mistake or two the other four times.

And Wizard supported Cory in the EZY dispute.

I'm not sure if perfect play has been alleged in this case.

[MonkeyF0cker]

No one cares about AC. He's banned in Vegas. You shot yourself in the foot.

I never said a word about Vegas. You are seriously retarded.

Ken Uston is dead, genius. He's not banned from anywhere.

[raiders72001]

I never said a word about Vegas. You are seriously retarded.

Ken Uston is dead, genius. He's not banned from anywhere.

no shit - He was banned everywhere in Nevada and used disguises.

[MonkeyF0cker]

no shit - He was banned everywhere in Nevada and used disguises.

Yep. And nobody took his money. Funny how that works. Isn't it?

[raiders72001]

Yep. And nobody took his money. Funny how that works. Isn't it?

they just took him in the back room and beat the hell out of him.

[Dark Horse]

raiders just here to derail the topic. Few pages of his one sentence posts and just about everybody tunes out. Goal achieved.

[raiders72001]

and they did confiscate his money. They've confiscated lots of money from counters.

[cory1111]

Update as of now: My mother nor I have yet to see the IP or casino logs yet(as per requested), and we are still waiting to hear from Heritage's expert so we can hopefully put this matter to rest.

[MonkeyF0cker]

and they did confiscate his money. They've confiscated lots of money from counters.

Yeah. Ok. Show proof.

Uston filed a bunch of lawsuits. Right? Surely, if anyone got their winnings confiscated, it was him.

Show one case where card-counting winnings have been confiscated and a court of law supported it. Illegal confiscations don't count.

You're completely full of shit.

[Scooter]

and they did confiscate his money. They've confiscated lots of money from counters.

Nonsense.

[raiders72001]

Yeah. Ok. Show proof.

Uston filed a bunch of lawsuits. Right? Surely, if anyone got their winnings confiscated, it was him.

Show one case where card-counting winnings have been confiscated and a court of law supported it. Illegal confiscations don't count.

You're completely full of shit.

I'm surprised that you know so little about this stuff.

The basis of the other device was Z80 processor. Keith built it in the pocket calculator. This version of "George", later renamed as "David", caught Uston's eye. Keith together with his brother made several such computers for his team. They doubled their capital in a week. Trebled in two weeks. Then they were caught, the money and the computer were confiscated. By the way, Uston's lawyer in the case was Oscar Goodman – now he is effective mayor of Las Vegas

http://www.cash2c.com/casino-games-h...nt-cards-4.htm

[raiders72001]

Several years earlier, Uston had sued the Las Vegas Hilton for barring him from play at their tables. Thanks to cheap legal representation, Uston not only lost the case but it has set a devasting precedent. In the case notes underlying the Nevada Revised Statute NRS: 463.151 (which details who may be excluded from a licensed gaming establishment), it is argued that barring is not an infringement of 1st Ammendment rights, or the right of equal protection. It also goes on to say, and I quote:

• Card counters not entitled to admittance. This section gives rise to no
  affirmative obligation by the state of Nevada to compel gaming
  establishments to admit persons thought to be card counters.
  Uston v. Hilton Hotels Corp., 448 F. Supp. 116 (D. Nev. 1978).
  (Italics mine)
  
  

http://borisbj21.com/Page21/page21e1.html

[raiders72001]

This is what they should do

Uston also wrote about his own 1978 beating at the Mapes Casino in Reno, a beating that broke five bones in his face and left him without feeling in the left side of his mouth.In March of 1988 (“The Horseshoe Trial”), Anthony Curtis updated us on the case of two card counters and hole card players who were beaten and hospitalized by Binion’s Horseshoe security guards.
In the Spring 2001 issue (“A Funny Thing Happened on My Way to the Forum”), James Grosjean tells the story of his back-rooming, handcuffing, and arrest on false cheating charges at Caesars Palace, charges that were dropped after he had spent three days in jail and thousands in attorneys’ fees.
In the Spring 2003 issue (“Blackjack Wizards,” by Richard W. Munchkin), interviewee “R.C.” discusses his being handcuffed, back-roomed and beaten up by half a dozen security guards at the Eldorado in Reno a few years ago, and having more recently been tackled and handcuffed by security guards at the El Cortez in Las Vegas.
In the past couple of years, it seems these types of incidents have been increasing, both in frequency and severity. On our website, there has recently been a lengthy discussion about a card counter who was “tortured” (thrown to the ground, handcuffed, and kneeled on) by Mandalay Bay security guards.

[Scooter]

This is what they should do

The casinos in both the Grosjean and the "R.C." case paid large settlements for these illegal acts.
It is especially telling that they had to do this in Nevada, a one industry state which is dependent upon casino revenue.
The fact that you leave out this information is typical of the combination of ignorance and bias which typifies your posts.

The Uston "George" incident involves what was deemed to be an illegal device.
Card counting - the use of one's brain - is not and has never been illegal, and it is not legal to confiscate winnings on that basis under any US law.

I'm surprised you know so little of these things.

Raiders - "This is what they should do."

Uston also wrote about his own 1978 beating at the Mapes Casino in Reno, a beating that broke five bones in his face and left him without feeling in the left side of his mouth...




The fact that you are in favor of someone having bones broken in their face because they used their brains in a casino and counted cards show you to be the vile piece of sh*t that most people on the forums consider you to be.

You reveal your hatred and ignorance daily across multiple forums and have for years.


You are a disgusting human being (although I hate to acknowledge that we are of the same species).

[raiders72001]

Money was confiscated. Settlements were for the beatings. If there are more beatings for the cheaters, it puts an end to the cheating. It's risk/reward for these guys.

[Scooter]

Money was confiscated. Settlements were for the beatings. If there are more beatings for the cheaters, it saves the tax payers dollars and puts an end to the cheating. It's risk/reward for these guys.

You are either lying or ignorant, although your posts are typically both.

No money was kept in either case (Grosjean and "R.C.").

Card counting is not cheating, is not illegal and never has been.

You are pathetic.

[raiders72001]

You are either lying or ignorant, although your posts are typically both.

No money was kept in either case (Grosjean and "R.C.").

Card counting is not cheating, is not illegal and never has been.

You are pathetic.

Of course not in those cases. People such as yourself that get exposed resort to untrue personal attacks. You and MFer are upset about being wrong on so many fronts. You're still upset about the time you used your pamphlet to explain the law to those across the street.

[Scooter]

Of course not in those cases.

As I pointed out, you leave out vital information, then when called out try to brush it off "Of course not in those cases."

"People such as yourself that get exposed resort to untrue personal attacks. You and MFer are upset about being wrong on so many fronts."

And again, irrelevant change of topic to try to brush it off.

"You're still upset about the time you used your pamphlet to explain the law to those across the street."

Another irrelevant attempt to attack and infer personal motives, while ignoring the content of my posts above.

[raiders72001]

Scooter- The whole point is that money was confiscated for cheating.

[cloverfield]

Update as of now: My mother nor I have yet to see the IP or casino logs yet(as per requested), and we are still waiting to hear from Heritage's expert so we can hopefully put this matter to rest.

Good news Heritage Insider!!
I will send a deposit your way this weekend since you have not given in to Bonnie and Clyde!!!

[MonkeyF0cker]

Scooter- The whole point is that money was confiscated for cheating.

I specifically said CARD COUNTING, genius. Not illegally using electronic devices.

How can you consistently be SO fukking wrong?

You should be completely embarrassed, but you're such a fukking scumbag that nothing shames you.

[raiders72001]

I specifically said CARD COUNTING, genius. Not illegally using electronic devices.

How can you consistently be SO fukking wrong?

You should be completely embarrassed, but you're such a fukking scumbag that nothing shames you.

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MonkeyF0cker

Yeah. Ok. Show proof.

Uston filed a bunch of lawsuits. Right? Surely, if anyone got their winnings confiscated, it was him.

1. They were card counting.
2. Uston filed multiple lawsuits.
3. Uston ruined it for many people and you used his case.
4. Uston had winnings confiscated.