Player vs. BetEd Opinion ($6881 confiscation)

[robmpink]

The so-called issues that they are referring to, which I admitted do state so in their T&C's. I did deposit using my parents account, which clearly I have access to and have supported documentation to back it. Number 2 for multiple accounts sake, the accounts before were not in my actual name. There are people out there that do gamble in this world besides myself. My father is a big casino type gambler, my significant other has her fair share of casino play and from time to time sportsbook. Those accounts weren't in my name, just have relevant information that pertain to same IP addresses. Me and my significant other obviously live together, and my father was introduced to some online play through me. So, there you have that. Bottom line revolves around the fact those accounts for one never had any ....any money deposited. I asked them specifically and they said no. Also, with my account, I created there was no relevant or any action going on at ALL with the other accounts created by the two others mentioned. So, that itself is completely out of the picture for fraud intentions, end of story.
Lastly, history of fraud is a lie. Thats something BetEd is using to support their decision to the viewers to make their case seem stronger. That's completely and utterly ridiculous for money put forth and won on my behalf. Those 3 statements from them don't hold water in real life once the proper investigation is put forth$ and common sense is derived.

It isn't your checking account. You aren't on it. That is the bottom line addressed in the rules. You have the upper hand when doing so since if you lose, you could play dumb if your parents asked if you made the deposit. They then can have the charge dropped by the bank since they didn't make it. If you win, you confess to your parents what you did, take your lumps w/ them, then collect the winnings. Of course they will say you had approval when you win 6k or whatever.

Actually on the flip side the book has the same upper hand. You lose, so be it. You win but too bad so sad it isn't your checking account. Read the rules.

[cbhoemrbry]

Rob, get a clue son. Bottomline is I'm a grown man. No need to sneak around and do some crooked shit as far as making a deposit using their account without their consent. Yeah, if you lose and get your parents to say the charge wasn't authorized. That's completely dishonest and sorry I'm not that guy. Sounds like you've had that up your sleeve a time or two.The same scenario with an e-check can happen with a debit/credit card charge.If the damn thing was for fraudulent b/s activity doesn't common sense tell you $50 isn't the answer. It boils down to one simple note. $50 was turned into almost 7k. So, why would they not scream a foul and opt not to pay??? It's simple for them on their end, but honest people read into matters a bit more fairly.

[robmpink]

Rob, get a clue son. Bottomline is I'm a grown man. No need to sneak around and do some crooked shit as far as making a deposit using their account without their consent. Yeah, if you lose and get your parents to say the charge wasn't authorized. That's completely dishonest and sorry I'm not that guy. Sounds like you've had that up your sleeve a time or two.The same scenario with an e-check can happen with a debit/credit card charge.If the damn thing was for fraudulent b/s activity doesn't common sense tell you $50 isn't the answer. It boils down to one simple note. $50 was turned into almost 7k. So, why would they not scream a foul and opt not to pay??? It's simple for them on their end, but honest people read into matters a bit more fairly.

Grown man who uses da da's checking account. Simple note, must be your account that you used to deposit. Case closed, no hope. Grown man, next time use your own account. Most likely you will never go on a run like that again. I guess it was the one that got away, son.

Take your dad's debit card to the mall and try to use it. If they follow procedure they won't allow the charge. That is unless you and your dad share the same name and you deceived them. Sorry grown man you won't see a dime. Live with it.

[cbhoemrbry]

This place is suppose to be for positive supporters and insight. Negative posters, Captain Obvious ,is not needed.Everyone is fully aware of the principles. Basis is that their practice is unethical and unfair.

[cbhoemrbry]

You might think the case is closed, but hope is still there when you pound the matter of the truth at them. They don't think its right to pay, but future business will only hope 7k scam artist(BETED)was worth hundreds of K's lost in the end.

[cbhoemrbry]

Yeah Chump, Grown men aren't perfect. BetEd is crooked and scam artists so you live with the fact of backing shitty people like them. I'm communicating with the respected people from here on a one on one basis. Cases such as this take time even though the ruling has been stated to PAY ME IN FULL chump. It may take days, months, and sometimes they say longer. So why don't you grow a pair when you spoke up once. Then try to take back your claims b/c your were intimidated by the rulings or something. Face the truth they got their asses handed to them. Whether its my only run or not. It happened with me winning fair and square. I enjoyed the hell out of it, and will even more once they are reprimanded and served papers from my lawyer. Whether money shows up at my door step or not, them losing tons of business, their reputation, and keeping people like you at their beckon.....I'll love every minute of it.

[tomcowley]

It's really irrelevant for freeroll purposes whose name is on the account. The name on the account can go to the bank and say my dad/wife/son/dog did it, and the bank is hardly going to call beted up and see that the names matched, and even if they somehow did, the name can just lie about that too. The rule and the procedures in place protect them from absolutely nothing, except having to pay people who were putting their money at risk.

[robmpink]

Yeah Chump, Grown men aren't perfect. BetEd is crooked and scam artists so you live with the fact of backing shitty people like them. I'm communicating with the respected people from here on a one on one basis. Cases such as this take time even though the ruling has been stated to PAY ME IN FULL chump. It may take days, months, and sometimes they say longer. So why don't you grow a pair when you spoke up once. Then try to take back your claims b/c your were intimidated by the rulings or something. Face the truth they got their asses handed to them. Whether its my only run or not. It happened with me winning fair and square. I enjoyed the hell out of it, and will even more once they are reprimanded and served papers from my lawyer. Whether money shows up at my door step or not, them losing tons of business, their reputation, and keeping people like you at their beckon.....I'll love every minute of it.

Did I strike a nerve? Do you think everyone here is a fluff guy? Hey everyone write Bet Ed. Are you a clown? You won't get paid. You seem someone well spoken. I guess you have a brain. Didn't you think you would encounter a problem? Geez, you could have had your parents add you to the checking account, get a new set of checks w/ your name included and sent it. Buddy I feel for you even though I think you are a scammer and tool. I'm sure it sucks winning that much and all the while wondering if you will have a problem. Most likely you thought it would work out but that isn't the case. Spend money on a lawyer. At the end maybe you will feel humbled at your defeat. I don't like Bet Ed and I sure as hell don't like you.

[cbhoemrbry]

Didn't ask for you to buy into me. I could careless who the hell you are and if you even like me. I'm far from a scammer and anyone who engages in fraud acts. If anyone on this forum represents a "toolshed ted", it would be your gutless ass for backing against a wall when you post was brought to attention. Yeah anyone in their right state of mind would hate the fact to earn money, and see some cocks screw you around on it when it comes to paying out. To answer you crooked thoughts to go and add me to my parents account was simply not worthy. Yeah it might of been a easy fix, but rightfully thinking I figured BetEd would have done a better honest job of looking at the matter with more dignity. No need to spend money on a lawyer when I don't have to, his philosophy is when he wins, depending on matters and procedures and the amount pursued; then numbers will speak for itself. Here in the south shithook, it's called the Good Ol' Boy system. As far as I'm concerned don't respond to my posts, don't need the nonsense lip from some cock.

[robmpink]

Didn't ask for you to buy into me. I could careless who the hell you are and if you even like me. I'm far from a scammer and anyone who engages in fraud acts. If anyone on this forum represents a "toolshed ted", it would be your gutless ass for backing against a wall when you post was brought to attention. Yeah anyone in their right state of mind would hate the fact to earn money, and see some cocks screw you around on it when it comes to paying out. To answer you crooked thoughts to go and add me to my parents account was simply not worthy. Yeah it might of been a easy fix, but rightfully thinking I figured BetEd would have done a better honest job of looking at the matter with more dignity. No need to spend money on a lawyer when I don't have to, his philosophy is when he wins, depending on matters and procedures and the amount pursued; then numbers will speak for itself. Here in the south shithook, it's called the Good Ol' Boy system. As far as I'm concerned don't respond to my posts, don't need the nonsense lip from some cock.

First off buddy, I'm most likely the one who turned your case around from SBRs initial decision. You want to be a tool, fine. I actually tried to have my now wife get bank statements showing the deposits and bank wire withdrawl. Oh, too bad buddy boy. The bank can't provide them. You know what? I don't know if indeed I used my girlfriends (now wife's) account then. Maybe that was at nine.com or another book. I most likely used my account at Bet Ed. Yeah, that is what I stand by now. It was sooooooo long ago. I guess they do indeed enforce their rules. No one else said they used someone elses account. I guess you could label me a liar or a muckraker. Bottom line is I really don't think I used someone elses account now. I guess I misremembered.


My deepest apologies to Bet Ed if I made unfounded accusations. I just misremembered like Andy Petite. Yes, now I know. It was nine.com. I'm 100% certain now. I'm sure BEt Ed could verify it was my banking but I ask they not since it as my account info and I don't want it released.

[cbhoemrbry]

Ha, you're really showing you ass now tough guy. Oh, so now you "misremembered". Well, we're quite certain as you think you were the hero is in this case, there's plenty others out there that have had the same issues happen to them. No one has ever pursued it b/c they were being honest bettors and weren't trying to scam a book like they do us.If they lost, they take their losses like a big BOY would do. Cases as such raises questions when its to this degree in winnings. So, they pulled the b/s card against me on mismatched names. I've proven full access to the account, transaction id of the cleared check from the account, and said I even have direct deposits that go into that account. So, what makes it rightfully certain they have the upperhand. Its a clause in their T&C's that BENEFIT them to freeROLL players. Go ahead and be that TOOL GUY who apologizes to crooks. Sounds like you must be working for them.LOL. They paying you on the side for now renigging and claiming you lied to everyone on SBR. Don't post in a thread unless you know what you're saying and know it's facts.....not trying to just fit in.

[Santo]

This place is suppose to be for positive supporters and insight. Negative posters, Captain Obvious ,is not needed.Everyone is fully aware of the principles. Basis is that their practice is unethical and unfair.

People have always been free to give their opinions here, be they for or against a player in a dispute. That policy hasn't changed as far as I know.

Posting to keep this in the public eye is understandable, and may help. What you're doing at the moment, slowly turning those who have supported you against you, isn't likely to increase your chances to get paid.

[robmpink]

Ha, you're really showing you ass now tough guy. Oh, so now you "misremembered". Well, we're quite certain as you think you were the hero is in this case, there's plenty others out there that have had the same issues happen to them. No one has ever pursued it b/c they were being honest bettors and weren't trying to scam a book like they do us.If they lost, they take their losses like a big BOY would do. Cases as such raises questions when its to this degree in winnings. So, they pulled the b/s card against me on mismatched names. I proven full access to the account, transaction id of the cleard check from the account, and said I even have direct deposits that go into that account. So, what makes it rightfully certain they have the upperhand. Its a clause in their T&C's they BENEFIT them to freeROLL players. Go ahead and be that TOOL GUY who apologizes to crooks. Sounds like me you must be working for them.LOL. They paying you on the side for now renigging and claiming you lied to everyone on SBR. Don't post in a thread unless you know what you're saying and know it's facts.....not trying to just fit in.

Sorry, it is the facts guy. It was nine.com. You can't blame me for the confusion. Bet Ed/Nine. They sound alike. Sorry, I missed the part where others came forward. Funny, you still have hope. Keep plugging away. Hey, my advice to you is to im a chap named wagerwebsucks. He could mentor you on his campaign of fighting the nasty dirty books.

Once again, I feel terrible that I may have caused BetEd unwanted and unjustified attention. Maybe I was just trying to, "Fit in" w/ the sbr crowd. I don't know. But what I do know is BetEd wasn't the book. I guess they do enforce their rules.

cbhoemrbry, I'm pulling for you buddy. Don't worry, everything will be alright child. Everything will be alright.

[cbhoemrbry]

Santo, I agree everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions. Robm made a comment about the 3 policies discussed in my case, and recommended the 3 strikes. So, I opened up and spoke my two cents about each policy and how each one was justiifiable. He then began to pop off so I disagreed on some things. It escalated from there with him now claiming fame to not have deposited with BetEd. Anyhow, I'm not steering supporters away, some just need clarification on where I stand. I'm a positive person and keep a positive outlook ahead of me.

[fiveteamer]

cbhoemrbry might make it if he gets his money.

[reno cool]

Ed is wrong, no need for us to beat up the player because he was a bit lax in following proper procedure. He probably rarely cashes out and of course couldn't expect to go on such an amazing run. This is the kind of player that is Ed's bread and butter the fact that they would want to stiff such a player is an outrage and shows that Ed is run by very weak, simple minded bush leaguers.

[purecarnagge]

The so-called issues that they are referring to, which I admitted do state so in their T&C's. I did deposit using my parents account, which clearly I have access to and have supported documentation to back it. Number 2 for multiple accounts sake, the accounts before were not in my actual name. There are people out there that do gamble in this world besides myself. My father is a big casino type gambler, my significant other has her fair share of casino play and from time to time sportsbook. Those accounts weren't in my name, just have relevant information that pertain to same IP addresses. Me and my significant other obviously live together, and my father was introduced to some online play through me. So, there you have that. Bottom line revolves around the fact those accounts for one never had any ....any money deposited. I asked them specifically and they said no. Also, with my account, I created there was no relevant or any action going on at ALL with the other accounts created by the two others mentioned. So, that itself is completely out of the picture for fraud intentions, end of story.
Lastly, history of fraud is a lie. Thats something BetEd is using to support their decision to the viewers to make their case seem stronger. That's completely and utterly ridiculous for money put forth and won on my behalf. Those 3 statements from them don't hold water in real life once the proper investigation is put forth$ and common sense is derived.

Your doing yourself no favors. They have proof of fraud collection attempts.

They also have proof of multiple accounts per IP

We do not differentiate between a bounced e-check and a 3rd-party e-check deposit. Both are summarily rejected and transactions reversed to the point of deposit. The reasons for this are many, but the most important ones being:

1. Third party deposits are a major conduit of ACH fraud;
2. Third party transactions are not accepted by our processor

This is reflected both in our terms and conditions, and on our deposit forms, which clearly state that one's own personal checking account must be used.

We do not bury these rules. The rules and consequences are clear, and there is no question that the rules were broken in this case. We do not engage in selective application of our terms and conditions, whether to our benefit or the player's.

Of the 3 issues raised by Justin, issue #2 really is the crux of the matter. The other issues -- the fact that the player is in collections for previous gambling fraud, and has a admitted history of opening multiple accounts with us -- simply supports our position that accepting 3rd-party ACH deposits is dangerous, and may attract fraudulent depositors.

David Jackson
betED Security Manager

Also, if this was a numerous problem they would be having tons of issues with this. While I feel there should have been a settlement, the book obviously feels they have enough ground to be worthy of standing on. Since echeck's are deposited/returned etc etc all the time. I'm going to give the book the benefit of the doubt. There would be more complaints against them if they were that bad.

- deposited in someone elses name
- multiple accounts per IP (only 1 funded, but still multiple accounts)
- History of attempted fraud collection (even if this is wrong the 2 above facts support attempted fraud).

As a business I would really have a hard time paying you full value. Its that simple. While I really do believe there should be payout. I feel if you book the bet you need to honor it.

All in all I think this verification needs to take place before funds are deposited into a sportsbook account, but that is not my decision to make.

I still think Beted should be downgraded to a C or C-.

[trixtrix]

see, this is what i mean when i told you to zip it... you think you're just letting anger out but in fact you're doing yourself a far more grave disservice

[fiveteamer]

[tomcowley]

hSBR said they couldn't provide any proof that the player was in collections for gambling fraud, so I'm going to believe that they couldn't provide any proof. Duplicate never-funded accounts is so remotely not fraudulent that it isn't even funny. Their policy protects them from nothing. Once the funds clear, whatever recourse is available to a 3rd party depositor willing to lie is also available to a 1st party depositor willing to lie. Their perceived risk is statistical, not absolute, and their policy doesn't remove any specific risk.

It's basically the equivalent of having a policy "Because players from Romania are often scammers, we don't accept players from Romania" and then letting a player from Romania sign up, deposit, and enforcing the policy if and only if he wins- they're happy to keep his money if he loses, but they won't let him win "to protect themselves from fraud". If they cared one iota about stopping these deposits, they'd verify up front, but they don't. They only care when one of those deposits could cost them money. It's the dictionary definition of freeroll.

[robmpink]

Santo, I agree everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions. Robm made a comment about the 3 policies discussed in my case, and recommended the 3 strikes. So, I opened up and spoke my two cents about each policy and how each one was justiifiable. He then began to pop off so I disagreed on some things. It escalated from there with him now claiming fame to not have deposited with BetEd. Anyhow, I'm not steering supporters away, some just need clarification on where I stand. I'm a positive person and keep a positive outlook ahead of me.

Just to clarify I did deposit with Bet Ed, but I used my own checking account. I'm in the spotlight now! Yesiree Nelly! Hot dog! My 10 minutes of fame could never be better!

Hey, positive pete, you will overcome this because You're Good Enough, You're Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like You!

[Dark Horse]

If Beted is so worried about being ripped off for $50, why don't they just take that out of the amount the player is owed?

[betpartners]

I think you are going to find it very hard to get paid here simply because the rules were broken.

Yes Beted do not come out of this smelling of roses and the same old chesnut raises its ugly head, would losers be refunded etc but as usual the sportsbooks do have a get out clause as clearly stated in their rules.

It is and always will be the repsonibility of the bettor to understand the terms and conditions and while most dont read them you will only ahve yourself to blame if you dont and fall foul of them.

The solution here is for BetEd to offer some sort of gratuity payment as a PR exercise but only a small percentage of what was "won"

Like i say BetEd dont come out of thsi too great but rules are rules however they are balanced in the sportsbook favour.

[Robust]

nope!

all or nothing..

pay up or go outta business.. simple!

Robust

[betpartners]

nope!

all or nothing..

pay up or go outta business.. simple!

Robust

And while your at it, scrap your rules or get out of business, in fact while your at it post a big notice on your website stating "our rules mean nothing, abuse us at your will"

[Robust]

And while your at it, scrap your rules or get out of business, in fact while your at it post a big notice on your website stating "our rules mean nothing, abuse us at your will"

Robust

[betpartners]

Mucho gracias

[Robust]

Mucho gracias

you seem smart enough to read and understand the judgement made by the staff here at sbr. While you might be trolling for replies such as mine to prove a distorted point in your favor.. i have no stake in this claim and using my resposes for such will further expose you..

good day.. y MUCHAS gracias..

Robust

[betpartners]

Not at all, i am in Europe its 9.15am and i am new here and thought i would make a few posts that interest me, no trolling here.

I have in fact read everything and i did state clearly that BetEd do not come out of this smelling like roses and i also have no stake in this whatsoever.

But i do have a different opinion to you, sorry to say

The rules were not observed, it is very hard to get away from that fact and that is why i suggested a gratuity payment.

Your responses in fact promted my response after my initial opinion.

Lets just agree to disagree, dont want to start my time off here in heated debates

[Robust]

Not at all, i am in Europe its 9.15am and i am new here and thought i would make a few posts that interest me, no trolling here.

I have in fact read everything and i did state clearly that BetEd do not come out of this smelling like roses and i also have no stake in this whatsoever.

But i do have a different opinion to you, sorry to say

The rules were not observed, it is very hard to get away from that fact and that is why i suggested a gratuity payment.

Your responses in fact promted my response after my initial opinion.

Lets just agree to disagree, dont want to start my time off here in heated debates

alright.. but i lub dem debates.. will overlook the fact that in your response, you state the companies position yet again but don't wanna say anything else..

it is time for me to leave this thread as well.. i said my peace..

if you are a genuine new poster eager to browse and bet a bit, i wish you good luck!

Robust

[betpartners]

Thank you for you response and if your wishes are genuine i appreciate them.

9.30 am now

[Robust]

Thank you for you response and if your wishes are genuine i appreciate them.

9.30 am now

they are

take Alt/LAL Under 213.5 and Houston -6 in a 2-picker.. the safer plays are individually.. but i like the parlays and I am on it

good luck!

Robust

[betpartners]

Now you lost me

When i bet its in Europe in decimals and on football, oops soccer for the uneducated cousins

Parlays? ALT/LA?

Try Kiderminster V Cambridge over 2.5 @ 2.22

I think we are drifting of topic.

[tomcowley]

I'm going to make a sportsbook, then once it's going well, put in a provision that anybody who wagers on anything is subject to forfeiture of 99% of their balance and then is charged a $100 account administration fee. Nothing wrong with that, players should have read the rules.

[betpartners]

Dont forget to put in a clause that says you can use anyone else's credit/debit card and that you will still accept the funds.

Little bit of difference no?