[vitalyo]

Jon no one is twisting your words #9

We have added cents to our softwares and increased our limits, props and overnight lines will come in the next 72 hourswe do offer game props but we intend to expand our cart 3x.

That was what 3 weeks ago ?

Next thing we know it's your business model .

Hi Vitalyo,
You are correct I am here to promote my book , with our own business model just because we choose not to deal overnight lines does not make us a bad book it may not make us the book for everyone but then again which book is ?

Point is this is what we offer :
Jon

LOL

#20

04-19-12 06:30 PM

Hi Speedy,

Our overnight staff will be in place starting friday we have been expanding our betting cart on a daily give it a few more days to see the full selection.

Cheers!

Jon

Your business model is kind of hard to figure . Some would call bait and switch . Personally i think you got lost so i am not gonna call you a lier .

Hi guys,

Sundays we close the week out , so the overnight lines were not up and to be honest we may not have them around people " demand " the overnight lines but when I come in the next day there is practically no reason to have them up when the volume is not there.

^^^
And that is the most hilarious post made by bookmaker/owner /GM i have ever read .
TNX for entertainment .

And why not ,you will eventually get rid off "sharps" and minimize your risk . The donkeys will come cheer for you with 50% to 100% reloads , reloads = losers . Short term loan with high premium .
I have nothing against you nor your book , but from what i see , you are the one who is twisting the words .
You should of been straight . Jon when you reply to this message please don't forget to mention/ employ your best defense - that you have the fastest payouts in the industry and you offer 100% bonus . That is of curse has nothing to do with an issue . I just notice when you are angry you tend to forget .

Cheers GL.

[5mike5]

[DudleyDawson]

Again,

What policies are changing every week ? The lines have been up every night but Sunday. so now if we did not offer overnight lines means a sportsbook is not headed in the right direction?

Evo , talk to me about Betislands when you see a payout complaint.. or a customer not treated right it is pretty clear you have an agenda which is something I can deal with. As far as the Mickey mouse shop comment well if same day payouts , checks in 3 working days , good service makes us a Mickey Mouse shop , I want to be Disney Land.

I take care of everyone that plays at BI , now people can come on here and try and twist my words .. turn small complaints into large one or call us a " joke " or like you a Mickey shop because we did not have overnight lines one night in the end , people that play with us know why they play with us because they know they are going to get paid , get a nice bonus and treated decent.

And again like I have always said to posters if anyone has an issue just PM , and we will see what we can do for you.


CHEERS !

Jon

This is directed toward me cause it was also directed toward me in a pm...of which I also responded with I never called your book a joke...this is what was said, and I still think it's a joke...

so they're back to rounding bets up again? what a joke

Rudy: Yes bets are being rounded off now.

If you get me calling betislands a joke over this post, then fine.

[Betislands]

Vitalyo,

We are choosing not to deal overnight lines , we tried it and it did not work for us like I said I apologize if in your eyes that does not make us the book for you but we have plenty more to offer to make us a solid out for many players.

If anyone has any problems just PM we will work something out.

Cheers!

Jon

[MBENZ]

Vitalyo,

We are choosing not to deal overnight lines , we tried it and it did not work for us like I said I apologize if in your eyes that does not make us the book for you but we have plenty more to offer to make us a solid out for many players.

If anyone has any problems just PM we will work something out.

Cheers!

Jon

Thanks,that's all the answer I was looking for originally.Yes or no.

[shari91]

I don't know guys. If a book decides for whatever reason that something isn't viable for them or it's not a good fit for their business model, I'd rather them scrap it than to dig themselves into a hole they can't get out of whilst holding on to players' money. I get that some are frustrated... when something changes with a beloved book, it sucks royally. But as long as the book offers you quick and relatively cheap ways to get your money out should you want to move somewhere else, then I can't really rip into them.

My ability to live bet online at 365 was dropped with absolutely no notice. In fact, a few of us were in a thread ready to place bets and then suddenly we all started posting wtf???? Phone only??? However... we could get our cash out quickly if we chose and at least for myself, my money is still there because all other aspects of that book are great for me. At least BI reps are here discussing it with you. As much as I love 365, I'm not sure if they'd pop up on SBR daily.

Disclaimer: I tried to sign up at BI as I was probably the 2nd person on here to see the freeplay offer last year and told a ton of guys about it. Unfortunately I couldn't living in Australia so I've never played there. My post is just based on a comparable change - actually a much bigger change - at 365.

[evo34]

Jon no one is twisting your words #9

That was what 3 weeks ago ?

Next thing we know it's your business model .

LOL

#20

Your business model is kind of hard to figure . Some would call bait and switch . Personally i think you got lost so i am not gonna call you a lier .


^^^
And that is the most hilarious post made by bookmaker/owner /GM i have ever read .
TNX for entertainment .

And why not ,you will eventually get rid off "sharps" and minimize your risk . The donkeys will come cheer for you with 50% to 100% reloads , reloads = losers . Short term loan with high premium .
I have nothing against you nor your book , but from what i see , you are the one who is twisting the words .
You should of been straight . Jon when you reply to this message please don't forget to mention/ employ your best defense - that you have the fastest payouts in the industry and you offer 100% bonus . That is of curse has nothing to do with an issue . I just notice when you are angry you tend to forget .

Cheers GL.

I was going to reply to Li'l Jon, but you said it all. What a slippery little fukk he has turned out to be. BI today = BetPhoenix 2 years ago. Same red flags: inability to manage lines, constantly making self-contradicting statements on this forum, massive employee turnover. Proceed at own risk.

[robmpink]

They are a top notch book!

[Parlayking11]

I was going to reply to Li'l Jon, but you said it all. What a slippery little fukk he has turned out to be. BI today = BetPhoenix 2 years ago. Same red flags: inability to manage lines, constantly making self-contradicting statements on this forum, massive employee turnover. Proceed at own risk.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about regarding BI and you obviously have never played there either... This is a top notch book and Jon is one of the best GM's to deal with in this industry. It appears you are bashing them just for the fukk of it or you're trying to scare away people because you work for a competitors book. Jon has answered all of your questions/concerns and it sounds like BI is not the book for you so stop trolling with your agenda and gamble elsewhere. You are disrespectful deutsche bag- now piss off you moron!!

[SBRMAN23]

Too many phone Calls from them is my only problem if I want info on bonuses I will call u stop the unknown number callings please

[robmpink]

Too many phone Calls from them is my only problem if I want info on bonuses I will call u stop the unknown number callings please

I will give the unofficial Betislands and SBR response...........

Betislands-Hi SBRman just contact us if you don't want to be contacted. It is as easy as that.

Sbr-It is just the nature of the industry and alot of books do it. Nothing out of the ordinary.


did u bother to ask them? Gee whiz. If there is any book that would honor the request it has to be BI.

[taxer]

Agendas..lol , this is by far my favorite book evo ill tell you what find a client that has not been paid out correctly or treated well and then come and do your speech till then you may want to tell your employer he will just have to deal with the fact that betislands is one of the best out there

[evo34]

Agendas..lol , this is by far my favorite book evo ill tell you what find a client that has not been paid out correctly or treated well and then come and do your speech till then you may want to tell your employer he will just have to deal with the fact that betislands is one of the best out there

Read all my posts over the last 4 years, and then tell me who my employer is. Should be a good one.

[evo34]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about regarding BI and you obviously have never played there either... This is a top notch book and Jon is one of the best GM's to deal with in this industry. It appears you are bashing them just for the fukk of it or you're trying to scare away people because you work for a competitors book. Jon has answered all of your questions/concerns and it sounds like BI is not the book for you so stop trolling with your agenda and gamble elsewhere. You are disrespectful deutsche bag- now piss off you moron!!

I call 'em like I see 'em. There's a certain pattern here. Bet Camelot (look it up if you're too young), BetPhoenix, now Bet Islands. Wasn't a fan of how the first two turned out.

[Bill Dozer]

Players should always keep their finger to the wind. Consistency is important. Today it's a little different than the old days where books would change their Neteller payouts by a day or at what price the dimeline breaks and you could tell things were shaking up. These days, a book might stop taking players during baseball season and be just fine. BetIslands is still a young book and hasn't made all its decisions about things like what it wants to do during slow season and promos. That's the difference with now and then... they can change it up during baseball and still have thousands of players in August. Unfortunately for players at all books, the market dictates what they provide and not what a few may complain about. That said, BI is discussing your feedback with SBR. They made a big investment with their own office and bigger staff. They aren't going to fill that office with players unless they give players a good product, listen to feedback and can execute. We know the owners are well respected in CR for a lot of years. The pieces are there for BI to make noise again in 2012-13. Players not happy about overnight bases, should take a payout.

[robmpink]

Players should always keep their finger to the wind. Consistency is important. Today it's a little different than the old days where books would change their Neteller payouts by a day or at what price the dimeline breaks and you could tell things were shaking up. These days, a book might stop taking players during baseball season and be just fine. BetIslands is still a young book and hasn't made all its decisions about things like what it wants to do during slow season and promos. That's the difference with now and then... they can change it up during baseball and still have thousands of players in August. Unfortunately for players at all books, the market dictates what they provide and not what a few may complain about. That said, BI is discussing your feedback with SBR. They made a big investment with their own office and bigger staff. They aren't going to fill that office with players unless they give players a good product, listen to feedback and can execute. We know the owners are well respected in CR for a lot of years. The pieces are there for BI to make noise again in 2012-13. Players not happy about overnight bases, should take a payout.

well said

[vitalyo]

Players should always keep their finger to the wind. Consistency is important. Today it's a little different than the old days where books would change their Neteller payouts by a day or at what price the dimeline breaks and you could tell things were shaking up. These days, a book might stop taking players during baseball season and be just fine. BetIslands is still a young book and hasn't made all its decisions about things like what it wants to do during slow season and promos. That's the difference with now and then... they can change it up during baseball and still have thousands of players in August. Unfortunately for players at all books, the market dictates what they provide and not what a few may complain about. That said, BI is discussing your feedback with SBR. They made a big investment with their own office and bigger staff. They aren't going to fill that office with players unless they give players a good product, listen to feedback and can execute. We know the owners are well respected in CR for a lot of years. The pieces are there for BI to make noise again in 2012-13. Players not happy about overnight bases, should take a payout.

Players not happy about overnight bases, should take a payout.

Good advice .Bill did you read this trend? It's not about whether they will or will not post overnight lines !!!

It is about jerking off the players ! Book never gave a straight answer , till this trend popped up . After going in circles for 3 weeks, Jon finally gave us a straight answer .

MENDEZ Thanks,that's all the answer I was looking for originally.Yes or no.

Book can change what ever they are willing to offer ,but it doesn't have to take them 3 weeks to inform the players . He is been asked numerous times .
Then he comes out with " it is our model " / what's the problemstatement . Since when?
Didn't he promised to have them ? Bill you are an educated guy , and you know better on why book stopped posting overnight line . If you don't call one of your A-B, even C-D books they will explain to you .

These days, a book might stop taking players during baseball season and be just fine.

You are talking about Rebatewager .And that is not a problem , Blackie's model could be found on his website , we don't have to chase him for 3 weeks to find an answer.
What was the point of your post ? Clearly it is not related to an issue .

Cheers GL.

[BranchDavidian]

Good advice .Bill did you read this trend? It's not about whether they will or will not post overnight lines !!!

It is about jerking off the players ! Book never gave a straight answer , till this trend popped up . After going in circles for 3 weeks, Jon finally gave us a straight answer .

Book can change what ever they are willing to offer ,but it doesn't have to take them 3 weeks to inform the players . He is been asked numerous times .
Then he comes out with " it is our model " / what's the problemstatement . Since when?
Didn't he promised to have them ? Bill you are an educated guy , and you know better .hy book s If youon wtopped posting overnight line don't call one of your A-B, even C-D books they will explain to you .

You are talking about Rebatewager .And that is not a problem , Blackie's model could be found on his website , we don't have to chase him for 3 weeks to find an answer.
What was the point of your post ? Clearly it is not related to an issue .

Cheers GL.

Vitalyo, would you mind explaining to me why overnight baseball lines are so dangerous for books? I have been wondering about this ever since this thread started. I have been around the industry for ten years now, and was under the impression that the more volume a book gets, the better for the book. I understand that the lines will move quite a bit from overnight odds and books don't want to get a whole lot of one-sided action at odds that are going to be worse than the closing line. But, overnight lines move just as daily lines move. If a books is taking too much action on one side of a market ( at lower maximums than during the day ), then they change the odds to attract more bets on the other side --- just as they do during the day. It is obvious that you know what you are talking about from reading this thread --- so please spell this out for me. I would like to get educated.

[vitalyo]

Vitalyo, would you mind explaining to me why overnight baseball lines are so dangerous for books? I have been wondering about this ever since this thread started. I have been around the industry for ten years now, and was under the impression that the more volume a book gets, the better for the book. I understand that the lines will move quite a bit from overnight odds and books don't want to get a whole lot of one-sided action at odds that are going to be worse than the closing line. But, overnight lines move just as daily lines move. If a books is taking too much action on one side of a market ( at lower maximums than during the day ), then they change the odds to attract more bets on the other side --- just as they do during the day. It is obvious that you know what you are talking about from reading this thread --- so please spell this out for me. I would like to get educated.

You are been betting bases for 10 years and you don't know ?

I have been around the industry for ten years now, and was under the impression that the more volume a book gets, the better for the book.

Not always . Overnight lines can kill the book (small book) Books like pinny 5dimes they will make up their losses on other games and sports , because of the large volume of wagers they get . Early openers and overnights tend to have much bigger swings then the day time lines .
Overnight lines are just a books guess ,overnights gives an opportunity to lock into odds that haven't been moved by the sharp or public baseball bettors.

If a books is taking too much action on one side of a market ( at lower maximums than during the day ), then they change the odds to attract more bets on the other side --- just as they do during the day

Yes books seek to get two-way action and the day time lines are moving as well , but not as much and can easily be adjusted . The example is bellow

18) BET ID=@@@@@@@

Straight Wager 05/05/12 02:10 ET bet 200.00 to win 183.00 (paid 383.00) Result: Wager Won

Arizona Diamondbacks P Corbin 3 New York Mets J Santana 4 05/05/2012(16:10 ET) Under 7.5 (1.83)

Game opened @ 7,5 O/U by the morning line settled @ 7 and still favoring the under . Book like BI opens line at 7 FAIR MARKET PRICE and can easily adjust the money . Now this game landed on exactly 7 , so unlike the book above there is no loss for BI because they open/offered already sharpened line @7 , would the game go over or under 7 they would still make money on juice .
Openers are not settled and for a small book that mainly takes the wagers on BBL may not give them an opportunity to balance the money= big losses .
For the players you have the opportunity to get great value before everyone else jumps on ship.
Well think about who is staying up till 00:00 to place a bet on the team that plays the game the fallowing game @ 22:00 . Books that are not offering overnights kill 2 ducks , sharps + all they offer is a fair price .Guaranteed money !
Day time line moves . If i see the (overnights)line is moving my way i will wait till noon or the game time to take a bet . It's all about how you valuate the game and what is the fair price .
Overnights compare to the daytime gives a player an extra opportunity/edge over the book . The extra value can turn losing player into break even player , break even player into winner.
That's my take on overnight/ early lines with any sport .

Cheers GL.

[taxer]

Great explanation Vitalyo thanks , it seems like BI is just watching their back a bit you cant blame a book for doing that. I saw they have a 20% cash monthly rebate no rollover no stips now on all action? anyone know more detail ?

[evo34]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about regarding BI and you obviously have never played there either... This is a top notch book and Jon is one of the best GM's to deal with in this industry. It appears you are bashing them just for the fukk of it or you're trying to scare away people because you work for a competitors book. Jon has answered all of your questions/concerns and it sounds like BI is not the book for you so stop trolling with your agenda and gamble elsewhere. You are disrespectful deutsche bag- now piss off you moron!!

That, or I was simply bashing Li'l Jon to let people know to stay away from his slippery ass..

[evo34]

Agendas..lol , this is by far my favorite book evo ill tell you what find a client that has not been paid out correctly or treated well and then come and do your speech till then you may want to tell your employer he will just have to deal with the fact that betislands is one of the best out there

No thanks. It's actually better to predict problems ahead of time rather than wait until it is too late.

[Milk Money]

Players should always keep their finger to the wind. Consistency is important. Today it's a little different than the old days where books would change their Neteller payouts by a day or at what price the dimeline breaks and you could tell things were shaking up. These days, a book might stop taking players during baseball season and be just fine. BetIslands is still a young book and hasn't made all its decisions about things like what it wants to do during slow season and promos. That's the difference with now and then... they can change it up during baseball and still have thousands of players in August. Unfortunately for players at all books, the market dictates what they provide and not what a few may complain about. That said, BI is discussing your feedback with SBR. They made a big investment with their own office and bigger staff. They aren't going to fill that office with players unless they give players a good product, listen to feedback and can execute. We know the owners are well respected in CR for a lot of years. The pieces are there for BI to make noise again in 2012-13. Players not happy about overnight bases, should take a payout.

Are the owners still well respected Bill? Or was "Jon" the owner as he has said in previous threads?