Corey up to no good again, this time at Heritage. Hits 2 Royals and is owed 43K

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  • prop
    SBR MVP
    • 09-04-07
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    #1646
    They're practically a no-pay sportsbook. What is there to complain about? Players likely to cash out are banned quick enough. The ones who they know are profitable they rush to pay and service. If someone hits a big win they have dozens of gotcha rules they can use to void it. If someone hits them with "questionable betting" (new word for correlated parlays) their rules basically state they can go back and void whatever they'd like. And if they just prove a typo on the address form, or a phone number change, they can do that too. And for fairness if you don't like it you can go to a UK licensed arbitrator, even if you're in US and they're in Costa Rica. Again what is there to complain about? Reputable book only losers can use and they service them well so long as they don't get lucky and can get by all the gotchya rules, such cases are of course quite rare.

    And yes I don't use them. My account transferring from TheGreek they declined.
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    • raiders72001
      Senior Member
      • 08-10-05
      • 11144

      #1647
      Originally posted by HedgeHog
      I've certainly been treated very well there. Regardless how this casino case is resolved, funds are extremely safe at Heritage. The fate of a habitual scammer doesn't change this in the least.
      good to hear.
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      • HedgeHog
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 09-11-07
        • 10128

        #1648
        Originally posted by prop
        They're practically a no-pay sportsbook. What is there to complain about? Players likely to cash out are banned quick enough. The ones who they know are profitable they rush to pay and service. If someone hits a big win they have dozens of gotcha rules they can use to void it. If someone hits them with "questionable betting" (new word for correlated parlays) their rules basically state they can go back and void whatever they'd like. And if they just prove a typo on the address form, or a phone number change, they can do that too. And for fairness if you don't like it you can go to a UK licensed arbitrator. Again what is there to complain about? Reputable book only losers can use and they service them well so long as they don't get lucky and can get by all the gotchya rules, such cases are of course quite rare.
        A no-pay book? Take a breath, please. Heritage is a good Book put in a bad situation.
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        • raiders72001
          Senior Member
          • 08-10-05
          • 11144

          #1649
          Originally posted by prop
          They're practically a no-pay sportsbook. What is there to complain about? Players likely to cash out are banned quick enough. The ones who they know are profitable they rush to pay and service. If someone hits a big win they have dozens of gotcha rules they can use to void it. If someone hits them with "questionable betting" (new word for correlated parlays) their rules basically state they can go back and void whatever they'd like. And if they just prove a typo on the address form, or a phone number change, they can do that too. And for fairness if you don't like it you can go to a UK licensed arbitrator. Again what is there to complain about? Reputable book only losers can use and they service them well so long as they don't get lucky and get passed all the gotchya rules which is quite rare.
          You're going overboard. You know that most books have the recreational clauses. A book rated "B" or above never uses these rules to confiscate money. Guys keep bringing up the "phone number rule" when we all know it's non-sense and never used. Everyone knows that Heritage is an "A" rated book.
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          • prop
            SBR MVP
            • 09-04-07
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            #1650
            Then why is it there?
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            • raiders72001
              Senior Member
              • 08-10-05
              • 11144

              #1651
              Originally posted by prop
              Then why is it there?
              Lots of laws are antiquated or just never invoked. It should be taken off their site.
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              • prop
                SBR MVP
                • 09-04-07
                • 1073

                #1652
                Originally posted by HedgeHog
                Take a breath, please.
                Originally posted by raiders72001
                You're going overboard.
                Ok, I got worked up. perhaps they are generally fine. Basically meant there are far less players to complain, because for years they used a closed door model that that targeted and cultivated relationships with "net depositors" only without taking much risk. They then took over Spiro's accounts except for the ones that were most unlikely to be "net depositors" but did take on some more risk, which they reduce with voiding bets (in advanced), limiting and banning accounts. Their model means they deal primarily with net depositors and actually are not too exposed to finding many sharp bettors, so it's very unlikely there will be many complaints.

                Everyone knows they are and "A" is a matter of opinion. Imo Heritage being rated higher than some books is insane. Won't name the site so it doesn't come off shill. But is one site similar model that never would of found themselves in this spot. They monitor players in advanced. They have daily casino limits. If a players turnover is too high they shut him off from the casino for not being comfortable with his action (this is absurd but true). When there is a complaint on any forum they're right there quick to clean it up. They won't have any 1700 post threads about them anytime soon if ever. Exact same "net deposit" only business model, but this one takes sign ups off the web and with beards can bonus whore them over and over again which is why they watch all their action and also don't give too many chances for players to hit a big win. This site has much larger opportunity for complaints because is marketed over the web, has more risk of being hit again and hit again but rarely ever see a complaint too. Is a few others can think of too. I chose this one though because they've been around longer than Heritage and both founders have some issues that don't matter in their past, and this one has good payout track record.

                But for everyone knows they are an "A" book again, that's based on opinion. All these sorta books are low risk models and if pay can be "A" in someone opinion I guess - but make so much off this model I can see wanting to keep an example up... But, any book that racks up a 1700 post thread on a player complaint I'd question having an opinion that high. If they had some of proof could ended this thread a long time ago. From there most "A" books wouldn't buy a few weeks and during which indicate to a player if he causes bad press his chances of getting paid reduce. And from here most "A" books wouldn't have several different gotchya rules in places whether they use them or not. But again ratings are a matter of opinion anyways. But yeah I most certainly did get worked up.
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                • MonkeyF0cker
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 06-12-07
                  • 12144

                  #1653
                  Originally posted by raydog
                  they gave him a payout...what are you missing? there was never a free roll...how are they free rolling someone that they made a payout to?
                  I really don't know how many times you need to be told what a freeroll is.
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                  • MonkeyF0cker
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 06-12-07
                    • 12144

                    #1654
                    Originally posted by raiders72001
                    Everyone knows that Heritage is an "A" rated book.
                    Yes. Decent book if you plan on losing. Why are you playing if you plan on losing though?

                    What happened to the books where people could actually win money?

                    Offshore is a sad state of affairs for U.S. customers. Nearly worthless outside of a handful of books.
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                    • raiders72001
                      Senior Member
                      • 08-10-05
                      • 11144

                      #1655
                      Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                      Yes. Decent book if you plan on losing. Why are you playing if you plan on losing though?

                      What happened to the books where people could actually win money?

                      Offshore is a sad state of affairs for U.S. customers. Nearly worthless outside of a handful of books.
                      Most of the time, you make no sense. Heritage is a business and they have a right to go by their own business model.
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                      • raiders72001
                        Senior Member
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 11144

                        #1656
                        If cory were 17 and hit a jackpot on the slots, should he be paid? Vegas wouldn't pay him.
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                        • prop
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-04-07
                          • 1073

                          #1657
                          I would still like to know what Charity this money will be donated to if this doesn't work out and if firm proof of the donation will be provided?
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                          • raydog
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 11-07-07
                            • 6984

                            #1658
                            Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                            I really don't know how many times you need to be told what a freeroll is.
                            and i dont know how many times i have to tell you there isnt one in this case... they made a payout when it was requested...if they knew it was cory, they wouldnt have and might have been free rolling him, but they made a payout before they looked into the acct. there was no free roll and there still isnt..

                            your entire argument about this got shot to shit when the news came in that they paid out the first request... i understand why you "thought" there was a free roll going on though...but you need to realize it was merely their incompetence instead
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                            • prop
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-04-07
                              • 1073

                              #1659
                              raydog you have a different definition of freeroll than every gambler I know.
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                              • raydog
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                                • 11-07-07
                                • 6984

                                #1660
                                Originally posted by prop
                                raydog you have a different definition of freeroll than every gambler I know.
                                how is that? how many times do i have to hear that a free roll is when they play and the book has no intention of paying??? when thats the first thing they did when requested is send a payment... you guys have your heads up your ass about the whole thing...they had no problem paying until they suspected the beard... there was no freerolling going on...

                                ive said what i thought about the deal...
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                                • prop
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 09-04-07
                                  • 1073

                                  #1661
                                  It is still a freeroll under every common use of that term in gambling. You have a whacked definition. It's been used in poker forever for one: getting money in with an equal hand that can improve but your opponents hand cannot means you have a freeroll. Having money in tied when you can't improve while your opponent can is getting freerolled. This is explained in 1978 SuperSystem and probably other places prior, it's been a common known coined concept for a long time. Betting with a bookie that won't pay is getting freerolled. Taking a bet that you won't pay if you lose is taking a freeroll. No element of internet is ever required. You might have a debate that the freeroll was the result incompetency or negligence rather than malicious intent, but that is all you can argue. You can not suddenly make up a new meaning for freeroll and say a freeroll is not a freeroll. In this case the player was freerolled. I don't even know that's up for debate. Heritage more less acknowledges this, claims it wasn't their intent so will give the money to chairty. Now we're debating player or Charity since. Though again I think it's pretty slimy and Heritage lied about the Charity aspect, and hasn't shown an indication they are going to prove donation (which if sincere would seem in their best interest to do - if you're truly donating the money why leave doubt).
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                                  • McFly86
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 01-15-11
                                    • 149

                                    #1662
                                    Heritage, will you be amending your terms and conditions to mention that users may be subject to Genealogy websites and requirements to disclose Jet Blue documents?
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                                    • Scooter
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-15-07
                                      • 1159

                                      #1663
                                      Originally posted by raiders72001
                                      Outside of cory, I haven't seen anyone complain about Heritage that plays at Heritage. The guy with the most complaints plays in Vegas and isn't all that familiar with offshore rules.
                                      There's a great new website Raiders, you should give it a try.
                                      It's called "Google".

                                      Google "Heritage sportsbook sucks":

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                                      • Scooter
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 01-15-07
                                        • 1159

                                        #1664
                                        Originally posted by raiders72001
                                        You're going overboard. You know that most books have the recreational clauses. A book rated "B" or above never uses these rules to confiscate money. Guys keep bringing up the "phone number rule" when we all know it's non-sense and never used.
                                        prop - "Then why is it there?"

                                        raiders72001 - "Lots of laws are antiquated or just never invoked. It should be taken off their site."

                                        The phone rule and other unfair one-sided rules (or "antiquated" rules in raiders' euphemism) which enable a freeroll by the book - were discussed in a thread on this site when the switchover from the Greek occurred.

                                        There was some talk of "looking into it" or something like that by someone from Heritage.

                                        Yet several years later it's still there.

                                        I wonder why?
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                                        • Winner_13
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 01-04-10
                                          • 1744

                                          #1665
                                          Heritage should pay the player.
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                                          • HedgeHog
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 09-11-07
                                            • 10128

                                            #1666
                                            The only winner in this mess is SBR--simply unbelievable the traffic this thread has generated. And it's somewhat ironic/unfortunate that the guy responsible for perhaps the two longest threads here is currently banned. SBR is missing out on a golden opportunity. First off, can the JJ Gold clown and hire this down on his luck Cory fella. You can start a Cory Talks Forum that's sure to be a hit--complete with ideas on bearding, multi-accounting, chargebacking and the like. He could also do vids/movie shorts explaining how to cover up one's deception. Hey, I even got the title of the first one..."Throw Mama from the Plane".
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                                            • skrtelfan
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 10-09-08
                                              • 1913

                                              #1667
                                              Originally posted by Heritage Insider
                                              A history of fair play and prompt payments. Also offering to go to arbitration when a player breaks our rules and disagrees with our findings. I wouldn't call that hardline. I would call that being fair. As far as telemarketing goes until we absorbed the Greek business our policy was to never telemarket - in fact we offered a 500 free play to anyone we did solicit.
                                              you cold called me twice last week and i've never played at heritage. how do you rationalize you requirement that you can confiscate winnings if a person has an invalid phone number with your policy of cold calling?
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                                              • skrtelfan
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-09-08
                                                • 1913

                                                #1668
                                                Originally posted by Heritage Insider
                                                A would beg to differ. While we have received numerous emails from our clients that didn't want to post but wanted to express their support we have yet to receive one asking that we pay Cory.
                                                ah, the old "the lurkers support me in email" argument.
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                                                • cloverfield
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 12-24-10
                                                  • 862

                                                  #1669
                                                  Originally posted by prop
                                                  They're practically a no-pay sportsbook.

                                                  And yes I don't use them. My account transferring from TheGreek they declined.
                                                  Holy smokes prop.. I'm shocked at how fast you went from a self called "neutral" party to an all out anti-Heritage person. wow. 10 pages back (which is small for this shitfest thread) you were VERY VERY professional and neutral.. all of a sudden your true colors show.

                                                  my my my. I'm going to have to rethink the Big Bang Theory after this revelation. My mind is blown.

                                                  Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                                  I've certainly been treated very well there. Regardless how this casino case is resolved, funds are extremely safe at Heritage. The fate of a habitual scammer doesn't change this in the least.
                                                  EXACTLY. People who think this thread is going to determine how people look at Heritage are delusional. There are what 10 posters MAX in a 1650+ post thread that agree with Cory (who have voiced their opinion) and that is probably generous. Anyone that actually PLAYS at Heritage (I'm sure half of those 10 don't play there actively) knows they pay, they answer your questions, and they have some cool offers/contests.

                                                  Heritage Insider- This thread and situation will do nothing to harm your book. The only people arguing against you are the same who wear tin foil hats and think that ALF possibly lives next door to them. Make your offer to Cory to return the initial deposits and then go into a new arbitration at square 1...if he refuses that is his choice and just move on.

                                                  Originally posted by Scooter
                                                  The first listing seems to be from a site called sbr.

                                                  This forum has a groovy new feature called "Search".
                                                  Try that also.
                                                  Two of the topics were started by the same poster who seems to have a problem at every book he plays at.
                                                  Two of the topics were about the website being down or not having team totals.

                                                  talk about grasping at straws
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                                                  • SBR_John
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 07-12-05
                                                    • 16471

                                                    #1670
                                                    Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                                    The only winner in this mess is SBR--simply unbelievable the traffic this thread has generated. And it's somewhat ironic/unfortunate that the guy responsible for perhaps the two longest threads here is currently banned. SBR is missing out on a golden opportunity. First off, can the JJ Gold clown and hire this down on his luck Cory fella. You can start a Cory Talks Forum that's sure to be a hit--complete with ideas on bearding, multi-accounting, chargebacking and the like. He could also do vids/movie shorts explaining how to cover up one's deception. Hey, I even got the title of the first one..."Throw Mama from the Plane".
                                                    LOL, loved that movie Throw Mama from the train, great PG movie.

                                                    These threads are a good thing for the industry as a whole. Books want to be protected from rule breakers and should be. Legit players want their books to remain in business and to offer more perks with less fees and not have that potential money wind up in the hands of scammers.
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                                                    • prop
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-04-07
                                                      • 1073

                                                      #1671
                                                      The scammer here is Heritage and perhaps you and Justin7 as well.
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                                                      • prop
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-04-07
                                                        • 1073

                                                        #1672
                                                        Originally posted by cloverfield
                                                        Holy smokes prop.. I'm shocked at how fast you went from a self called "neutral" party to an all out anti-Heritage person. wow. 10 pages back (which is small for this shitfest thread) you were VERY VERY professional and neutral.. all of a sudden your true colors show.
                                                        Whatever you think is fine. The poster Heritage Insider revealed the scam and the type of company they are yesterday. A thief who just steals straight can respect lot more than a wannabe thug who is actually chicken shit and can't keep his story straight on three occasions and probably lied about plans to donate the money to charity too.
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                                                        • HedgeHog
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 09-11-07
                                                          • 10128

                                                          #1673
                                                          Originally posted by prop
                                                          The scammer here is Heritage and perhaps you and Justin7 as well.
                                                          The scammer here is Cory, sorry you can't see that. Heritage is merely trying to figure out what to do with a cheater's winnings. They've acted in good faith thus far by returning deposits, so give them a chance. Let's see how this plays out between an A Book and a F Player.
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                                                          • prop
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 09-04-07
                                                            • 1073

                                                            #1674
                                                            See how it turns out? I've wasted 24 days of my life on this. I've read over 10,000 posts some of them multiple times. I've called made dozens of phone calls on petty things even calling the BBB asking about the company she works for, calling police station to see if could get someone to slip up (no luck, just saying I've attempted to turn over every corner I could think of consumed with this case).

                                                            Why? Because more and more time went by the less sense it made. Then Heritage comes here and can't keep story straight. Cory takes a risk early on with saying they're trying to bully him not to talk (something honest companies don't do).The guys all over the map forgetting his expert, making odd claims for someone donating the money to charity. Was worse PR job I've seen but fools the simple minds.

                                                            I spend 24 days reading this thread. Asked tons of reasonable questions. Everything is ignored. Justin is long gone. John jumped in early worked up they didn't steal the deposits too. Yesterday Cory claimed on another forum that before this even hit forums there's an allegation Lou called yelling at Cory to admit he had played the hands. The guilt was assumed all along?

                                                            I was here asking tons of reasonable questions. Is there some sort of proof, is there more to the story, was this player given a fair shake etc. I've been fair enough in the posts for a long time.

                                                            A books don't have terms like Heritage has. The don't use mafia tactics. they don't slip up in their story multiple times (because they don't run around telling lies).

                                                            At this point: very simple like them or not, dislike Cory or not. This is theft by Heritage.
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                                                            • Optional
                                                              Administrator
                                                              • 06-10-10
                                                              • 61672

                                                              #1675
                                                              The main thing this thread has proven is that Prop is a fool.
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                                                              • Winner_13
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-04-10
                                                                • 1744

                                                                #1676
                                                                Originally posted by raiders72001
                                                                Most of the time, you make no sense. Heritage is a business and they have a right to go by their own business model.
                                                                like a drug dealer has a right to go by their business model,
                                                                preying on victims
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                                                                • Winner_13
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 01-04-10
                                                                  • 1744

                                                                  #1677
                                                                  Heritage should pay the player.
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                                                                  • Winner_13
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 01-04-10
                                                                    • 1744

                                                                    #1678
                                                                    where is Heritage Insider?
                                                                    Have they donated the money to charity?
                                                                    What is going on?
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                                                                    • Heritage Insider
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 09-06-11
                                                                      • 282

                                                                      #1679
                                                                      Originally posted by Winner_13
                                                                      where is Heritage Insider?
                                                                      Have they donated the money to charity?
                                                                      What is going on?
                                                                      Here I am. The outcome of this case is still being decided. Charity has not come into the pitcure yet.
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                                                                      • Heritage Insider
                                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                                        • 09-06-11
                                                                        • 282

                                                                        #1680
                                                                        Originally posted by Winner_13
                                                                        Heritage should pay the player.
                                                                        Cory should have picked you as the mediator instead of Justin.
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