Match Fixing in UK

[allin1]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9047002/match-fixing-two-people-charged-and-one-more-arrested

I just wondered where do these match fixers place their bets... Pinny and sbobet?

hard to bet 200.000 in total on a 2nd division soccer match without raising some eyebrows

how would those bets affect the line movements and the closing lines?

when pinnacle profile customers do they have the match-fixing category besides the sharps and squares?

[OnkelChris]

Those syndicates have 1.000 sleepers and more often sitting in china or india. One call and everyone is betting a few $$. Well the total volume raises red flags anyway but this way it is much harder to detect and getting the right persons behind.

[JayZ]

They will be on some unregulated Asian market. Regulated bookmakers will in general report unusual betting patterns including high total staking levels on low level football as it is in their own interests to do so.

[onemoregoal]

Asian books.
Pinnacle and Betfair if the game is available. Also the Darknet...
If bets are taken, then lines move - why wouldnt they? Sometimes the game will be pulled if its extreme.
"Regulated" books may report unsual betting patterns - but you will still get paid, so you can still bet with mainstream books - but they will limit/ban you after payment.

[SharkAA]

No, they don't place bets on Pinny, sbobet etc. That would be a suicide. There are illegal bookmakers, where all the organized crime is going on and there are hundreds thousands of dollars at stake. I may be mistaken, but one of the scenarios can go like this: one guy can meet with a soccer player and say: 'Look, we are willing to give you 100k, but you and your teammates must fix a match for us.' And for that, he is not the only player that knows about it. In a match fixing scandal, the whole team is involved, sometimes even a referee. Besides that, they make sure, that the fixed match is not televised.

[tto827]

The organized crime groups fixing these matches are the same ones who run the illegal bookmakers. I doubt they are betting against themselves. No doubt this money is being put down at each and every book across the world.

Likely spread out amongst many books and many players.

[onemoregoal]

No, they don't place bets on Pinny, sbobet etc. That would be a suicide. There are illegal bookmakers, where all the organized crime is going on and there are hundreds thousands of dollars at stake. I may be mistaken, but one of the scenarios can go like this: one guy can meet with a soccer player and say: 'Look, we are willing to give you 100k, but you and your teammates must fix a match for us.' And for that, he is not the only player that knows about it. In a match fixing scandal, the whole team is involved, sometimes even a referee. Besides that, they make sure, that the fixed match is not televised.

Theres a lot wrong with this statement.

[SharkAA]

Theres a lot wrong with this statement.

For example what?

[onemoregoal]

No, they don't place bets on Pinny, sbobet etc. That would be a suicide. There are illegal bookmakers, where all the organized crime is going on and there are hundreds thousands of dollars at stake. I may be mistaken, but one of the scenarios can go like this: one guy can meet with a soccer player and say: 'Look, we are willing to give you 100k, but you and your teammates must fix a match for us.' And for that, he is not the only player that knows about it. In a match fixing scandal, the whole team is involved, sometimes even a referee. Besides that, they make sure, that the fixed match is not televised.

They do place bets at Pinnacle and SBO. These might not be the top dogs, or biggest bets - but bets are made. An example would be for Canadian soccer where only Pinnacle from the main books continued to offer odds. Massive line changes pre game, which suggests abnormal betting patterns......
But I agree these wont be the biggest bets - those will be at books we have never heard of which is why I mentioned the darknet.http://www.declanhill.com/blog/item/...anadian-soccer


Matches can be televised. Or a stream available. The Gold cup tournament, last two were fixed, all games televised and bets were again placed at the mainstream books.....http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/091220...mes-fixed.html
One of the biggest fixes was Argentina 4-1 Nigeria friendly, again televised and again big bets were taken at Betfair and mainstream books.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/04/fifa-argentina-match-fix_n_871345.html

It wont always be "the whole team" on the fix. Often its a few defenders, goalkeeper or referee. In the Argentina game it was the referee, he got lifetime ban I believe. (late penalty was given). In the champions league game involving Debrecen and Liverpool - it was just the goalkeeper.....

[theballsflop]

I'm from Singapore and I can assure you that besides being a major international banking centre, this sunny island is home to a ton of shady operators in the sports betting industry. Have met and drank with a couple of these operators, best leave them alone if you value your life and family.

[jjgold]

Asian underground soccer betting market is massive
Singapore has a lot of illegal gambling also

[SharkAA]

They do place bets at Pinnacle and SBO. These might not be the top dogs, or biggest bets - but bets are made. An example would be for Canadian soccer where only Pinnacle from the main books continued to offer odds. Massive line changes pre game, which suggests abnormal betting patterns......
But I agree these wont be the biggest bets - those will be at books we have never heard of which is why I mentioned the darknet.http://www.declanhill.com/blog/item/...anadian-soccer


Matches can be televised. Or a stream available. The Gold cup tournament, last two were fixed, all games televised and bets were again placed at the mainstream books.....http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/091220...mes-fixed.html
One of the biggest fixes was Argentina 4-1 Nigeria friendly, again televised and again big bets were taken at Betfair and mainstream books.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/04/fifa-argentina-match-fix_n_871345.html

It wont always be "the whole team" on the fix. Often its a few defenders, goalkeeper or referee. In the Argentina game it was the referee, he got lifetime ban I believe. (late penalty was given). In the champions league game involving Debrecen and Liverpool - it was just the goalkeeper.....

Maybe I have expressed myself a wrong way. With the televised matches I meant, that for the fixed games criminals, who run illegal books, prefer not to be televised. And no, the whole team will know about it and act appropriately, not just few players. Besides, I was talking about soccer matches in Europe, not for Canada. And it's the illegal bookmakers, where big big bucks are at stake, not Pinny or sbobet. You really think some people, who know about fixed matches will go to Pinny and say 'fyk yeah, let's make some money' with a bet of 1k on a game? I don't think so.

[onemoregoal]

I gave you examples, you just dismiss them.
Its ok, you sound young.

[SharkAA]

I gave you examples, you just dismiss them.
Its ok, you sound young.

The thread is about match fixing in the UK and not about Canadian soccer, Gold Cup or Argentina-Nigeria.
It's ok, you just got a little bit confused.

[onemoregoal]

"Besides that, they make sure, that the fixed match is not televised."
Thats what you said, then you change and say:"I expressed myself in the wrong way" lol.
I think you are the one who is confused.


Match fixing in UK will follow a similar pattern to all my examples. - its all linked to asia.

[SharkAA]

Ok then, have it your sarcastic way of dialog Over and out.

[onemoregoal]

The word you are looking for is condescending, not sarcastic, my friend

[pellumb341]

i always wonder where these mothefukers wager the albanian superleague matches...Pinny,Sbo , no bookie offer them !!! So , there must be some bookies in China/Singapore we have never heard of.

[SharkAA]

The word you are looking for is condescending, not sarcastic, my friend

If that's how you going to call it, go ahead. Btw-you really think people who know about fixed matches will log in to Pinny, place huge bets on a game and make a 'chaos'? Ok, there have been cases, like your examples, but do really think this will continue?

[onemoregoal]

As long as odds are offered and bets being taken, then yes why wouldnt it?
The biggest players wont be playing at these books, we agree on this.
But you mentioned it would be "suicide" to do so - all i am saying is it isnt and that suspicious bets are taken all the time at SBO etc.

[allin1]

all i am saying is it isnt and that suspicious bets are taken all the time at SBO etc.

big volume on 2nd divisions should always raise some eyebrows but if they are using a lot of people placing regular bets at a lot of different books then they might get away with it

[SharkAA]

As long as odds are offered and bets being taken, then yes why wouldnt it?
The biggest players wont be playing at these books, we agree on this.
But you mentioned it would be "suicide" to do so - all i am saying is it isnt and that suspicious bets are taken all the time at SBO etc.

Because bookmakers may forward the suspicious betting patterns, made by the users, to the police. And if I am not mistaken, they reserve every right for it.

[onemoregoal]

It would take too much of my time and energy to answer you properly.
In short - SBO and Pinnacle take bets on suspicious game every week, in Europe in South America, In fukking Canada... it is fact. You are arguing against fact.

[SharkAA]

It would take too much of my time and energy to answer you properly.
In short - SBO and Pinnacle take bets on suspicious game every week, in Europe in South America, In fukking Canada... it is fact. You are arguing against fact.

Not arguing, I've just stated, that bookmakers reserve every right to forward suspicious bets to the police.

[onemoregoal]

Underground books will also have their own risks.
The fact that people continue to play fixed games, means at the moment - "The juice is worth the squeeze".

[allin1]

it seems these guys are betting on props too not just final result

[RichardGeorge]

Pinnacle has never reported suspicious betting patterns.

BetFair has many times.


I've known about fixed matches in tennis... I bet the max at Heritage, Pinnacle and 5Dimes. Guess what? Nothing happened to me.

And LOL at "the whole team knowing". You really need to read a few books about fixes before you start talking about it. It really varies... sometimes its just one or two people.. very rarely does a whole team get together and agree on a fix.

As for not televised, there's been CL, Europa League, World Cup and Premier League matches fixed, not to mention hundreds of Serie A matches. Asian fixers will get people to fix in any league, in any situation, to any player, they can.

[SharkAA]

Pinnacle has never reported suspicious betting patterns.

BetFair has many times.


I've known about fixed matches in tennis... I bet the max at Heritage, Pinnacle and 5Dimes. Guess what? Nothing happened to me.

And LOL at "the whole team knowing". You really need to read a few books about fixes before you start talking about it. It really varies... sometimes its just one or two people.. very rarely does a whole team get together and agree on a fix.

As for not televised, there's been CL, Europa League, World Cup and Premier League matches fixed, not to mention hundreds of Serie A matches. Asian fixers will get people to fix in any league, in any situation, to any player, they can.

I am pretty sure I've read more than you did. Yes, sometimes it's just 1 or 2 players (rigging) and sometimes whole team knows about it (match fixing). Just 1 example: http://sportsport.ba/ino_fudbal/loko...takmicu/105597

A title says: 'Lokomotiva and Dinamo fixed the match'

[theballsflop]

What many people here might not know is that there are 2 major credit books in Asia, IBCbet and SBObet (yes they have agents who offer credit accounts). These books offer many exotic soccer league markets, and you'll be shocked at the trading volume on these markets among Asian degenerates. Some of the more heavily traded markets such as the ones mentioned in the reports as well as Singapore's own soccer league, the Malaysian league and Indonesian league are heavily 'influenced' by men of power.

All this leads back to the 2 books mentioned. When they have a particularly heavy boat on a certain side in a league that is prone to manipulation, they go through the process to fix the match so as to guarantee a hefty profit.

[allin1]

Pinnacle has never reported suspicious betting patterns.

BetFair has many times.

I've known about fixed matches in tennis... I bet the max at Heritage, Pinnacle and 5Dimes. Guess what? Nothing happened to me.

As for not televised, there's been CL, Europa League, World Cup and Premier League matches fixed, not to mention hundreds of Serie A matches. Asian fixers will get people to fix in any league, in any situation, to any player, they can.

I was suspecting all of it, but the idea still shocks me.

[jjgold]

But if you go to SBOBET max wagers are like $500 on smaller soccer leagues..meaning post up accounts

Is it different for credit accounts??

[theballsflop]

But if you go to SBOBET max wagers are like $500 on smaller soccer leagues..meaning post up accounts

Is it different for credit accounts??

SBObet and IBCbet do not hold any risk or liability on these credit accounts and what is wagered on these accounts. Credit accounts are settled with external agents and in turn their master agents, all under a few major underground betting organisation's umbrella. The limits are set by the agents in accordance with how big a whale the punter is and his perceived ability to pay off losses. I've seen accounts where limits are set at $50,000. Interesting point to note is that the currency in these accounts are always in HKD, but is usually settled in local currency, for example a Singapore punter with a Singapore agent will be dealing in SGD regardless of the HKD currency indicated on the account. Placing a HKD 1,000 bet will in effect be placing a SGD 1,000 bet.

I believe that SBO and IBC receives commission from the organisations based on the number of accounts opened by the agents as well as the volume wagered on these accounts.

[noyb]

don't want to burst your bubble, but the practice of showing an account in one currency and settling in another, is the primary warning sign of a scam agent who is never going to pay your bets if you win consistently. the notion of any agent offering known fixers enormous limits on exotic leagues is ridiculous; someone actually has to pay these bets. it's exactly why fixing is spreading, the leagues that used to be fixed have become so corrupted it's impossible to get a decent bet on, hence the attempts to fix games in "honourable" leagues.

[jjgold]

That currency thing is strange

Why would they use two for an account??

[theballsflop]

don't want to burst your bubble, but the practice of showing an account in one currency and settling in another, is the primary warning sign of a scam agent who is never going to pay your bets if you win consistently. the notion of any agent offering known fixers enormous limits on exotic leagues is ridiculous; someone actually has to pay these bets. it's exactly why fixing is spreading, the leagues that used to be fixed have become so corrupted it's impossible to get a decent bet on, hence the attempts to fix games in "honourable" leagues.

The agents are working for the organisations that are linked to these match fixing. They attract big-time punters and fade their bets just like how a book will fade your action, normally these punters are not sharps but are very rich businessmen as well as underground figures (drug dealers, pimps etc.). So yes, the variance is huge and the runners aka the small-timers working on the ground setting up these accounts will not be able to sustain the swings in the long run if they choose to 'fight' the punters' action, but they can actually choose not to. Start of the week every Monday, they have a short meeting with their higher-ups and decide on how many % of the action they want to fade. Most master agents aka the higher-ups establish a mandatory 30% rule i.e the agents on the ground have to give a minimum of 30% of the action to the bosses. But this % is known to vary from master agent to master agent. But end of the day, as gamblers we are well aware that the house always wins, whether through vig or long-term edge, and unless you are a sharp you will not be able to consistently win. The majority of credit punters are not sharps, trust me.

I believe that the HKD indicated in the accounts is a result of the organisation being based in HK but that's just my guess. To be honest, it's a notional symbol, everyone in Singapore who bets on these accounts know that everything is settled in SGD. Never been an issue tbh.