Seven states have legal, state-regulated sports betting industries

**Kaplan** · 06-15-19, 08:24 PM

I think it's the end of the offshore scene as we know it. They will go to super low vig and that will work for a minute. Eventually the loss of volume will make it impossible to offer the good prices. A few will still be around, but nothing like today.

I'm a year away from having 10 brick and mortar books within a 3 hour drive No need to dick around with the BS anymore.

**littlekona** · 06-15-19, 09:41 PM

you guys are just regular nobs and clueless...Offshore blows away any USA legal including vegas

**Microphone** · 06-15-19, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

you guys are just regular nobs and clueless...Offshore blows away any USA legal including vegas

100% agree. I'm here stateside and I don't see any US book offering the selection or prices I get offshore.

**stackz125** · 06-16-19, 02:26 AM

Taxes alone will bury you

**Kaplan** · 06-16-19, 10:47 AM

Who's paying taxes ?

**themike78** · 06-16-19, 11:45 AM

First of all they could open a book across the street from me and I will continue to play offshore. I can get paid offshore within 10 minutes. I've played regularly offshore since day 1 and have never been stiffed. Most of these people on here complaining about not getting paid are the ones that try to scam the books. Or they are dumb enough to sign up with a scam book with out researching first. One more thing the U.S is not these books entire market. Remember in 2006 or whatever year it was when a lot of books left the U.S market because of the unlawful internet gaming act was passed. Those books did just fine without the U.S market and most are still around today. If you think all these books are going to close up you are clueless about the industry.

**lt56** · 06-16-19, 01:03 PM

New York just got it and will allow sports betting at their 4 casinos, but not at OTB's or with the computer or phone. Governor Cuomo is clueless and doesn't realize that almost everyone would rather bet from their home or their phone than drive to a casino. The closest casino for me is a half hour. I like parlay betting and mixing sports, so not sure if NY will have parlay betting. If they do I'm done with 5Dimes because I don't have bitcoin and I'm told I can't withdraw unless I have $1,000 balance. ** won't work and ** is closed where I am. So I have $800 after winning and I can't get $500. Are all sites like this or just 5Dimes?

**Optional** · 06-16-19, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by lt56

I don't have bitcoin

3 mins to sign up here and you will have bitcoin; www.gemini.com

After signing up, connect/verify your bank account.

Then just withdraw your $500 in bitcoin there and have them transfer $$ to your bank overnight.

**lt56** · 06-16-19, 02:23 PM

Thanks but I'm not interested in Bitcoin, which is why I asked if other sites have different options. Ridiculous Paypal can't be used. Many people have been robbed with bitcoin and if you make a mistake with even 1 digit in withdrawing, the money is lost in cyberspace. Over $1 billion was stolen in 2018 with bitcoin. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/07/1-po...asy-to-do.html So if the only withdrawal methods with 5Dimes remains bitcoin or a check for more than $1,000, than I would just bet at the local casino. Do other sites also require checks to be $1,000+? And do they have other options besides bitcoin or a check?

**Optional** · 06-16-19, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by lt56

Thanks but I'm not interested in Bitcoin, which is why I asked if other sites have different options. Ridiculous Paypal can't be used. Many people have been robbed with bitcoin and if you make a mistake with even 1 digit in withdrawing, the money is lost in cyberspace. Over $1 billion was stolen in 2018 with bitcoin. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/07/1-po...asy-to-do.html So if the only withdrawal methods with 5Dimes remains bitcoin or a check for more than $1,000, than I would just bet at the local casino. Do other sites also require checks to be $1,000+? And do they have other options besides bitcoin or a check?

What a load of utter rubbish.

Changing one character would never make a valid address and your money is not "lost in cyberspace" ever.

Suit yourself, but you obviously have no idea what you are saying regarding bitcoin.

**statguy** · 06-16-19, 04:46 PM

I believe Iowa passed a bill on sports wagering.

**lt56** · 06-16-19, 04:54 PM

You don't want to answer my question which is whether other websites have a lower minimum for a check than 5Dimes $1,000 check minimum. Or if other sites have withdrawal options that 5Dimes doesn't have. I was told by Coinbase that if I withdraw money and make a mistake with even 1 number wrong; then the money is lost in cyberspace. That's what they said and you say differently. Even if you're right and Coinbase is wrong, I don't want a bitcoin account and will stop betting with 5Dimes if they have no options besides bitcoin. I have 3 friends like me who also are done offshore because they also want nothing to do with bitcoin

**TheMoneyShot** · 06-16-19, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

you guys are just regular nobs and clueless...Offshore blows away any USA legal including vegas

Originally posted by Microphone

100% agree. I'm here stateside and I don't see any US book offering the selection or prices I get offshore.

I agree as well. Why on earth would you want the state that you reside in.... know everything about you??? Wagering/gambling habits etc??? Once you sign up for an account... you're on the radar. It's not worth it.

**Optional** · 06-16-19, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by lt56

You don't want to answer my question which is whether other websites have a lower minimum for a check than 5Dimes $1,000 check minimum. Or if other sites have withdrawal options that 5Dimes doesn't have. I was told by Coinbase that if I withdraw money and make a mistake with even 1 number wrong; then the money is lost in cyberspace. That's what they said and you say differently. Even if you're right and Coinbase is wrong, I don't want a bitcoin account and will stop betting with 5Dimes if they have no options besides bitcoin. I have 3 friends like me who also are done offshore because they also want nothing to do with bitcoin

I do not believe you. I think that is a bald faced lie. That's so retarded only a buffoon making assumptions would ever say it. No Coinbase CS employee is that spectacularly clueless about bitcoin.

And I don't know about your check question. I use the easy method myself. Why dont you ask the book you want to use.

**4sees** · 06-16-19, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Kaplan

I think it's the end of the offshore scene as we know it. They will go to super low vig and that will work for a minute. Eventually the loss of volume will make it impossible to offer the good prices. A few will still be around, but nothing like today.

I'm a year away from having 10 brick and mortar books within a 3 hour drive No need to dick around with the BS anymore.

Totally agree

**4sees** · 06-16-19, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

you guys are just regular nobs and clueless...Offshore blows away any USA legal including vegas

Perhaps you'll enlighten us on how waiting for an offshore payout, after jumping through all their hoops, delays, lies, and then having to play the BTC game, "blows away" being able to walk up to the window to cash your ticket.

**PharaohUB** · 06-16-19, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by lt56

Thanks but I'm not interested in Bitcoin, which is why I asked if other sites have different options. Ridiculous Paypal can't be used. Many people have been robbed with bitcoin and if you make a mistake with even 1 digit in withdrawing, the money is lost in cyberspace. Over $1 billion was stolen in 2018 with bitcoin. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/07/1-po...asy-to-do.html So if the only withdrawal methods with 5Dimes remains bitcoin or a check for more than $1,000, than I would just bet at the local casino. Do other sites also require checks to be $1,000+? And do they have other options besides bitcoin or a check?

Can I nominate this for dumbest post of the year?

PayPal can't be used because there is a high ********** rate.

No, changing one character has like a one in trillion chance of actually going somewhere and being lost in "cyberspace".

Saying you're not interested in bitcoin.... but want to online gamble. Is like saying you're interested in food but not interested in using money to get it.
Take a couple hours of your day and read up on it. You'll be a better man for it, and the world will be better off. You can educate your three friends too.

**4sees** · 06-17-19, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Microphone

100% agree. I'm here stateside and I don't see any US book offering the selection or prices I get offshore.

Have only been to Vegas, and a casino cruise for sportsbetting in the States. They do charge the highest juice, and generally do not offer all the point buying/selling, exotics, etc. Also, someone was telling me that in like Rhode Island, since they take in so much more $ locally for say NHL Bruins, the Bruins as a favorite would be very high compared to say offshore. Not sure exactly the lines, as would like to see if the underdogs then pay more. Basically though, on like NFL 11/10 point spread odds, and all the main plays, they all seem the same to me (for U.S. players). Of course, I began this thread over my having recent payout woes offshore, seeing shops opening up in U.S., and looking forward to the day that I don't ever again have to deal with another payout woe offshore. I then was curious how will U.S. gaming affect offshore. For me, I accept stressing over a bet, but never after a win over wondering will I ever see the winnings.

**4sees** · 06-17-19, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by stackz125

Taxes alone will bury you

Now there's an excellent point, except when I'm in Vegas and asked about that, say want to put $20K on a Super Bowl play. Was thinking like anything over $10K gets reported, and so would do 4 separate $5K tickets type of thing, right? However, Vegas seemed to be telling me unless it's like $100K something monstrous, no ID needed as nothing being reported.

**lt56** · 06-17-19, 12:24 AM

My post isn't dumb at all. I'm sure lots of people quit 5Dimes and offshore because they don't want bitcoin. You shouldn't have to win $1,000 to get paid. That's bullshit. Wal-mart and CVS no longer offer the payment method I used to use, so now 5Dimes ONLY options are bitcoin and a check for $1,000. When I go to a casino and win $500; I'll have it. When I win $500 on 5Dimes, I'm told I have to win another $500 or I can't get paid. It's not me who's dumb; it's 5Dimes for not cutting checks for $500 or coming up with more payment options. I opened a Coinbase bitcoin account but I'm not able to get verified after a month of trying so I withdrew my money and will just bet at the casino. I'm not the only one who struggled getting verified; I seen chat rooms at Coinbase with many people having the same problem. My friends also don't have bitcoin, so one of us will go each Sunday and place bets for all of us and sometimes we'll go out for the games. At least when we win, we know we'll get paid and we don't have to win $1,000 to get paid

**4sees** · 06-17-19, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by themike78

First of all they could open a book across the street from me and I will continue to play offshore. I can get paid offshore within 10 minutes. I've played regularly offshore since day 1 and have never been stiffed. Most of these people on here complaining about not getting paid are the ones that try to scam the books. Or they are dumb enough to sign up with a scam book with out researching first. One more thing the U.S is not these books entire market. Remember in 2006 or whatever year it was when a lot of books left the U.S market because of the unlawful internet gaming act was passed. Those books did just fine without the U.S market and most are still around today. If you think all these books are going to close up you are clueless about the industry.

Obviously, am no industry professor like you, though I never said any would close up, I did inquire. And, who pays within 10 minutes I'd like to know, so I can sign up.

**lt56** · 06-17-19, 12:33 AM

[QUOTE=Optional;28704176]I do not believe you. I think that is a bald faced lie. That's so retarded only a buffoon making assumptions would ever say it. No Coinbase CS employee is that spectacularly clueless about bitcoin.
Maybe it was 5Dimes who told me the money is lost in cyberspace if a mistake is made, but I thought it was coinbase who told me that when I couldn't get verified. All I know is that I tried to get verified from Coinbase and like others with Coinbase, I had tech issues and my license would not work, so I'm done with 5Dimes and look forward to the casino. NY has an idiot governor who is forcing people to go to a casino instead of betting with computer or phone, so New Yorkers with bitcoin might stay with offshore, but my type is all done with offshore

**4sees** · 06-17-19, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Optional

What a load of utter rubbish.

Changing one character would never make a valid address and your money is not "lost in cyberspace" ever.

Suit yourself, but you obviously have no idea what you are saying regarding bitcoin.

Was worried about this once, when I had a lower case (instead of upper case) character off type of thing on BTC address, and was happy that the book did notify me was an invalid address, so could be updated and properly resent. Was totally my fault, yet nothing lost. Perhaps It is referring to BTC being stolen via hacked wallet accounts, which has nothing to do with the book.

Believe some still do Mon*y Gr*m deposits/payouts, though seems many don't anymore.

**TheMoneyShot** · 06-17-19, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by 4sees

Perhaps you'll enlighten us on how waiting for an offshore payout, after jumping through all their hoops, delays, lies, and then having to play the BTC game, "blows away" being able to walk up to the window to cash your ticket.

Yes, some A+ books can get lazy. The Bitcoin conversion is sometimes off by 1% or higher. Honestly, that's not good for business. Clients take notes... and will do business elsewhere. If books continue to PO sloppy.... that would be their downfall.

**4sees** · 06-17-19, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

I agree as well. Why on earth would you want the state that you reside in.... know everything about you??? Wagering/gambling habits etc??? Once you sign up for an account... you're on the radar. It's not worth it.

In this day and digital age, if you want to go with the flow, you don't really have a choice. Not exactly sure what your concern is about on the radar and/or State knowing that they don't already know. Just for a license they got your name, address, height, weight, DOB, ins co, plate, vehicle, what organs your donating, etc. So, I guess you don't have a supermarket/store saver card (which tracks everything about you)[you pay top retail prices], a toll transponder for ePay [you wait in line to pay cash and don't use express lanes], never use any cell phone apps (maps, even the local weather app) that have anything to do with your location, and certainly you don't use Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. for anything, and I venture to say you're not using Alexa (or similar) modern tech devices either, right? Anyway, if the Amish can still survive without electricity, you'll survive without using a State book.

**4sees** · 06-17-19, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by PharaohUB

Can I nominate this for dumbest post of the year?

PayPal can't be used because there is a high ********** rate.

No, changing one character has like a one in trillion chance of actually going somewhere and being lost in "cyberspace".

Saying you're not interested in bitcoin.... but want to online gamble. Is like saying you're interested in food but not interested in using money to get it.
Take a couple hours of your day and read up on it. You'll be a better man for it, and the world will be better off. You can educate your three friends too.

What was his deposit method I wonder? Anyway, whereas BTC (or like GBTC) is a publicly traded security, and I have no doubt is eventually headed back to over $10K+ a coin now, you can either evolve with the times as BTC is here to stay, or be Amish.

**TheMoneyShot** · 06-17-19, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by 4sees

In this day and digital age, if you want to go with the flow, you don't really have a choice. Not exactly sure what your concern is about on the radar and/or State knowing that they don't already know. Just for a license they got your name, address, height, weight, DOB, ins co, plate, vehicle, what organs your donating, etc. So, I guess you don't have a supermarket/store saver card (which tracks everything about you)[you pay top retail prices], a toll transponder for ePay [you wait in line to pay cash and don't use express lanes], never use any cell phone apps (maps, even the local weather app) that have anything to do with your location, and certainly you don't use Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. for anything, and I venture to say you're not using Alexa (or similar) modern tech devices either, right? Anyway, if the Amish can still survive without electricity, you'll survive without using a State book.

Bottom line is... my state doesn't need to know my lifestyle. Once you enter data... however it is the state allows you to gamble with sports wagering... you're on the radar. The state will most likely share the data with Federal Govt. Trust me... I know.

**4sees** · 06-17-19, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Yes, some A+ books can get lazy. The Bitcoin conversion is sometimes off by 1% or higher. Honestly, that's not good for business. Clients take notes... and will do business elsewhere. If books continue to PO sloppy.... that would be their downfall.

With you all the way on that brother. Really miss having an account with pinnaclesports, as no one in my experience
was as flawless as them when it came to paying. Many sites are totally fine in all aspects, except when it comes time to paying and/or customer service, and then they get added to my blacklist. Suppose to be having some fun here, and the last thing (next to absconding) you want from them, is payout woes. What happened to the quicker and sweeter they pay you, the quicker you can lose it back to them theory anyway?

**lt56** · 06-17-19, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by 4sees

What was his deposit method I wonder? Anyway, whereas BTC (or like GBTC) is a publicly traded security, and I have no doubt is eventually headed back to over $10K+ a coin now, you can either evolve with the times as BTC is here to stay, or be Amish.

My deposit method is a credit card, but I can't credit the card back when I win. So without a bitcoin account, it seems pointless now to bet offshore.

**Daddy89** · 06-17-19, 07:11 PM

offshore much better.... I withdrawal using BTC, If I need $$ localBitcoin and 5 minutes later I have money in my account.

**PAULYPOKER** · 06-17-19, 07:45 PM

Online sports betting began on May 28, 2019 with the soft launch of the SugarHouse Sportsbook PA app. At this point, any one of the following operators could be the next to launch their site:

FanDuel Sportsbook
DraftKings Sportsbook
Parx Sportsbook
Valley Forge Sportsbook
Presque Isle Downs Sportsbook
Rivers Sportsbook
Caesars Sportsbook

**Ksherm** · 06-18-19, 09:17 AM

Bitcoin is the only way to go..

**theclutch777** · 06-19-19, 03:38 PM

Its cool that Supreme court left it up to the states! I read in two years 25 States could have it!!

**Pr0ph3t** · 06-19-19, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by 4sees

Perhaps you'll enlighten us on how waiting for an offshore payout, after jumping through all their hoops, delays, lies, and then having to play the BTC game, "blows away" being able to walk up to the window to cash your ticket.

I never had any problems with Nitro. I withdrew 6.44BTC and it was in my BitPay account in like 10 minutes. This was 2017 when BTC was boomin’...