For all you degens playing blackjack online: BetOnline caught cheating at BJ

**ezeemunee** · 02-21-17, 07:09 PM

I've always known that casinos cheat. Witnessed it first hand myself in Vegas

**captrobey** · 02-21-17, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by 5918mike

It's a very small sample size of video as well, I'd like to see more tape of this dealer to see how often he even puts his hand on the shoe like that, any other odd mannerisms because that looks very deliberate to me and looks like a practiced move.

There is no mistaking the finger going up. I have played against this guy and have said crap in the message board because of the continuous crap i always used to get in there . And i never even thought about watching what they caught him doing. I especially would like to go back and look because after big Sport wins i would at times be stupid and start losing it in casino and start betting higher hands. I would love to go back and see my bigger hands of $300-$500

**ezeemunee** · 02-21-17, 08:10 PM

The dealer doesn't stand to gain anything by cheating. The only plausible reason for doing what he did, was that he was directed to do so by the "boss"

**captrobey** · 02-21-17, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by ezeemunee

The dealer doesn't stand to gain anything by cheating. The only plausible reason for doing what he did, was that he was directed to do so by the "boss"

I disagree there is a ton to gain by cheating. First - this casino is at more then 1 sportsbook. So i think they give the book a cut of the losses.

If you win at Sportsbetting what better way to get the money back then ripping people off in the Casino. I have lost easily through the years online $40000 at least in there . Probably more . I have cashed out a lot but then again i cannot tell you how many times i have won $4588 and thought i will just go in casino and round it off and end up losing everything. Endless times i have gone in with between $500-$1000 trying to round it off and lost it all to insane BS hands. Now- i am not the only one doing this. Think of all the money they gained by doing this.

On top of all this since these are overseas and really not regulated(I do not care what people say they are not) they can easily get away with it . Because what are you going to do? Look at what just happened caught Red Handed . All that happened is they will give him a slap on the wrist, say it was Human Error- and continue doing the same crap maybe just find another way of doing it since they were caught.

**ezeemunee** · 02-22-17, 12:03 AM

the casino is trying to blame this whole mess on an "error" by the dealer. my point is that the dealer himself does not stand to gain anything by cheating. he only works for the casino/operator. so any "error" committed on his part had to have been directed from the casino/operator in charge

**semibluff** · 02-22-17, 03:03 AM

The thread should be in the Sportsbook and the Industry forum, as it now is.
Presumably the YouTube video is now censored to hide the dealer's face because of potential legal action.

**captrobey** · 02-22-17, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by ezeemunee

the casino is trying to blame this whole mess on an "error" by the dealer. my point is that the dealer himself does not stand to gain anything by cheating. he only works for the casino/operator. so any "error" committed on his part had to have been directed from the casino/operator in charge

I doubt even if it is the Casino that tells him - that before he even takes the Job he would have been aware of what goes on. Who knows i am sure a lot of his income is through tips. But maybe if the Casino gains from players losses they get a bonus somehow from the more the players lose. I also douby that was the first time he did that i think if you looked at all the tables it goes on way more then people thought.

**BrickJames** · 02-22-17, 09:56 AM

Casinos don't need to cheat at Blackjack they already have a built-in advantage.

**captrobey** · 02-22-17, 10:43 AM

B & M Casinos will more then likely be fair. If they get caught they can lose a lot. But online nothing can really be done to them. If they make their money through losses (Which they do) what do you think they will do if say someone like me has a larger bet of say $400 down? If they know what the next card is and can alter the outcome you do not think they may do it? Especially if they feel they will never be caught anyway?

**BrickJames** · 02-22-17, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by captrobey

B & M Casinos will more then likely be fair. If they get caught they can lose a lot. But online nothing can really be done to them. If they make their money through losses (Which they do) what do you think they will do if say someone like me has a larger bet of say $400 down? If they know what the next card is and can alter the outcome you do not think they may do it? Especially if they feel they will never be caught anyway?

A sports book with a maximum parlay payout of $150,000 per day does not care about your $400 bet and also does not consider that a large bet.

**captrobey** · 02-22-17, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by BrickJames

A sports book with a maximum parlay payout of $150,000 per day does not care about your $400 bet and also does not consider that a large bet.

Are you kidding? OMG if i am betting all of a sudden $400 a hand which i have after winning a large Sportsbook bet you do not think they want to get that from me? And a parlay hit like that would be what a higher team parlay with the amount of teams much harder to hit anyways. This guy just got caught RED HANDED.

I have played in this Casino tons of times. I never win anything major ever. Once in awhile it may let me have something here and there. But the hands the dealer gets compared to me are insane . No matter what table i go to. And i am a decent player. I have had crowds gather around me at the PARX In the past watching me win . But NEVER have i have any success in these stupid online casinos. MY own stupidity for playing them. But if this guy got caught are you going to tell me this was just 1 isolated incident?

**BrickJames** · 02-22-17, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by captrobey

Are you kidding? OMG if i am betting all of a sudden $400 a hand which i have after winning a large Sportsbook bet you do not think they want to get that from me? And a parlay hit like that would be what a higher team parlay with the amount of teams much harder to hit anyways. This guy just got caught RED HANDED.

I have played in this Casino tons of times. I never win anything major ever. Once in awhile it may let me have something here and there. But the hands the dealer gets compared to me are insane . No matter what table i go to. And i am a decent player. I have had crowds gather around me at the PARX In the past watching me win . But NEVER have i have any success in these stupid online casinos. MY own stupidity for playing them. But if this guy got caught are you going to tell me this was just 1 isolated incident?

No one can deal cards correctly 100% of the time. There will always be some percentage of human error. Every guy who plays blackjack sounds exactly like you. They all think they are supposed to win.

There is a built in house advantage of 2%.

The game is designed to make you feel like you are winning when you're really losing. Make you feel like you are a lifetime winner when you are a lifetime loser. I don't doubt you went on some sick Blackjack runs, anyone who plays Blackjack has that's all part of the game.

All I'm saying is one video of one dealer messing up one hand does not mean that BetOnline is doing anything shady with their blackjack games.

I myself have lost a ton over the years playing Blackjack it is a sick game for sick degenerates.

**ezeemunee** · 02-22-17, 01:38 PM

casinos cheat. a few years back i played at a casino in Vegas. went on a heater and won a bunch. the pitboss called for a deck change. they brought two decks in a glass case. the dealer immediately put the cards into play without going thru the validation process they normally do where they filp the decks and spread out each deck to check/verify the cards. i asked the dealer about this at the time and he told me that the cards were "already pre-shuffled". i was winning at the time and didn't think too much of it. needless to say I ended up losing most of my money after that point. dealer didn't bust as frequently, i hardly got a face card when i doubled down and black jacks were few and far between. that's when i realized that the casino was probably cheating and that the "special" decks they bought out were probably loaded, whereby many of the tens and face cards are replaced by smaller value cards. i've never played BlackJack again since with the expectation of winning big anymore...only for entertainment value.

**BrickJames** · 02-22-17, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by ezeemunee

casinos cheat. a few years back i played at a casino in Vegas. went on a heater and won a bunch. the pitboss called for a deck change. they brought two decks in a glass case. the dealer immediately put the cards into play without going thru the validation process they normally do where they filp the decks and spread out each deck to check/verify the cards. i asked the dealer about this at the time and he told me that the cards were "already pre-shuffled". i was winning at the time and didn't think too much of it. needless to say I ended up losing most of my money after that point. dealer didn't bust as frequently, i hardly got a face card when i doubled down and black jacks were few and far between. that's when i realized that the casino was probably cheating and that the "special" decks they bought out were probably loaded, whereby many of the tens and face cards are replaced by smaller value cards. i've never played BlackJack again since with the expectation of winning big anymore...only for entertainment value.

I would have immediately called for the king Pit Boss to come down.

**captrobey** · 02-22-17, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by BrickJames

No one can deal cards correctly 100% of the time. There will always be some percentage of human error. Every guy who plays blackjack sounds exactly like you. They all think they are supposed to win.

There is a built in house advantage of 2%.

The game is designed to make you feel like you are winning when you're really losing. Make you feel like you are a lifetime winner when you are a lifetime loser. I don't doubt you went on some sick Blackjack runs, anyone who plays Blackjack has that's all part of the game.

All I'm saying is one video of one dealer messing up one hand does not mean that BetOnline is doing anything shady with their blackjack games.

I myself have lost a ton over the years playing Blackjack it is a sick game for sick degenerates.

No actually in a real Casino i am nicely up. I am a good player . Sure i do not win every time and yes once in awhile the dealer will go on a run. But so can i. Online i ALWAYS add up the amount of times the dealer gets a 20 or 21 compared to me. It is ALWAYS at least A 2-1 Ratio over me. Normally it is 3-1 or worse. Every Time. I have posted tons of hands showing this.

On live BJ you would think it would be better. Maybe just slightly but not much. I have had some success at rare times i went on the live Casino EARLY morning when those LBC guys are not around as much. I have won some then . I actually have gotten a couple 20s but normally i am not up at like 3 AM .

You say they do not cheat but i posted what happened to me at DSI before. I NEVER win on there. I got mad and sent them an e-mail basically saying how they should be ashamed of cheating people like they were.I sent them a ton of hands to prove my point. They actually responded. All they asked was what was my Acct # . Thought maybe they were going to give me some cash back or something, when i went in there was no cash. But all of a sudden i got a normal average day. I was getting normal hands and the dealer was too not a 20-21 every hand anymore like before. I won like $3500 the most i ever did in DSI . Then the next day it went back to the way it was before. They control the cards . They threw me a bone basically which i am sure i will never see again. Now this was not Live it was virtual. But if they cheat in the Virtual Casino you can be sure not to trust the Live either .

**gauchojake** · 02-25-17, 08:40 PM

I don't think it's been posted here but Brent Beckley of Absolute Poker fame is rumored to have joined the team at BOL. Just in case you forgot or didn't know, AP had super users that could see hole cards. The owners fleeced high rollers for a lot of money. They also had a blackjack scam on their site where people would "win" the first real money hand to encourage play on their rigged BJ game. If you for one instant think that BOL or any of these online casinos are not rigged because there's already a house edge, you are delusional.

**captrobey** · 02-25-17, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by gauchojake

I don't think it's been posted here but Brent Beckley of Absolute Poker fame is rumored to have joined the team at BOL. Just in case you forgot or didn't know, AP had super users that could see hole cards. The owners fleeced high rollers for a lot of money. They also had a blackjack scam on their site where people would "win" the first real money hand to encourage play on their rigged BJ game. If you for one instant think that BOL or any of these online casinos are not rigged because there's already a house edge, you are delusional.

They are not regulated. If you get a large Sports Book win they have a great chance to get it all back before you can cash out. If they do this to all the players they can either gain more money or make you lose anything you have won. For anyone to say the Sportsbook has nothing to gain By cheating is totally 100% INSANE.

**blackbart** · 02-26-17, 09:53 AM

its a reasonable assumption that they will cheat
never underestimate greed

**tsty** · 02-26-17, 10:23 AM

only weird thing is they changed from global gaming labs (the casino in the op) to another one just recently

coincidence or nah?

global gaming labs is definitely the best one out of all the live dealers so it's weird they changed all of a sudden

pinnacle also uses global gaming labs so I doubt there is anything nefarious going on

**DroopyDog** · 02-26-17, 03:54 PM

If you guys knew the owner of this casino, you would think twice about playing there..

Another thing... they never, ever fan out the cards at any point of the day.... despite in their rules saying they will every day at 2am.

**captrobey** · 02-26-17, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by DroopyDog

If you guys knew the owner of this casino, you would think twice about playing there..

Another thing... they never, ever fan out the cards at any point of the day.... despite in their rules saying they will every day at 2am.

Funny thing most times i get destroyed with endless insane hands. Even if you go on just to watch almost every time the hand you watch will be a 19-21 . The only real time i have won decent amounts was when you say at like 1-3 AM but i normally am not awake then.

**evo34** · 02-26-17, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by ezeemunee

The dealer doesn't stand to gain anything by cheating. The only plausible reason for doing what he did, was that he was directed to do so by the "boss"

It takes two to make a thing go wrong. It's like saying a very skilled burglar had nothing to gain by stealing things and splitting the profits with a crime boss. Was the burglar the mastermind? No. But his skill and willingness were critical to the operation.

And who knows whose idea it was to begin with. It could very easily have been the dealer saying to the casino, "hey, I have the ability to cheat for you if you want -- just give me x% of excess profit made."

**evo34** · 02-26-17, 06:40 PM

Back in the day (1990s), I posed as an online casino owner to ask a major software provider (used by 5 Dimes at the time) if I would be able to control the house edge separately from the rules. I.e., does your software generate cards in such a way as to guarantee a certain house edge over time and can this edge be dialed up or down without changing the user experience?

His answer: "Yes. That is the way our software is designed."

Lesson: Don't ever play online casino games.

**ezeemunee** · 02-26-17, 07:16 PM

I agree, that is a possibility. But me gut feeling tells me the directive to cheat came from the top.

**captrobey** · 02-26-17, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by evo34

It takes two to make a thing go wrong. It's like saying a very skilled burglar had nothing to gain by stealing things and splitting the profits with a crime boss. Was the burglar the mastermind? No. But his skill and willingness were critical to the operation.

And who knows whose idea it was to begin with. It could very easily have been the dealer saying to the casino, "hey, I have the ability to cheat for you if you want -- just give me x% of excess profit made."

That is what i think it is exactly. they are at more then one Sportsbook. I doubt they let them in out of the goodness of their heart without getting a take of the losses. And like i said what better way on top of that then to get back any winnings a player may have had through Sportsbetting.

And if anyone thinks that the Sportsbook does not know what they are doing there have been endless complaints about the casino that hey are most absolutely aware .And nothing EVER gets done about it.

**konck** · 03-12-17, 02:04 AM

Edit by SBR to Include BetOnline Response:

BetOnline.ag has been notified of an instance of potentially questionable behavior by a black jack dealer from its previous Live Dealer Casino Provider on the date of January 25th, 2017. The Company removed the previous Provider’s Casino and replaced it with the much improved Visionary iGaming Live Dealer product on February 18th 2017.

BetOnline.ag is currently looking into the issue with help and careful cooperation from the previous Live Dealer provider. BetOnline.ag asks that anyone who feels they may have been affected by this dealer’s actions to contact them by email at Casino@BetOnline.ag.

LOL excellent response pass the cheating blame to a dealer who gains nothing. He's cheating for the site...if you dont understand that then your the fool they want playing

**konck** · 03-12-17, 02:06 AM

But of course they cant respond

Yes we got caught cheating fuk you all who played and lost....This is online you idiots!!!!!!

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 03-12-17, 02:09 AM

Did he follow instructions and got caught?

He got a payout, right?

Dude can't be seen dealing cards again. His face is too famous now.

**konck** · 03-12-17, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by ezeemunee

I've always known that casinos cheat. Witnessed it first hand myself in Vegas

Ive been in the casino industry over 30 yrs now days casino's would 100% Not Cheat
They have gaming commissions to govern them if you cheat and get caught your closed end of story you lose a multi
million sometimes billion dollar property
Online is fake gaming commissions usually made up by the site themselves of course online gaming cheats...its run by criminals

**konck** · 03-12-17, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by DiggityDaggityDo

Did he follow instructions and got caught?

He got a payout, right?

Dude can't be seen dealing cards again. His face is too famous now.

Hired Gun

**dealer wins** · 03-12-17, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by ezeemunee

casinos cheat. a few years back i played at a casino in Vegas. went on a heater and won a bunch. the pitboss called for a deck change. they brought two decks in a glass case. the dealer immediately put the cards into play without going thru the validation process they normally do where they filp the decks and spread out each deck to check/verify the cards. i asked the dealer about this at the time and he told me that the cards were "already pre-shuffled". i was winning at the time and didn't think too much of it. needless to say I ended up losing most of my money after that point. dealer didn't bust as frequently, i hardly got a face card when i doubled down and black jacks were few and far between. that's when i realized that the casino was probably cheating and that the "special" decks they bought out were probably loaded, whereby many of the tens and face cards are replaced by smaller value cards. i've never played BlackJack again since with the expectation of winning big anymore...only for entertainment value.

This happened only in your head mate lol

**konck** · 03-12-17, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by ezeemunee

casinos cheat. a few years back i played at a casino in Vegas. went on a heater and won a bunch. the pitboss called for a deck change. they brought two decks in a glass case. the dealer immediately put the cards into play without going thru the validation process they normally do where they filp the decks and spread out each deck to check/verify the cards. i asked the dealer about this at the time and he told me that the cards were "already pre-shuffled". i was winning at the time and didn't think too much of it. needless to say I ended up losing most of my money after that point. dealer didn't bust as frequently, i hardly got a face card when i doubled down and black jacks were few and far between. that's when i realized that the casino was probably cheating and that the "special" decks they bought out were probably loaded, whereby many of the tens and face cards are replaced by smaller value cards. i've never played BlackJack again since with the expectation of winning big anymore...only for entertainment value.

100% total bs you were probably drunk and the cards are changed routinely....nice story lol
Even if they did bring in a load 1 drunk or bad player making 1 bad play throws everything out of whack

But online they can cheat at will they only have self made fake gaming commissions

**ezeemunee** · 03-12-17, 03:24 PM

it was me and one other player (a friend) playing at this table...no one else. and NO I wasn't drunk and cuz I don't drink. the deck was "hot" if you know what I mean, and dealer was not busting as often as the normal probability and I definitely was not hitting my fair share of face cards on double-downs. if you don't understand what i'm trying to say, then don't bother...

**konck** · 03-13-17, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by ezeemunee

it was me and one other player (a friend) playing at this table...no one else. and NO I wasn't drunk and cuz I don't drink. the deck was "hot" if you know what I mean, and dealer was not busting as often as the normal probability and I definitely was not hitting my fair share of face cards on double-downs. if you don't understand what i'm trying to say, then don't bother...

Yea idiot they really need the pennies your drunk azz was betting lol and for those pennies they risk everything
Give up ....Stupid never wins

**konck** · 03-13-17, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by DroopyDog

If you guys knew the owner of this casino, you would think twice about playing there..

Another thing... they never, ever fan out the cards at any point of the day.... despite in their rules saying they will every day at 2am.

When new cards are brought to the table the floor supervisor inspects (usually by fanning the cards) Then the dealer inspects (usually by fanning the cards)