Do I have a course of action?

**John Dough** · 04-16-13, 11:27 AM

If you bet an obvious bad line (i.e. they clearly made a mistake), it is common practice to cancel the bet.

If this is the case, you shouldn't bet into obvious bad lines, it's akin to trying to cheat the book and books do not appreciate such behavior.

**bostonphoenix** · 04-16-13, 11:32 AM

I have no idea it was a bad line, hell ive been plaing for a week.

It was a line I liked for sure, but I didn't know it was bed.

In the end, they posted the line and I bought it at that price.

They have the right to cancel it without informing me they are going to do so?

I'm looking at their "legal" - http://www.betdsi.eu/betting-rules.aspx and it doesn't address the situation.

If I can't cancel a bet, why can they?

**onemoregoal** · 04-16-13, 12:34 PM

It depends what the difference between the prices are.

**FreeseOut** · 04-16-13, 12:35 PM

Maybe posting the cancelled bet would help people answer your question.

**djefferis** · 04-16-13, 12:47 PM

Yes..in certain situations.

Kind of like me saying "I shot a man in my kitchen, and am now being charged with murder...do they have a case"....without details we have no idea or way to give an opinion.

Ill say this...if you bet it at +3000 and the price should have been -3000, you will likely lose.

...and as to the comment you don't know if its a bad line, you've only been playing for a week...might I suggest you shouldn't be playing at all. Seriously, if you can't tell a big face from a huge dog..you got a lot to learn or you are in real trouble.

**bostonphoenix** · 04-16-13, 01:00 PM

it was a 3 way bet in hockey. NYI 225 -> NYI -140.

I still find no detail of this in their legal and am frustrated.

I see that they made a mistake. But feel they should honor the line they posted.

It would be described as false advertisment. Offering something at one price and then changing it at a later date and disregarding those who bought it first.

**swordsandtequila** · 04-16-13, 01:07 PM

Every book states they have the right to cancel bets based on bad lines, etc. It's there, you just haven't found it. Whether it was bad or not I don't know, don't understand the line you posted. 3-way line is a regulation bet, home-draw-away.

Edit: Looks like you bet NYI moneyline @ +225 and it changed to -140? If so, obvious bad line. They're within their rights to cancel the bet.

**infamousbacardi** · 04-16-13, 01:18 PM

Books cancel bets all the time for a various array of reasons. Could also run into a situation like last night where a team (Spurs) come out and say that at 1 p.m. on day they are going to sit their best 4 players in their game tonight....of course this will move the line 6-10 points....some books will leave it and some books will void a bet you made prior to that announcement.

This is just an example, but in short, YES, books cancel bets all the time and you have to take in the tail pipe if they do, mostly.

**John Dough** · 04-16-13, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by bostonphoenix

I have no idea it was a bad line, hell ive been plaing for a week.

You bet +225 on a line that should have been -140 and didn't know it was a bad line... riiiight.

Don't take shots at books. End of story.

**onemoregoal** · 04-16-13, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by John Dough

You bet +225 on a line that should have been -140 and didn't know it was a bad line... riiiight.

Don't take shots at books. End of story.

To be fair, its not the customers responsibility to ensure any given odds are in line with the market - is it?
Businesses suffer from human error all the time and they pay the price, I dont see why sportsbooks have so much power to do what they like.
Of course something like 100/1 instead of 5/1 or something, yeah cancel it - but they take this too far and just cancel when they like.

**touchback** · 04-16-13, 07:17 PM

Just thinking what Tony would of said.

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**Maniac** · 04-17-13, 03:41 AM

Assuming this was last nights match vs Florida, and considering the Islanders were -200 or more on the regular 2-way market, then +225 on the 3-way is absolutely a bad line I am afraid, and it's very likely that they had their odds the wrong way round for that market as -140 would be in the ballpark of the correct line for the 3-way line for a -200 favourite...

**RonPaul2008** · 04-17-13, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by infamousbacardi

Books cancel bets all the time for a various array of reasons. Could also run into a situation like last night where a team (Spurs) come out and say that at 1 p.m. on day they are going to sit their best 4 players in their game tonight....of course this will move the line 6-10 points....some books will leave it and some books will void a bet you made prior to that announcement.

This is just an example, but in short, YES, books cancel bets all the time and you have to take in the tail pipe if they do, mostly.

No reputable books cancel nba game bets because some of the players don't play. Do you know of a specific book that does this?

**orangeman51** · 04-19-13, 12:02 AM

I see threads about bad lines all the time on this site, and I never understood why so many people defend the books' right to cancel these bets. I've been doing this for several years and have never personally had an experience with a bad line, but I could understand how someone new to betting might not be able to spot one. I get that all the books have their disclaimers about this stuff and there's nothing we can do about it, but that doesn't make it fair. Just like the exorbitant withdrawal times and fees aren't really fair (especially at DSI/Bookmaker). If we don't get do-overs once we've confirmed our bets, why should they get do-overs when they put out bad lines?

The only reason the books get away with it is because the industry is an unregulated free-for-all right now. When all this becomes legal and regulated in the US (and it will one day), this garbage will stop.

**bostonphoenix** · 04-19-13, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by orangeman51

I see threads about bad lines all the time on this site, and I never understood why so many people defend the books' right to cancel these bets. I've been doing this for several years and have never personally had an experience with a bad line, but I could understand how someone new to betting might not be able to spot one. I get that all the books have their disclaimers about this stuff and there's nothing we can do about it, but that doesn't make it fair. Just like the exorbitant withdrawal times and fees aren't really fair (especially at DSI/Bookmaker). If we don't get do-overs once we've confirmed our bets, why should they get do-overs when they put out bad lines?

The only reason the books get away with it is because the industry is an unregulated free-for-all right now. When all this becomes legal and regulated in the US (and it will one day), this garbage will stop.

This is exactly how I feel.

If I cant undo my bids to buy more profitable lines, why can they? We all would like to do this.

**rumple** · 04-19-13, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by bostonphoenix

This is exactly how I feel.

If I cant undo my bids to buy more profitable lines, why can they? We all would like to do this.

What if they had the Heat against Bobcats and they accidentally flipflopped the ml odds and had the Heat +800 and Bobcatts -1600? Would you expect the book to honor that?

**bostonphoenix** · 04-20-13, 08:33 AM

The focus has to be on them to give what they think is fair odds.

If you were to buy a stock from someone it would be at the agreed upon price. If the following week the price was 2x the person couldnt just come back and say no deal. If you buy a painting from someone it may have x value but the art market value for that piece may be y (y>x)

I can understand your point though. People penetrate up, its only to be expected.

But it leads me to ask. If they penetrate up and give bad lines and are allowed to cancel, why can't we as well?

You look at a couple of books, lines develop throughout the day. Lines can move 30/40pts in a day. It doesn't happen a lot, but a 120/-120 is a significant difference (1.2/.833) Shouldn't we be allowed to say bad line, this is the one I want to play instead?

I mean according to the side that argues the book should be allowed to cancel the bet, it seems like that line of logic would apply to the consumer as well.

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LOL at this penetrate edit switch.

**swordsandtequila** · 04-20-13, 09:08 AM

Nobody is saying the books should be allowed to cancel bets, we're saying they can. Fair or not, it's stated in their terms and conditions and as long as offshore exists, it is what it is. We play by their rules or we don't play.

**John Dough** · 04-20-13, 09:15 AM

Can't believe this thread is still going. Books have handled this situation in this manner forever. As posted above, it's in the rules, you chose to play, no one forced you. Accept it and move on already.