EZ Street's "Bailout" of BetIslands: Doing the Math
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raiders72001Senior Member
- 08-10-05
- 11109
#106Comment -
raiders72001Senior Member
- 08-10-05
- 11109
#107Bill and Justin said BI and 7red had no connection right up until Jon admitted it. But would you mind explaining why you put so much effort into denying that there is a connection between BI and EZ? Especially after the whistle blowers ( who now have been proven right about everything else ) claim they are? What reason can you put forth for this belief? I actually wish you were right, then I might have some hope of getting some of my money back.Comment -
DerpSBR High Roller
- 04-20-12
- 102
#108EZthief is holding BI player funds that they accepted through their processor once BI moved into their office. All these BI problems started after they moved in with these thieving crooks. BI agreed to pay off Corey1111's debt as part of the deal so EZ could start advertising with SBR and other forums. BI Jon has obviously made many bad decisions but the biggest was when he stupidly sold out his players to a gang of manipulating thieves when he made the deal with EZ. There might have been 8-10 employees handling the CS, Sales and Management for 3 "different" books all sitting side by side working in the same office. Not rocket science but rather the only obvious conclusion if you have been following events from the beginning. It is all in the public forums. Only a fool would entertain the thought of accepting this offer, stay away.Comment -
raiders72001Senior Member
- 08-10-05
- 11109
#109EZthief is holding BI player funds that they accepted through their processor once BI moved into their office. All these BI problems started after they moved in with these thieving crooks. BI agreed to pay off Corey1111's debt as part of the deal so EZ could start advertising with SBR and other forums. BI Jon has obviously made many bad decisions but the biggest was when he stupidly sold out his players to a gang of manipulating thieves when he made the deal with EZ. There might have been 8-10 employees handling the CS, Sales and Management for 3 "different" books all sitting side by side working in the same office. Not rocket science but rather the only obvious conclusion if you have been following events from the beginning. It is all in the public forums. Only a fool would entertain the thought of accepting this offer, stay away.Comment -
raydogSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-07-07
- 6984
#110and ez already advertises at other forums... and the other places that were bashing bi a long time ago where pissed because they were stiffing on affiliate money...when actually the affiliates werent doing their part to bring in the players they said the would...still not cool to stiff.
bd, dont lump me into some sort of a group that you think is against players man...i was only asking serious questions so i could get your full take...there are so many threads and so many opinions from pissed off guys and a lot of stuff gets lost in translation for me, especially since i didnt get fukked like you guys... nobody posting here is working with sbr or any other place, just seems like some stuff isnt as clear cut as some think it is... also, read that other thread where i mentioned someone should talk to sbrjohn and see if he will honor some sort of guarantee on you guys future deposits that will go into whatever book that ends up offering something to the players (and hopefully there will be one) ...
believe me, i understand everyones concerns about a possible bailout deal with EZ... i just dont necessarily think think its as clear cut as them trying to pull a double heist... hope there is good news after the new year.Comment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#111That's a simple fix--SBR could raise them to a B rating and then accept payola (ad revenue) to have the banner here. It wouldn't be the first time that a subpar Book got a generous rating here. That said, I don't foresee an EZ banner flying at SBR given the Cory1111/Justin7 tagteam beating they received. Too much negative history here for EZ, the brunt of which they brought upon themselves, to overcome. JMO.Comment -
FilL IVY LeagueSBR High Roller
- 10-27-12
- 180
#112If you're one of the "lucky" ones that gets a "bailout" email offer from EZ, do yourself a favor and just delete it. Even if you could be assured that EZ will pay upon completion of your rollover, a likely stretch, you still stand to lose more money.
The offer: You get 100% of the BI balance stolen from you by their buddies in return for a 50% matching deposit and a 15x rollover on ALL of it.
So say the Average Joe lost $1000 when BI fukked him over. He would now have to send $500 to EZ to get the $1000 back, in return for a 15x RO on everything, or $22,500 in action. Assuming Average Joe is a 50% player, he 'll have $11,250 in winners as well as losers, so the juice on losses costs him $1125. Now his $1500 starting balance is down to $375. And since he sent $500 new money, the "bailout" has cost him an additional $125.
So the Average Joe can expect to lose roughly 25% on any new money sent in. Thanks, but no thanks.Comment -
eastern2SBR Sharp
- 02-24-12
- 448
#113Got a call from Ben at BI errr I mean David at EZ regarding bailout.... Amazing how they sound identical lmfaoComment -
BranchDavidianSBR MVP
- 08-29-10
- 1014
#114and ez already advertises at other forums... and the other places that were bashing bi a long time ago where pissed because they were stiffing on affiliate money...when actually the affiliates werent doing their part to bring in the players they said the would...still not cool to stiff.
bd, dont lump me into some sort of a group that you think is against players man...i was only asking serious questions so i could get your full take...there are so many threads and so many opinions from pissed off guys and a lot of stuff gets lost in translation for me, especially since i didnt get fukked like you guys... nobody posting here is working with sbr or any other place, just seems like some stuff isnt as clear cut as some think it is... also, read that other thread where i mentioned someone should talk to sbrjohn and see if he will honor some sort of guarantee on you guys future deposits that will go into whatever book that ends up offering something to the players (and hopefully there will be one) ...
believe me, i understand everyones concerns about a possible bailout deal with EZ... i just dont necessarily think think its as clear cut as them trying to pull a double heist... hope there is good news after the new year.Comment -
polskboySBR MVP
- 01-29-10
- 1688
#115Comment -
PharaohUBSBR MVP
- 01-23-07
- 4865
#116I took advantage of bonus offers from a few books simultaenously during baseball season. I had money in both of these books at teh same time. EZStreet lines and BetIslands lines were almost always the same and seemed to move together.Comment -
RobberSBR Hall of Famer
- 10-21-09
- 6432
#117
Now you're using him to back you up? If Justin said something about bi it's almost certainly wrong
If Justin said they're not related only a moron would put any stock in his wordsComment -
RobberSBR Hall of Famer
- 10-21-09
- 6432
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raiders72001Senior Member
- 08-10-05
- 11109
#119Alright Raydog, I did get the impression when this BI stuff first went down that you and Raiders were a tag-team. SBR was remaining silent in all the bashing threads for a while, but you and Raiders seemed to be defending SBR for them - in what I thought was an indefensible position. I may have lost my objectivity along with my money. I really did come to the conclusion that both of you were, in all likelyhood, either plants sent to do the dirty work or wanna be mods. Perhaps I judged too quickly and too harshly. Sorry. I will try to regain some objectivity.Comment -
bettilimbroke999SBR Posting Legend
- 02-04-08
- 13254
#120My bookie stiffed me for 2k but his long lost twin brother offered me a "bailout" if Id send him 50% of the money I was owed and roll it all over 15x
Thoughts Raider?Last edited by bettilimbroke999; 12-31-12, 05:11 PM.Comment -
bettilimbroke999SBR Posting Legend
- 02-04-08
- 13254
#124You are correct about it being a cash bonus, that's how I read the offer too. However, you're wrong about a 200% bonus being better than nothing at all. The bonus is -EV. Assuming the BI money is gone, which it is, you're basically doing a 45x RO on anything you deposit.
For a new client, this would be an inexpensive way to try out a new Book. As far as bailouts go, this is horseshiit.
THE PROBLEM IS...the shitdumpcrapgarbagesistercopyscambook offering it
If this was offered by 5dimes or Heritage or Bookmaker or any decent book you should jump on it instantly and thank god it was offered and go all in on your first bet and try to dump it into another book so you dont have to roll any of it over if you're lucky....but since this is EZ when it comes time to get a payout and you're back talkin to Jon Kreta or whatever the fuk his name is you're shit out of luckComment -
Speedy88SBR Posting Legend
- 03-19-11
- 11717
#125No offense but this is about as close to anything like a "bailout" you're going to get
THE PROBLEM IS...the shitdumpcrapgarbagesistercopyscambook offering it
If this was offered by 5dimes or Heritage or Bookmaker or any decent book you should jump on it instantly and thank god it was offered and go all in on your first bet and try to dump it into another book so you dont have to roll any of it over if you're lucky....but since this is EZ when it comes time to get a payout and you're back talkin to Jon Kreta or whatever the fuk his name is you're shit out of luckComment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#126No offense but this is about as close to anything like a "bailout" you're going to get
THE PROBLEM IS...the shitdumpcrapgarbagesistercopyscambook offering it
If this was offered by 5dimes or Heritage or Bookmaker or any decent book you should jump on it instantly and thank god it was offered and go all in on your first bet and try to dump it into another book so you dont have to roll any of it over if you're lucky....but since this is EZ when it comes time to get a payout and you're back talkin to Jon Kreta or whatever the fuk his name is you're shit out of luckComment -
raydogSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-07-07
- 6984
#127We're on the same page with EZ. Taking a "bailout" offer from a D Book is throwing good money after bad. I am more than willing to consider any bailout plan offered by A Books, but would hope that the deposit part would be 25% or less. I'd rather put up less money and do more rollover in return.Comment -
MBENZSBR Hall of Famer
- 01-07-07
- 5238
#128The only book rated A+ by SBR that matches up with a very trusted ratings site is 5Dimes.Comment -
raydogSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-07-07
- 6984
#129Comment -
MBENZSBR Hall of Famer
- 01-07-07
- 5238
#130For U.S. players yes.You stick with SBR ratings,I'll stick with Bookmakersreview.Lets see who gets burned first.Comment -
raydogSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-07-07
- 6984
#131cmon mbenz...you know me better than that...hence the reason i was poking fun at HH ... if you dont trust a place who throws up As and Bs, then how do you trust them to be accurate with Cs and Ds ? you cant... was my whole point
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HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#132i can definitely understand people staying away from this bailout offer since some think they are in business with bi... but you really shouldnt bring up the rating of books when you dont trust a single thing from sbr and are very adament about it..they are better than a D... the cory fiasco caused their grade to drop... but again, since you dont trust sbr, its a bit hypocritical to say you wouldnt trust a book with a certain sbr rating...am i right?Comment -
raydogSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-07-07
- 6984
#133of course you dont, but you keep bringing up easystreets rating like you trust that it is as shitty as a D...and besides the cory case, easy has been much better than a D... ask anyone, besides cory, that has played there the last few years... they dont pay sbr anything , so they are stuck in the shitter.... if it turns out that they are indeed in business with BI , then they can be dropped to an F or blacklisted with no complaints from anyone...until then, their sbr rating you keep harping on is pretty meaningless....i think i made my point....good luck today gentsComment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#134of course you dont, but you keep bringing up easystreets rating like you trust that it is as shitty as a D...and besides the cory case, easy has been much better than a D... ask anyone, besides cory, that has played there the last few years... they dont pay sbr anything , so they are stuck in the shitter.... if it turns out that they are indeed in business with BI , then they can be dropped to an F or blacklisted with no complaints from anyone...until then, their sbr rating you keep harping on is pretty meaningless....i think i made my point....good luck today gentsComment -
stevexSBR Hall of Famer
- 05-02-10
- 5122
#135Or you can not get a bailout at all....
HmmmComment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
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touchbackSBR MVP
- 02-08-12
- 1227
#138Wait for a solid offer or none at all, throwing good money after bad is the hight of poor rational and logic... something should come along shortly. There are some difficulties because certain data is required for a fair and equitable offer that benefits both. Sheets with only logins and balances are not enough. Player action, deposit, and withdrawal histories are required for compilation and analysis for a correct assessment and classification of customers for a safe and reasonable offer. Current possesion of accurate data is of cours Jon (cheers), H and O. It is understandable that they are resistant to release but it is necessary for any real deal to go forward and of course any cooperation would be recognized and appreciated as a whole I am sure.Comment -
bettilimbroke999SBR Posting Legend
- 02-04-08
- 13254
#139Sometimes I think that new books like BetIslands are almost doomed to failure, all the money they have to pay in affiliate fees, huge deposit/reload bonuses, reduced juice, free 1/2 points, suck your dick on Sunday promos etc to attract customers and then they get hammered by a ton of sharps/bonus abusers...very tough to make it with this business modelComment -
touchbackSBR MVP
- 02-08-12
- 1227
#140Sometimes I think that new books like BetIslands are almost doomed to failure, all the money they have to pay in affiliate fees, huge deposit/reload bonuses, reduced juice, free 1/2 points, suck your dick on Sunday promos etc to attract customers and then they get hammered by a ton of sharps/bonus abusers...very tough to make it with this business modelComment
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