Pinbet88 divided by 2 all my limits (max wager) on basketball !?! The same for you ??

**tristan** · 12-13-16, 11:00 PM

And could someone who uses a normal Pinnacle (not a Pinbet88 account with an agent) tell us what are limits with a normal Pinnacle account please? It seems limits for accounts through agents (Pinbet88 accounts) maybe are now twice lower than Pinnacle accounts..

**Optional** · 12-14-16, 12:39 AM

Pinny limits change as game time approaches. Are you sure it's not just that?

Recreational player accounts also enjoy higher limits than standard there as well, so it's tough to compare limits with random people. I can get a bit under 1000 euro down right now on the NLEX match but my account is very likely to have higher limits for that sport than the base standard limits agent accounts would get.

Maybe a sharp player that moves basketball odds there will chime in and let us know theirs. But you still need to compare at the same moment.

Shoot an email to AC88 and ask them what they think and let us know what they say?

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Pinny limits change as game time approaches. Are you sure it's not just that?

There is only one PHI BB match on the board right now NLEX v Blackwater. I can get down a bit under 1000 Euro for sides and totals and half that amount for 1st half bets.

Shoot an email to AC88 and ask them and let us know what they say?

Thank you for your answer Optionnal. Yes you're right Pinny limits change as game time approaches, but that is not the problem here, as i told you limits clearly have been divided by 2. If i have a look at the philippin BB match you talked me, NLEX/Blackwater, and for which you told me your limits were a bit under 1000 euros, these are my limits at the moment: a bit under 400 euros for totals and spread/handicaps ! As i told you, limits are twice lower now.

Did the limits you tell me concern a pinnacle account or a Pinbet88 account please Optional??

Now the questions are:
-Have limits been divided by 2 for agents accounts (compared to normal pinnacle accounts)?
-Does it concern all agents (Mine is AC, but do customers who have other agents experience the same?)
-Is it a personnal restriction on my account??

I've already sent email to AC (impossible to join them by live chat at the moment), and i'm waiting for their answer/explanation

**Optional** · 12-14-16, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by tristan

Thank you for your answer Optionnal. Yes you're right Pinny limits change as game time approaches, but that is not the problem here, as i told you limits clearly have been divided by 2. If i have a look at the philippin BB match you talked me, NLEX/Blackwater, and for which you told me your limits were a bit under 1000 euros, these are my limits at the moment: a bit under 400 euros for totals and spread/handicaps ! As i told you, limits are twice lower now.

Did the limits you tell me concern a pinnacle account or a Pinbet88 account please Optional??

Now the questions are:
-Have limits been divided by 2 for agents accounts (compared to normal pinnacle accounts)?
-Does it concern all agents (Mine is AC, but do customers who have other agents experience the same?)
-Is it a personnal restriction on my account??

I've already sent email to AC (impossible to join them by live chat at the moment), and i'm waiting for their answer/explanation

I edited my reply a little after you had quoted me above. Maybe re-check what my post now says after the edit.

I realized after I posted that my personal Pinny account limit for Phillipines basketball is very likely the max anyone gets there. Whereas agent accounts through Pinbet88 would very likely be getting the base limit amounts sharps get.

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 01:06 AM

I almost had the same limits as you some days ago Optionnal, i know what my limits were when lines opened, and what they were at the end of market, and i can guarantee you limits have now been divided by 2 on my account. I'm waiting for AC explanation

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 01:07 AM

And when i say "divided by 2" i'm even far from reality, as you told me your max is bit under 1000euros at the moment whereas mine is under 400...

**Optional** · 12-14-16, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by tristan

And when i say "divided by 2" i'm even far from reality, as you told me your max is bit under 1000euros at the moment whereas mine is under 400...

I'd like to hear from a sharp account holder there before making too many assumptions but another player did start a thread last week saying he thought his limits had dropped via Pinbet88 and after emailing AC88 he reported being told the "issue was fixed" and limits restored.

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I'd like to hear from a sharp account holder there before making too many assumptions but another player did start a thread last week saying he thought his limits had dropped via Pinbet88 and after emailing AC88 he reported being told the "issue was fixed" and limits restored.

You canconsider me as a sharp account holder... Very interesting what you said about that player who had his limits restored... I 'll contact AC again ...By the way does anyone know why AC can't be reached by live chat the moment?

**Optional** · 12-14-16, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by tristan

You canconsider me as a sharp account holder... Very interesting what you said about that player who had his limits restored... I 'll contact AC again ...By the way does anyone know why AC can't be reached by live chat the moment?

I think you are better to email. A first level live chat CS operator probably cant do much other than ask someone else.

Honestly I was sceptical about the other report too. And wasn't 100% convinced any issue needed to be fixed for him. But you saying the same thing this week does add more credence to that report. Let's not assume until we find out though. AC88 is very responsive usually and if you can't get this explained/fixed yourself SBR can contact a senior manager in there for you if needed.

I meant another direct Pinny account holder who moves BB lines to compare to btw. Not if you are sharp or not.

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I think you are better to email. A first level live chat CS operator probably cant do much other than ask someone else.

Honestly I was sceptical about the other report too. And wasn't 100% convinced any issue needed to be fixed for him. But you saying the same thing this week does add more credence to that report. Let's not assume until we find out though. AC88 is very responsive usually and if you can't get this explained/fixed yourself SBR can contact a senior manager in there for you if needed.

I meant another direct Pinny account holder who moves BB lines to compare to btw. Not if you are sharp or not.

Ok thanks again for your help Optionnal i appreciate, if AC can't provide me explanations i won't hesitate to Ask SBR for help to contact a senior manager...

**dealer wins** · 12-14-16, 04:34 AM

I can confirm my limits at Pinbet88 via premium tradings are exactly half a normal pinnacle account.

**Alfa1234** · 12-14-16, 04:55 AM

Exactly 60% here, but always have been. They weren't lowered this week.
Edit: math wrong, it's Pinnacleports /1.4 = Pinnbet

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by dealer wins

I can confirm my limits at Pinbet88 via premium tradings are exactly half a normal pinnacle account.

Why do they restrict customers who use agents???

**djofed** · 12-14-16, 05:06 AM

I have a PinnacleSports account (via asianconnect) and i can bet nearly 800€ on Philippin basketball markets. It seems your account has been limited tristan.

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by djofed

I have a PinnacleSports account (via asianconnect) and i can bet nearly 800€ on Philippin basketball markets. It seems your account has been limited tristan.

800 euros on every market??Could you take a precise market so that we compare right now please? At the moment my limit for Meralco hcp +3 is exactly 384 euros odd 1.98 . What's yours??

**Alfa1234** · 12-14-16, 05:15 AM

Mine Meralco +3 @ 2.05 is 752.64 on Pinnbet and 1053.7 on Pinnaclesports.

Edit: I'm messing this up...because for some reason I'm not allowed to post pinbet88 without the 88...

**djofed** · 12-14-16, 05:23 AM

My account with Pinbet88: for example, Alaska -3,5 odds 1.869 I can bet 866.10€.

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Alfa1234

Mine Meralco +3 @ 2.05 is 752.64 on Pinnbet and 1053.7 on Pinnaclesports.

Edit: I'm messing this up...because for some reason I'm not allowed to post pinbet88 without the 88...

My Pinbet88 limit on Meralco +3 is 376.32 when yours is 752.64....I believed Pinnacle/PinnacleSports was supposed not to apply peronnal restrictions??!!

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by djofed

My account with Pinbet88: for example, Alaska -3,5 odds 1.869 I can bet 866.10€.

I can bet half of this amount. I had the same limits as you some days ago, but they were divided by 2 now

**Optional** · 12-14-16, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by tristan

I can bet half of this amount. I had the same limits as you some days ago, but they were divided by 2 now

Now go to AC88 and tell them you have confirmed with another user that this market limit is half of theirs and see what they can do.

You can rebet no problem I assume?

**Alfa1234** · 12-14-16, 05:34 AM

Rebetting would probably be at a lower odd.

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Now go to AC88 and tell them you have confirmed with another user that this market limit is half of theirs and see what they can do.

You can rebet no problem I assume?

Yes Optional i can rebet no problem, but after my first bet the odd is much less interesting of course...

**djofed** · 12-14-16, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by tristan

My Pinbet88 limit on Meralco +3 is 376.32 when yours is 752.64....I believed Pinnacle/PinnacleSports was supposed not to apply peronnal restrictions??!!

Pinnacle can apply restrictions on certain accounts just like other books but they do it more discreetly. It's more vicious ...

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by djofed

Pinnacle can apply restrictions on certain accounts just like other books but they do it more discreetly. It's more vicious ...

Well "more discretly" it depends...lol. I can guarantee you that when you regularly can bet 800 euros on some markets, and suddenly your max wager becomes less than 400, that is not very discret...lol

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I think you are better to email. A first level live chat CS operator probably cant do much other than ask someone else.

Honestly I was sceptical about the other report too. And wasn't 100% convinced any issue needed to be fixed for him. But you saying the same thing this week does add more credence to that report. Let's not assume until we find out though. AC88 is very responsive usually and if you can't get this explained/fixed yourself SBR can contact a senior manager in there for you if needed.

I meant another direct Pinny account holder who moves BB lines to compare to btw. Not if you are sharp or not.

The only answer i've just got from AC by email is "I would like to inform you that we are still waiting for our upline's feedback.

We will inform you as soon as possible.". When you told me SBR could contact a senior manager if needed Optional, did you mean a manager from AC or from Pinbet88? In any case, if you have the possibility to contact someone who could make the issue be fixed sooner, i would appreciate Optional. I fear i will have to bet with these miserable limits for a while again, which is totally unfair and in contradiction with Pinnacle policy. Inform me of what SBR can do please.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 12-14-16, 07:45 AM

Hard to see how they apply limits to bethubs, where a particular account is used by hundreds of different punters.

Can't check that line above at my agent as they're only soccer, but West Ham tonight are max 8823gbp ($11k US$) on the moneyline for PinnacleSports. How about you guys with direct pinbet88 accounts?

Edit: currency conversion screwup

**dealer wins** · 12-14-16, 08:10 AM

West ham limit £9356 on my agent acc, and $23734 on a normal Pinnacle account.

**Alfa1234** · 12-14-16, 08:22 AM

On Mollybet, limits are even lower for Pinnacle bets. Only about 35% from the "normal" limits.

This is probably simply a way to manage their risk exposure as Mollybet users are likely to be more sharp than agent accounts which are in turn most likely sharper than "regular" accounts.

Their risk/profit goes up if a sharp player can make max bets at a lower limit.

There is always the Skype betting platform from your agent, which should have higher limits.

**dealer wins** · 12-14-16, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Alfa1234

This is probably simply a way to manage their risk exposure as Mollybet users are likely to be more sharp than agent accounts which are in turn most likely sharper than "regular" accounts.

Thats not how pinnacle works though, for them its all about getting max volume, their liine is sharp on both sides always!

**Optional** · 12-14-16, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by tristan

The only answer i've just got from AC by email is "I would like to inform you that we are still waiting for our upline's feedback.

We will inform you as soon as possible.". When you told me SBR could contact a senior manager if needed Optional, did you mean a manager from AC or from Pinbet88? In any case, if you have the possibility to contact someone who could make the issue be fixed sooner, i would appreciate Optional. I fear i will have to bet with these miserable limits for a while again, which is totally unfair and in contradiction with Pinnacle policy. Inform me of what SBR can do please.

There's not much SBR can do if it is intentional Tristan. And 400 euro is far from the range that would be considered unfair. But even if they cut you to 5 euro bets, they do have the right. Also, Pinnacle's direct client policies do not apply as an AC88 client using the Pinbet88 website.

I meant if you cannot get any explanation we can make sure you get one from AC. Wait and see what they say and hopefully it will be the same as the last guy and they can reset this for you too.

**Alfa1234** · 12-14-16, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by dealer wins

Thats not how pinnacle works though, for them its all about getting max volume, their liine is sharp on both sides always!

Yes and no, they take a few cents on each line by constantly balancing their book and adjusting odds after every odd limit has been "filled". By lowering the limit for their sharpest players, they can take a few % more. The line only becomes sharp by adjusting the odds after every bet they take. So basically it's a way to sharpen their line quicker...hence making a tad extra.

**tristan** · 12-14-16, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Optional

There's not much SBR can do if it is intentional Tristan. And 400 euro is far from the range that would be considered unfair. But even if they cut you to 5 euro bets, they do have the right. Also, Pinnacle's direct client policies do not apply as an AC88 client using the Pinbet88 website.

I meant if you cannot get any explanation we can make sure you get one from AC. Wait and see what they say and hopefully it will be the same as the last guy and they can reset this for you too.

I really hope they may reset my limits as they did for the last guy who had signaled that "problem". Personnaly i necessarily consider that's really unfair from Pinbet88/Pinnacle, because:
-First, limits proposed for customers using agents are much smaller than "normal" customers.
-Then, My own limits are now even much lower (half) than other accounts from agents!
Many people wondered why Pinnacle had created a different plateform (Pinbet88) for customers using agents... It seems we have the answer now: Pinbet88 permits Pinnacle to control these customers better.

**dealer wins** · 12-14-16, 09:33 AM

It just means for me I will go back to UK Pinnacle when they return, and the agent will lose out!

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 12-14-16, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Alfa1234

This is probably simply a way to manage their risk exposure as Mollybet users are likely to be more sharp than agent accounts which are in turn most likely sharper than "regular" accounts.

Makes sense of a sort.

Have to wonder if it runs the risk of driving customers away though, and thus losing the benefit of their information. At least in soccer, pinnacle offer nothing unique now - there are a raft of Asian competitors, some even offering slightly lower juice as well as higher limits.