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  • jyney
    SBR Hustler
    • 10-16-16
    • 50

    #1
    NitrogenSports seized my funds
    Nitrogen sports seized my deposit of .144 claiming I cheated on their crap game. I won fair and square 10 bitcoins in which they paid,now they crying about I cheated. Shit is crazy
  • RonPaul2008
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-08-07
    • 6741

    #2
    Originally posted by jyney
    Nitrogen sports seized my deposit of .144 claiming I cheated on their crap game. I won fair and square 10 bitcoins in which they paid,now they crying about I cheated. Shit is crazy
    How does one cheat at online craps?
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    • Crusherrr
      SBR MVP
      • 06-27-16
      • 3649

      #3
      Originally posted by RonPaul2008
      How does one cheat at online craps?
      Seems strange they would pay you and then claim you cheated. I guess the good thing is you got paid the 10 btc and they didn't take that from you too.
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      • jyney
        SBR Hustler
        • 10-16-16
        • 50

        #4
        thats true, they want me to pay back 5 btc to reactivate my account lol
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        • jyney
          SBR Hustler
          • 10-16-16
          • 50

          #5
          After a scheduled check of our Craps records we were able to confirmed some concerning patterns in your Craps actions.
          Therefore a thorough and in depth check of all hands was requested by our Security Department.
          We were able to verify that you took advantage of a system bug that allowed you to win more than would have been a standard game payout.
          The fact that you received illicit winnings will incur in owed funds that need to be collected.
          You were able to cashout over 10 BTC based on said system error and this will need to be paid.
          Therefore your last deposit was collected as part of said owed funds.
          However, we would like to come to a compromise that will allow you to continue playing.
          You are a long time client and keeping your business is important, but, as it is standard in the industry, whenever funds have been won and/or cashed out due to a system error, clients will be contacted and we request full reimbursement of said illicit funds.
          At the moment, we will request that you return/deposit half of the owed funds (5 BTC).
          If you do so, we will consider the debt paid and you may proceed with regular actions.

          We look forward to your reply.

          Thank you,

          Laura
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          • BigOrange
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 08-13-09
            • 6745

            #6
            Did they claim that the game had a glitch or something?
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            • BigOrange
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-13-09
              • 6745

              #7
              Originally posted by jyney
              After a scheduled check of our Craps records we were able to confirmed some concerning patterns in your Craps actions.
              Therefore a thorough and in depth check of all hands was requested by our Security Department.
              We were able to verify that you took advantage of a system bug that allowed you to win more than would have been a standard game payout.
              The fact that you received illicit winnings will incur in owed funds that need to be collected.
              You were able to cashout over 10 BTC based on said system error and this will need to be paid.
              Therefore your last deposit was collected as part of said owed funds.
              However, we would like to come to a compromise that will allow you to continue playing.
              You are a long time client and keeping your business is important, but, as it is standard in the industry, whenever funds have been won and/or cashed out due to a system error, clients will be contacted and we request full reimbursement of said illicit funds.
              At the moment, we will request that you return/deposit half of the owed funds (5 BTC).
              If you do so, we will consider the debt paid and you may proceed with regular actions.

              We look forward to your reply.

              Thank you,

              Laura
              Is this correct that there was some kind of glitch in the game or payouts from the game?
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              • bonzaii
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-07-17
                • 5000

                #8
                You mean to tell me that you took advantage of the system out of 10 BTC and they didn't do an investigation till after they withdrew the money to your wallet? Let me guess, you deposited that money that ended up getting confiscated and went right to the crap table to try and hit them hard again?

                Your decision seems really easy here.
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                • Crusherrr
                  SBR MVP
                  • 06-27-16
                  • 3649

                  #9
                  I mean for you to win 10 btc something was probably not right. It's their fault for not noticing before paying you. I'd imagine you won't be returning the 5 btc to them. That would be silly regardless. If they paid you thats their fault.
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                  • littlekona
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 11-19-15
                    • 5242

                    #10
                    Casino malfunction just like in Vegas is grounds for voiding winning...obviously you knew there was a glitch and took advantage and got money out....so not sure why you are crying foul here....obviously you are done with nitrogen...I saw a case like this at fairlay where a guy cashed out after a misgrade for a few btc and they offered him a deal to payback but he just disappeared as I’m sure u will...that’s why withdrawls times increase ect do to this stuff...
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                    • jyney
                      SBR Hustler
                      • 10-16-16
                      • 50

                      #11
                      i would have charged it to the game but they used the words illicit and implied like i cheated, i gambled days straight to win that money
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                      • jyney
                        SBR Hustler
                        • 10-16-16
                        • 50

                        #12
                        it wasnt a glitch, i bet fair and square on pass and dont pass and hedged it by placing wagers on the numbers, you can do that at any casino,
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                        • jyney
                          SBR Hustler
                          • 10-16-16
                          • 50

                          #13
                          it wasnt a glitch that just had ****** up rules, you couldnt add money to the come or pass line, but you could add money to the dont come or dont pass
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                          • jyney
                            SBR Hustler
                            • 10-16-16
                            • 50

                            #14
                            Originally posted by littlekona
                            Casino malfunction just like in Vegas is grounds for voiding winning...obviously you knew there was a glitch and took advantage and got money out....so not sure why you are crying foul here....obviously you are done with nitrogen...I saw a case like this at fairlay where a guy cashed out after a misgrade for a few btc and they offered him a deal to payback but he just disappeared as I’m sure u will...that’s why withdrawls times increase ect do to this stuff...
                            i wasnt a glitch, you can win how I won on any crap table in vegas and they know that,
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                            • Crusherrr
                              SBR MVP
                              • 06-27-16
                              • 3649

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jyney
                              i wasnt a glitch, you can win how I won on any crap table in vegas and they know that,
                              So I take it you play craps full time if it's that easy. All I know is that craps was very recently added to nitrogen so I'm sure you took advantage of some type of glitch or software issue.
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                              • Optional
                                Administrator
                                • 06-10-10
                                • 61150

                                #16
                                Originally posted by jyney

                                i wasnt a glitch, you can win how I won on any crap table in vegas and they know that,
                                You just described an error in the game!


                                They sound like they treated you fine. Not sure why you want to luck into so much easy money and then make a thread acting all indignant like they are the cheats.

                                And pulease, enough with the fair n square nonsense. The game paid too much. You were clever enough to suck out 60k from it. Be happy,not a jerk.
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                                • sourtwist
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 11-10-12
                                  • 9364

                                  #17
                                  Be on your way...don't look back

                                  Or pay

                                  Simple decision...i would think
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                                  • jyney
                                    SBR Hustler
                                    • 10-16-16
                                    • 50

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Crusherrr
                                    So I take it you play craps full time if it's that easy. All I know is that craps was very recently added to nitrogen so I'm sure you took advantage of some type of glitch or software issue.
                                    yep how did you know, I beat every casino in vegas besides mgm and aria
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                                    • jyney
                                      SBR Hustler
                                      • 10-16-16
                                      • 50

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Optional
                                      You just described an error in the game!


                                      They sound like they treated you fine. Not sure why you want to luck into so much easy money and then make a thread acting all indignant like they are the cheats.

                                      And pulease, enough with the fair n square nonsense. The game paid too much. You were clever enough to suck out 60k from it. Be happy,not a jerk.
                                      i had 5 and 6k on the table in action at one time in most cases and played over a 100 hours to win, you guys act like the computer malfuctioned and added money to my account, get your nose out these casinos butt and quit bsing
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                                      • Optional
                                        Administrator
                                        • 06-10-10
                                        • 61150

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by jyney
                                        i had 5 and 6k on the table in action at one time in most cases and played over a 100 hours to win, you guys act like the computer malfuctioned and added money to my account, get your nose out these casinos butt and quit bsing
                                        I think that is what just about everyone reading believes.

                                        If you genuinely think there was nothing wrong with that game you can send in a Sportsbook Complaint form and a dispute agent can probably get a full or better explanation of what they claim was at issue and argue it out if needed. (but please don't waste everyones time if you know it was paying too much as nothing will happen and why punish them more after your good luck anyway)
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                                        • jyney
                                          SBR Hustler
                                          • 10-16-16
                                          • 50

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Optional
                                          I think that is what just about everyone reading believes.

                                          If you genuinely think there was nothing wrong with that game you can send in a Sportsbook Complaint form and a dispute agent can probably get a full or better explanation of what they claim was at issue and argue it out if needed. (but please don't waste everyones time if you know it was paying too much as nothing will happen and why punish them more after your good luck anyway)
                                          in your opinion how can an online crap game have an glitch?

                                          No it didnt pay more money when you win

                                          No it did not fail to take your wagers when you losed

                                          The odds wasnt skewed

                                          so Im tying to understand and not be sarcastic because I guess Im the only one who was "lucky"
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                                          • jyney
                                            SBR Hustler
                                            • 10-16-16
                                            • 50

                                            #22
                                            If you play dont pass and dont come at any casino either land or online and you hedge the number with a place bet of the same number you can win a couple cents, but you still have the chance to lose on the comeout with 7 and 11 so its not a guaranteed win, thats no glitch thats gambling, anybody who play craps know this strategy,its frowned upon in a real casino but its legal
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                                            • Optional
                                              Administrator
                                              • 06-10-10
                                              • 61150

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jyney

                                              in your opinion how can an online crap game have an glitch?

                                              No it didnt pay more money when you win

                                              No it did not fail to take your wagers when you losed

                                              The odds wasnt skewed

                                              so Im tying to understand and not be sarcastic because I guess Im the only one who was "lucky"
                                              We've seen it before a few times. New games get installed and are either configured wrong or have a genuine programming problem.

                                              Other instances have been things like having the bet stake returned every spin win or lose. Weird things.

                                              You mentioned something about being able to bet dont come/pass but not come/pass. Not a craps expert. Is that wrong?


                                              It sounds like you don't know where the error was exactly if there was one, so shoot in that complaint form and see if an agent can find out for sure for you.

                                              And the reason most people are expecting it to a glitch, is that Nitro have been around 5 or 6 years and this isn't something they do to people. Chances are high they are telling you the truth.
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                                              • Optional
                                                Administrator
                                                • 06-10-10
                                                • 61150

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by jyney
                                                If you play dont pass and dont come at any casino either land or online and you hedge the number with a place bet of the same number you can win a couple cents, but you still have the chance to lose on the comeout with 7 and 11 so its not a guaranteed win, thats no glitch thats gambling, anybody who play craps know this strategy,its frowned upon in a real casino but its legal
                                                Thanks for explaining.

                                                And you don't think the payout was too high?

                                                If they just don't like you following a strategy the game allows with the correct odds, that would be lame. Whatever is "frowned upon" live.
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                                                • jyney
                                                  SBR Hustler
                                                  • 10-16-16
                                                  • 50

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Optional
                                                  Thanks for explaining.

                                                  And you don't think the payout was too high?

                                                  If they just don't like you following a strategy the game allows with the correct odds, that would be lame. Whatever is "frowned upon" live.
                                                  Do i think the payout was too high?

                                                  It actually was too less if you know anything about mathematics and how craps work, their dice game was set to payout 20 to 25 percent less because they didnt offer true odds on their pass and come out bets, and other rules they had that was used to beat 97 percent of the players.

                                                  I didnt bet a dollar to win $60,000 in a parlay, i was betting the table max of .1000 for hours to win,


                                                  Most casinos frown when you play the Dont, it goes against the aura of the table but.

                                                  I lost for months before I won with their so called glitch along with hundreds of others so they will have a hard time claiming a malfunction when the game was set well below the standard of winning at a crap table
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                                                  • jyney
                                                    SBR Hustler
                                                    • 10-16-16
                                                    • 50

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                    We've seen it before a few times. New games get installed and are either configured wrong or have a genuine programming problem.

                                                    Other instances have been things like having the bet stake returned every spin win or lose. Weird things.

                                                    You mentioned something about being able to bet dont come/pass but not come/pass. Not a craps expert. Is that wrong?


                                                    It sounds like you don't know where the error was exactly if there was one, so shoot in that complaint form and see if an agent can find out for sure for you.



                                                    And the reason most people are expecting it to a glitch, is that Nitro have been around 5 or 6 years and this isn't something they do to people. Chances are high they are telling you the truth.
                                                    you can bet the pass and come but you cant add odds which is an advantage for the house, that basically eliminates any edge a player has because you cant receive true odds on a bet that is already going against the player, you can place bet but you only get 10 percent less of a payout
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                                                    • Hman
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-04-17
                                                      • 21429

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by jyney
                                                      in your opinion how can an online crap game have an glitch?

                                                      No it didn't pay more money when you win

                                                      No it did not fail to take your wagers when you losed

                                                      The odds wasnt skewed

                                                      so Im tying to understand and not be sarcastic because I guess Im the only one who was "lucky"


                                                      I've been a gamer most of my life (video games).

                                                      Sometimes they have glitches.

                                                      Online casinos are basically video games.

                                                      So while it's unlikely there was a glitch, it is possible.

                                                      I do believe you won the money fair & square, because my first ever deposit ever to an online casino 25ys or more ago, i took a mere $20 up to over $5,000.

                                                      Like you i just kept loading the table & adding odds on my numbers, and kept hitting.

                                                      Unfortunately i never cashed out as i lost it all back the following day.

                                                      Have you asked them to describe the bug?
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                                                      • cyberinvestor
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 04-30-10
                                                        • 1952

                                                        #28
                                                        Does Nitro design their own software or use a service? I am just curious
                                                        Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday.
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                                                        • bigtymer56
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 07-31-12
                                                          • 4742

                                                          #29
                                                          Take your money and move on.

                                                          Nitrogen should hire you to test any new games they release for glitches.
                                                          Last edited by bigtymer56; 08-21-18, 10:36 AM.
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                                                          • raiders72001
                                                            Senior Member
                                                            • 08-10-05
                                                            • 11077

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by cyberinvestor
                                                            Does Nitro design their own software or use a service? I am just curious
                                                            They design their own. They write their own software for most, if not all, of what they do.
                                                            Last edited by raiders72001; 08-20-18, 01:26 PM.
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                                                            • advantageU
                                                              SBR Sharp
                                                              • 06-11-17
                                                              • 386

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by raiders72001
                                                              They design their own. They write their own software for most, if not all, of what they do.
                                                              This would explain the 'bug'. Any time a sportsbook tries to get creative with their lines they get hit on the differences. This is something similar but with video game casino.
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                                                              • cashin81
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 09-10-14
                                                                • 12946

                                                                #32
                                                                They can keep hold of any new deposits.

                                                                But they cant force you to pay the money back they already paid out. You are supposed to keep any money paid out in error "in trust", but they cant do anything. So they are right that is the industry standard, but once they pay out and a small amount of time passes, the contract is over.

                                                                how soon did they contact you to pay back?
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                                                                • littlekona
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 11-19-15
                                                                  • 5242

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by raiders72001
                                                                  They design their own. They write their own software for most, if not all, of what they do.
                                                                  Is poker in house or out sourced
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                                                                  • Crusherrr
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 06-27-16
                                                                    • 3649

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by littlekona
                                                                    Is poker in house or out sourced
                                                                    Not their software for poker.
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                                                                    • dealer wins
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 02-03-09
                                                                      • 816

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by jyney
                                                                      it wasnt a glitch that just had ****** up rules, you couldnt add money to the come or pass line, but you could add money to the dont come or dont pass
                                                                      There is the "glitch" right there. If you can add money to the "dont come" bet after a point has been established, you have a player edge.

                                                                      Sounds like the casino/software had an error where it lets you increase bets on the "dont come" istead of the "come" bet.
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