Why do people still use local books when they can use ofshore??

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  • Jordano5354
    SBR Rookie
    • 09-11-19
    • 45

    #1
    Why do people still use local books when they can use ofshore??
    Why do people still use locals when they can use offshore? Locals are dangerous, they are thugs, and they can choose to pay or not pay when you win. You pay them, they're okay with you. You don't pay them, they'll send thugs to your house or workplace. If you win, they can choose not to pay you and if you keep harassing them to pay you up, they'll still send thugs to your house or workplace. I don't need thugs coming to my house or my work so I just stick with Bookmaker or 5Dimes. Just having a credit account but have to deal with thugs isn't worth it. Offshore is way safer and I can always know what I'm able to afford to lose by posting up deposits. Offshore over locals anyday.
  • littlekona
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-19-15
    • 5242

    #2
    Originally posted by Jordano5354
    Why do people still use locals when they can use offshore? Locals are dangerous, they are thugs, and they can choose to pay or not pay when you win. You pay them, they're okay you. You don't pay them, they'll send thugs to your house or workplace. If you win, they can choose not to pay you and if you keep harassing them to pay you up, they'll still send thugs to your house or workplace. I don't need thugs coming to my house or my work so I just stick with Bookmaker or 5Dimes. Just having a credit account but have to deal with thugs isn't worth it. Offshore is way safer and I can always know what I'm able to afford to lose by posting up deposits. Offshore over locals anyday.
    LOL...You would love mine he's a big teddy bear nicest guy ever and will work with you if you get stuck as he's a business man. He hosts poker games too 2/5 NL and man what a spread he has all you can eat drink and tell him what you want and he provides.....Pays/collects every week but only when your up or down 500 or once whatever comes first....Way more deadbeat guys that stiff him too...Guys get stuck then just disappear never come around to poker or otb.....He also sharks at 30% ....But you are right offshore is much better for most with odds selection ect...
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    • Jordano5354
      SBR Rookie
      • 09-11-19
      • 45

      #3
      Originally posted by littlekona
      LOL...You would love mine he's a big teddy bear nicest guy ever and will work with you if you get stuck as he's a business man. He hosts poker games too 2/5 NL and man what a spread he has all you can eat drink and tell him what you want and he provides.....Pays/collects every week but only when your up or down 500 or once whatever comes first....Way more deadbeat guys that stiff him too...Guys get stuck then just disappear never come around to poker or otb.....He also sharks at 30% ....But you are right offshore is much better for most with odds selection ect...
      I dunno man. I've seen local books in this business that will go after stiffs as soon as possible, and I've seen these same local books that will stiff people just because they can and they have the thugs and guns. Local books are just not worth the trouble. Too dangerous. You can't win with them. You win, they'll stiff you and point a gun in your face if you go after them. You stiff them, they'll obviously do the same thing. I'll stick with 5Dimes and Bookmaker.
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      • littlekona
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 11-19-15
        • 5242

        #4
        It's a business for locals and sharks. if they go break legs of clients who stiff good chance someone gets police involved and the bookie is out of business...That stuff is just not done in 99% of cases...Bookie and shark figures a % of people will stiff and its just part of the overhead in a highly profitable business model.....They will work with you too I see guys giving 50 bucks a week at poker paying down their sports account losses
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        • Jordano5354
          SBR Rookie
          • 09-11-19
          • 45

          #5
          Originally posted by littlekona
          It's a business for locals and sharks. if they go break legs of clients who stiff good chance someone gets police involved and the bookie is out of business...That stuff is just not done in 99% of cases...Bookie and shark figures a % of people will stiff and its just part of the overhead in a highly profitable business model.....They will work with you too I see guys giving 50 bucks a week at poker paying down their sports account losses
          You do know snitches get stitches, right? Anyone snitching will make things worst. You don't think these thugs will get you back one way or the other after you snitched on them?

          And cops won't give a shit about bookies. But cops usually won't help you if they know you're a stiff, and you're using cops as a shields to protect them. What makes you think cops aren't corrupt and do businesses with local bookies and loan sharks? A lot actually do! Either or, my advice is use offshore only. Stay away from local bookies that are dangerous thugs.
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          • RockBottom
            SBR MVP
            • 12-03-08
            • 1448

            #6
            Originally posted by Jordano5354
            Why do people still use locals when they can use offshore? Locals are dangerous, they are thugs, and they can choose to pay or not pay when you win. You pay them, they're okay with you. You don't pay them, they'll send thugs to your house or workplace. If you win, they can choose not to pay you and if you keep harassing them to pay you up, they'll still send thugs to your house or workplace. I don't need thugs coming to my house or my work so I just stick with Bookmaker or 5Dimes. Just having a credit account but have to deal with thugs isn't worth it. Offshore is way safer and I can always know what I'm able to afford to lose by posting up deposits. Offshore over locals anyday.
            I've seen far more offshore stiff than bookies. I've never dealt with a thug. If one pays in a timely fashion, they'll never worry about thugs either.
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            • Toledo Ed
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 09-04-10
              • 728

              #7
              Locals that are all online are the best. It’s too much of a hassle to use offshore. Not to mention if you win you get limits of 50 bucks. It’s true. Also there are offshore that don’t pay. Just ask around. You need a good local my guy is great.
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              • Jordano5354
                SBR Rookie
                • 09-11-19
                • 45

                #8
                Top rated offshores like 5Dimes and Bookmaker will never stiff anyone or limit them. Only shitty offshore books will. People that's offended by this are obviously wannabe bookies themselves. Real bookies that are real gangsters don't go on these online forums and try to hustle for clients. They only take clients they can easily go to their home or workplace whenever they feel like it.
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                • DukeSnider
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 06-20-18
                  • 129

                  #9
                  Jordan,you seem to be making sweeping generalizations from a movie from the 60's.
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                  • 5918mike
                    SBR MVP
                    • 04-16-14
                    • 1885

                    #10
                    You watch too many movies bro.
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                    • xKMACKx
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-16-08
                      • 1274

                      #11
                      Some people who like to deal in cash. That's one reason. Whether it's because they are washing money or not.
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                      • xKMACKx
                        SBR MVP
                        • 11-16-08
                        • 1274

                        #12
                        The only locals I knew were good guys (brothers). Owned a couple of bars and one coached football as an assistant at the local university. You can't bet on the games, so know he wasn't shaving points ha. They got caught and arrested (had to pay a fine, never did any time), but they're still respected in the community. Continue to do a lot for cancer research with donations and charity events.

                        My grandmother babysat them years ago and they still showed up for her funeral recently after not talking for nearly 20 years. Good guys. Not thugs.
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                        • Jordano5354
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 09-11-19
                          • 45

                          #13
                          Originally posted by xKMACKx
                          The only locals I knew were good guys (brothers). Owned a couple of bars and one coached football as an assistant at the local university. You can't bet on the games, so know he wasn't shaving points ha. They got caught and arrested (had to pay a fine, never did any time), but they're still respected in the community. Continue to do a lot for cancer research with donations and charity events.

                          My grandmother babysat them years ago and they still showed up for her funeral recently after not talking for nearly 20 years. Good guys. Not thugs.
                          If they go after stiffs and threaten them to pay up, then they're thugs. All local bookies are thugs.
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                          • terpkeg
                            SBR MVP
                            • 10-26-09
                            • 2364

                            #14
                            Dude must be trolling. Tons of stiffs offshore. 5d don't limit or stiff?? Okkaayyyyy.

                            Reasons above stated on why to have local valid like cash/off books, but also more line shopping and credit, credit, credit. That is big for people. Don't have to post up. Comfort level for some, comrade/friendship with agent/book. But really, credit and line shop if you are smart. Even if you have a big roll it's nice to be able to play futures on credit.
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                            • Jordano5354
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 09-11-19
                              • 45

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Toledo Ed
                              Locals that are all online are the best. It’s too much of a hassle to use offshore. Not to mention if you win you get limits of 50 bucks. It’s true. Also there are offshore that don’t pay. Just ask around. You need a good local my guy is great.
                              Don't PM me trying to introduce me to your "local bookie" that's you. Hahahaha. I don't play with wannabe bookies. You're obviously a fake one if you have to hustle for clients on this site. LOL!!!!!
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                              • mrpapageorgio
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-07-17
                                • 2974

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Jordano5354
                                If they go after stiffs and threaten them to pay up, then they're thugs. All local bookies are thugs.
                                Is this JJ's alter ego?

                                Originally posted by Jordano5354
                                Either or, my advice is use offshore only. Stay away from local bookies that are dangerous thugs.
                                If they come at you with fists, you come back with a bat. If they come back with a knife, you come back with a gun. Not hard to deal with them at all.
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                                • stevex
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 05-02-10
                                  • 5122

                                  #17
                                  Why is this even a thread in here? Mods clean this section up. Nothing is being accomplished.
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                                  • DontTailMe
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 03-24-19
                                    • 2897

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Jordano5354
                                    Top rated offshores like 5Dimes and Bookmaker will never stiff anyone or limit them. Only shitty offshore books will. People that's offended by this are obviously wannabe bookies themselves. Real bookies that are real gangsters don't go on these online forums and try to hustle for clients. They only take clients they can easily go to their home or workplace whenever they feel like it.
                                    The bolded is simply not true. Bookmaker, I'd agree with, but certainly not 5Dimes. They limit for sure.
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                                    • Jordano5354
                                      SBR Rookie
                                      • 09-11-19
                                      • 45

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by mrpapageorgio
                                      If they come at you with fists, you come back with a bat. If they come back with a knife, you come back with a gun. Not hard to deal with them at all.
                                      And they come back at you with more thugs with guns. You lose either way if you use a local bookie.
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                                      • jtoler
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 12-17-13
                                        • 30967

                                        #20
                                        stay out of the cinema guy
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                                        • Gaze73
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 01-27-14
                                          • 3291

                                          #21
                                          Local ≠ illegal. Only illegal bookies employ thugs. If a local licensed book doesn't pay, you have legal recourse. And there's no such thing as "you don't pay them" because you literally can't bet more than you have, unless you're dealing with an illegal book. People who bet on credit with thug books are really stupid. There's nothing like having your legs on the line.
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                                          • Jordano5354
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 09-11-19
                                            • 45

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Gaze73
                                            Local ≠ illegal. Only illegal bookies employ thugs. If a local licensed book doesn't pay, you have legal recourse. And there's no such thing as "you don't pay them" because you literally can't bet more than you have, unless you're dealing with an illegal book. People who bet on credit with thug books are really stupid. There's nothing like having your legs on the line.
                                            Which state has local licensed book then???
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                                            • Gaze73
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 01-27-14
                                              • 3291

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Jordano5354
                                              Which state has local licensed book then???
                                              Dunno, Nevada? There should be more since the supreme court legalized gambling. I don't know how it's in the US but in Europe every country has licensed local books. But I agree that if your only options are illegal books or offshore then it's no contest, only boomers who like to bet with cash would go to an illegal one.
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                                              • mrpapageorgio
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 09-07-17
                                                • 2974

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Jordano5354
                                                Which state has local licensed book then???
                                                Ok, now you're trolling or just came out of a hole.

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                                                • darrell74
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 04-16-07
                                                  • 14648

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Jordano5354
                                                  Why do people still use locals when they can use offshore? Locals are dangerous, they are thugs, and they can choose to pay or not pay when you win. You pay them, they're okay with you. You don't pay them, they'll send thugs to your house or workplace. If you win, they can choose not to pay you and if you keep harassing them to pay you up, they'll still send thugs to your house or workplace. I don't need thugs coming to my house or my work so I just stick with Bookmaker or 5Dimes. Just having a credit account but have to deal with thugs isn't worth it. Offshore is way safer and I can always know what I'm able to afford to lose by posting up deposits. Offshore over locals anyday.
                                                  I moved to Las Vegas because off shore.
                                                  if they don't want to pay you, they won't.
                                                  I learned the hard way and lost thousands to offshore books not paying me.

                                                  With the legalization of sportsbooks in more states, offshore will fade.
                                                  Imo, SBR should adjust.
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388179

                                                    #26
                                                    Nobody is sending thugs to your house it’s the quickest way to prison and ending your operation
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                                                    • Jordano5354
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 09-11-19
                                                      • 45

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                                      Nobody is sending thugs to your house it’s the quickest way to prison and ending your operation
                                                      Snitches get stitches, dumbass.
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                                                      • fried cheese
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-17-13
                                                        • 4461

                                                        #28
                                                        if you are a tougher thug then its just risk free betting.
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                                                        • mrpapageorgio
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-07-17
                                                          • 2974

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Jordano5354
                                                          And they come back at you with more thugs with guns. You lose either way if you use a local bookie.
                                                          You're assuming he'll have enough thugs to outgun you. He can't hire anyone if you get to him first.
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