[jimmy242]

I am sorry to everyone on SBR if i have misled you to believe betonline was scamming me i was just frustrated that they decided to close my account and confiscate my money but i did indeed participate in chip dumping and was in violation of the rules and have lied about it in multiple forums i am truly sorry for all this i just wanted my money and i am sorry for making betonline look bad as a result of my lie i want to make it clear that betonline wasnt at fault and it was me who was wrong

sorry


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BetOnline is a scam book stay away
they confiscated my funds 3900.00 worth and they closed my account took my funds and will not pay me. they are accusing me of fradulent activity when i didnt do anything i deposited 100 in there book played poker and won almost 5000 lost some back betting on sports and ask to withdraw 2500 and 800 and a day later they sent me an email

Hi Jimmy I am very sorry but the behavior detected is very obvious. This behavior is considered serious fraudulent activity. It is reason enough to close your account permanently and confiscate all funds. Best regards, Daniel M, The Payment Team


this book is fraud i shouldnt have deposit to play poker on thier site i been playing poker on full tilt since 2006 and never have i encouter a problem like i have at this book what a scam i need help getting my funds
please help if anyone can

[jimmy242]

Hello Jimmy While reviewing your payment, we noticed an unusual play pattern related to username B120574. This pattern involves the funds transferring from his account to your account through the hands played, this is consider a serious fraudulent activity reason enough to close your account. May you please explain this situation? Please be aware that we keep records for all the hands involved. Best regards, Tila, The Payment Team

[jimmy242]

I do not know a user B120574 nor do i know anyone that play on this site this is my first time playing on your site i use to play on full tilt since 2006 and have good standing with them and i never would do anything fraudulent nor will i ever do it on any site i just want to find a site where i can play poker bet on sports and be able to deposit and withdraw safely and quickly. So to answer your question again i do not know any player on your site and just with to make my withdraw and continue playing and hopefully Betonline will be my new poker home thanks Jimmy Pham

[jimmy242]

they are basically accusing me of chipping dumping with another player but i wasnt i dont even know the guy he was just a donkey player that lost to me i was accused once before on full tilt but after i sent them an explanation email they release my funds but with this site BetOnline they just want to find any excuse not to pay once you ask for a payout

[WVU]

jimmy I went to bat for you in another thread, but LOU says you and the other guy share the same physical address. Is that true?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...es-3900-a.html

[ShippingIt]

Why is op claiming he was banned here after 5 posts and a sbr complaint? Claims Lou won't respond to him, Lou says op won't respond. What's the real story here? What was the reason for the banning? Is he banned? Poor sob is asking covers for help!

[Lo$t]

as I told Lou, dumb scammers give us legit scammers a bad name

[MBENZ]

Dumb scammers,legit scammers are one in the same.They cost the ones of us that play by the rules.

[TheMoneyShot]

[SBR Lou]

Why is op claiming he was banned here after 5 posts and a sbr complaint? Claims Lou won't respond to him, Lou says op won't respond. What's the real story here? What was the reason for the banning? Is he banned? Poor sob is asking covers for help!

He actually made the Covers post before SBR's post.

1. He's not banned.
2. He returned my email this morning confessing to the multiple accounting.

We're not sure what the objective was as he claims no bonuses were involved, but three accounts from his household were created according to BetOnline's evidence. We've informed BetOnline of his confession, as he denied wrongdoing initially in his emails and forum posts. We'll see what the next step is.

I am sharing the same ip address he was playing against me with no bonus money we do live in same place and i was lying when i said i didnt know him but i was not cheating we were playing for real money for each others money i didnt beat him for any bonus money i just want what is rightfully my money. i just want my money if possible in no way way i trying to scam betonline i just want my money which is about 3900.00

[tomcowley]

How were deposits made, how much to each acct, and were there any other play/winnings before this mess?

[RudyRuetigger]

important questions:

how many hands did he play

how many hands were played against this guy heads up

how many hands were played with other people at the table

and answer the money won in each scenario above.


looks like collusion to me

[Justin7]

If there were no bonuses, the next issue is: was there a ********** risk?

If there was no risk of ********** (or other complication such as moneybooker fraud), the accounts might be closed, but the balances should probably be honored.

[katstale]

If there were no bonuses, the next issue is: was there a ********** risk?

If there was no risk of ********** (or other complication such as moneybooker fraud), the accounts might be closed, but the balances should probably be honored.

Only money put at risk initially should be returned. No money won from other players who didn't live in his house should be returned. those players should be made whole.

[Bill Dozer]

BetOnline will likely have to back out the money to where it originated. If these two guys only deposited and played so one could pay the other on a debt, maybe it can just be reversed. They will likely be banned and have to pay the deposit and withdrawal fees which is fair. The book isn't their free paypal.

[tomcowley]

Why was this described in the other thread as an inept attempt at a scam if nothing has been done (yet) to scam BoL (or possibly other players at their table) out of money? There's no bonus involved, and the dumper hasn't tried to ********** anything yet? Where's the scam?

[faststeady]

moving money from a non existent friend to himself is the obv answer

[eberetta1]

Four posts and you want someone to help you out of a jam. Gosh, did you buy the insurance after the accident? That must get real annoying defending people of over $3000 when they are not even a member for what 3 days???

[BigFish]

Why was this described in the other thread as an inept attempt at a scam if nothing has been done (yet) to scam BoL (or possibly other players at their table) out of money? There's no bonus involved, and the dumper hasn't tried to ********** anything yet? Where's the scam?

Two guys playing poker online at the same table, from the same physical address. Maybe BOL believes they were colluding, and thereby scamming the other players at the table? Just a thought.

[jeter12171]

collusion not a doubt

[SBR Lou]

Two guys playing poker online at the same table, from the same physical address. Maybe BOL believes they were colluding, and thereby scamming the other players at the table? Just a thought.

Don't mind Tom -- he's pretty much the public defender anytime fraud, multiple accounting or bonus abuse is alleged.

Something I feel is worth keeping in mind:

1. In addition to the accounts that shared the same physical and IP address, an additional account lost all of their funds to Jimmy.
2. After the sportsbook questioned Jimmy, he acted outraged and completely denied everything.
3. After denying that he did anything wrong, he immediately went to Covers then SBR saying he was scammed.
4. After SBR told him that there was actually proof that there was at least multiple accounting, he admitted that he lied.

Management has reason to suspect the collusion involved more than the players who happened to be obviously caught. We're hoping that can be cleanly documented tomorrow to satisfy even the most skeptical of the anti evil empire/sportsbook camp. =)

Once we know more about the total # of bonuses and players involved, we'll have an idea what the next step is.

[durito]

Don't mind Tom -- he's pretty much the public defender anytime fraud, multiple accounting or bonus abuse is alleged.

You are a real piece of work lou.

[jackkkk2009]

Why poker room doesn't allow two people who are friend to play on a same table? Because is online poker?

[ShippingIt]

Four posts and you want someone to help you out of a jam. Gosh, did you buy the insurance after the accident? That must get real annoying defending people of over $3000 when they are not even a member for what 3 days???

I've just been a lurking around these threads for awhile but why would this matter? A lot of people find sbr after a dispute, are you saying length of sbr membership leaves you exposed to books taking advantage of you? (In general not relating directly to this thread?)

[WVU]

He actually made the Covers post before SBR's post.

1. He's not banned.
2. He returned my email this morning confessing to the multiple accounting.

We're not sure what the objective was as he claims no bonuses were involved, but three accounts from his household were created according to BetOnline's evidence. We've informed BetOnline of his confession, as he denied wrongdoing initially in his emails and forum posts. We'll see what the next step is.

If he is not banned why can he not make posts? How about being upfront on this guy's status here at SBR?

[tomcowley]

Don't mind Tom -- he's pretty much the public defender anytime fraud, multiple accounting or bonus abuse is alleged.

Do you even bother to read my posts? You know, where I explicitly stated in post 16 that what the poster said, colluding to beat other players at the same table, was a legitimate concern? Nah...

Something I feel is worth keeping in mind:

1. In addition to the accounts that shared the same physical and IP address, an additional account lost all of their funds to Jimmy.
2. After the sportsbook questioned Jimmy, he acted outraged and completely denied everything.
3. After denying that he did anything wrong, he immediately went to Covers then SBR saying he was scammed.
4. After SBR told him that there was actually proof that there was at least multiple accounting, he admitted that he lied.

Management has reason to suspect the collusion involved more than the players who happened to be obviously caught. We're hoping that can be cleanly documented tomorrow to satisfy even the most skeptical of the anti evil empire/sportsbook camp. =)

Once we know more about the total # of bonuses and players involved, we'll have an idea what the next step is.

You called this, and I quote, "one of the most inept attempts at a scam in recent memory". But you haven't even begun to explain what the scam is. You (admittedly) have no idea if bonuses were involved, and the player denies it, so you can't know it's a bonus scam (and the behavior makes no sense for this). You have no idea if they were colluding against other players on the tables. You don't know that a ********** was attempted. So how the **** were you calling this a scam a few days ago? What's the scam? Who's being scammed? Do you even know what that word means? Why did you think BoL is justified zeroing balances?

Do you have any clue how to do your job, or even what your job is? You've posted an incompetent, logically nonsensical decision in the dispute with ComeOn, you've mangled the prop bet dispute with Greek, and you're acting totally clueless here. Why are you even handling disputes? Who thinks this is a good idea? You obviously can't even write a logically coherent paragraph where you present evidence and draw an appropriate conclusion.

And yeah, if I were BoL, I'd be highly suspicious here- it certainly looks like the activity of a person/people who are up to no good, but there's a huge leap from "acting suspicious" to justifiably zeroing out deposits.

[nyplayer33]

jimmy...u were prob involved in chip dumping..you dont take 100 into 5 grand in poker

[SBR Lou]

If he is not banned why can he not make posts? How about being upfront on this guy's status here at SBR?

I'm not sure why he isn't posting - he's certainly not restricted in any way, and he hasn't asked me about his SBR account via email.

Ever since verifying his email address on July 15th, he's been able to post normally:

[SBR Lou]

Do you even bother to read my posts? You know, where I explicitly stated in post 16 that what the poster said, colluding to beat other players at the same table, was a legitimate concern?

Tom,

You're certainly a good devil's advocate and the public defender statement was no slight. It's expected that there will be debate when a dispute is made public.

You called this, and I quote, "one of the most inept attempts at a scam in recent memory". But you haven't even begun to explain what the scam is.

You're right, I was too colorful with that statement. Based on what I knew at that point, the bulk of the winnings came from poker and all three accounts involved Jimmy, with two of them having matching physical and IP addresses. The way the funds ended up being transferred to one account over the tables led me to believe the winnings were ill-gotten as it was consistent with chip-dumping, but you're absolutely right, there needs to be proof that the funds simply weren't contributed to by three roommates and in fact came as a result of collusive play.

The first thing we ask players is to be honest. When you start right off with a lie it becomes hard to know what you can and cannot believe. In this case, the player denied knowing any other account-holder at BetOnline. He made posts to this effect at multiple forums, and only when told of the evidence he conceded that he lied. At this point, there needs to be an audit of all accounts so we can better understand the timeline and see where the winnings originated from as Bill's post said.

[jimmy242]

there was never collusive play there was never a third person at the tables as to where the winnings came from it came from betting on baseball and i dont think anyone can cheat betting on baseball

[jimmy242]

its one of those things where the player lost then good we have their money and if they win we can find a way to confiscate their winnings its a win win situation for them

[WVU]

Be patient, Jimmy. If there was nothing to gain from moving this money around, then you will likely be paid most of your money before getting the boot.

[jimmy242]

they confiscated my funds 3900.00 worth and they closed my account took my funds and will not pay me. they are accusing me of fradulent activity when i didnt do anything i deposited 100 in there book played poker and won almost 5000 lost some back betting on sports and ask to withdraw 2500 and 800 and a day later they sent me an email

Hi Jimmy I am very sorry but the behavior detected is very obvious. This behavior is considered serious fraudulent activity. It is reason enough to close your account permanently and confiscate all funds. Best regards, Daniel M, The Payment Team


this book is fraud i shouldnt have deposit to play poker on thier site i been playing poker on full tilt since 2006 and never have i encouter a problem like i have at this book what a scam i need help getting my funds
please help if anyone can

I am sorry to everyone on SBR if i have misled you to believe betonline was scamming me i was just frustrated that they decided to close my account and confiscate my money but i did indeed participate in chip dumping and was in violation of the rules and have lied about it in multiple forums i am truly sorry for all this i just wanted my money and i am sorry for making betonline look bad as a result of my lie i want to make it clear that betonline wasnt at fault and it was me who was wrong

sorry

[bubba]

I am sorry to everyone on SBR if i have misled you to believe betonline was scamming me i was just frustrated that they decided to close my account and confiscate my money but i did indeed participate in chip dumping and was in violation of the rules and have lied about it in multiple forums i am truly sorry for all this i just wanted my money and i am sorry for making betonline look bad as a result of my lie i want to make it clear that betonline wasnt at fault and it was me who was wrong

sorry

sounds like jimmy came to some agreement with betonline and part of the agreement was admitting he his fault in the forums.............

[WVU]

what did you get out of this Jimmy?