[jesuseatsnubs]

Did Tony say in the chat "if you dont use a robot you will lose"

Is that for real?

and his the manager of that place ? Just goes to show what kind of people run 5dimes ..

he has a terrible attitude and is a liar and a thief .

[KGambler]

dude you have any idea what 5dimes is doing right now ? It's like me going to a casino and winning $10,000

then they decide not to pay me for whatever bullshit excuse they come up with .

It's basically no different then stealing .. these 5dimes fuks are thieves .

It's up to you guys and everyone else to teach them a lesson and NOT deposit at there site and withdraw all your money .

But before doing that wait and see what SBR decides to do first .. If they say they must pay and they don't

then that's when u gotta BOYCOTT them .. it will teach them a lesson hopefully .. not to fuk with the players .

Not sure what your deal is, but there is no reason to jump to any conclusions. The player filed a complaint and now we can expect SBR to look into it. It should now come down to whether or not 5Dimes can prove bot use or not.

When the Cory story came out, lots of morons swallowed ezmarvin's posted lies hook, line and sinker. If they had just waited a little longer for some actual proof, they would not have made such fools of themselves.

We have heard one side of the story. If what the player says is true, he can expect to get paid. I can understand making an educated guess or a prediction as to what happened here, but why jump to a firm conclusion before anyone has even had a chance to look into this?

[jesuseatsnubs]

Not sure what your deal is, but there is no reason to jump to any conclusions. The player filed a complaint and now we expect SBR to look into it. It should now come down to whether or not 5Dimes can prove bot use or not.

When the Cory story came out, lots of morons swallowed ezmarvin's posted lies hook, line and sinker. If they had just waited a little longer for some actual proof, they would not have made such fools of themselves.

We have heard one side of the story. If what the player says is true, he can expect to get paid. I can understand making an educated guess or a prediction as to what happened here, but why jump to a firm conclusion before anyone has even had a chance to look into this?

you are completely right .

But what it really pissed me off to jump like this is the way TONY behaved in the chat script he posted .

THE FUK is his problem ?

[zabula11]

• ▼
• Available Balance $29.55

just such a joke..
Tony reseted my 14500 balance to zero, but he forgot also to void my unsettled bets
so now I am millionaire again guess how long it will remain until it goes to zero

[TrajaD]

[relaaxx]

and another sportsbook can't understand someone winning. they must have cheated. all gamblers are idiots. not smart enough to win without cheating. i think on 2nd thought 5dimes and tony will pay. congrandulations on knowing you had the odds and trusting your instincts and playing long enough to see the payout. even if i noticed the big advantange i would have never trusted 5dimes or any other casiono enough to give it a shot. again congradulations, enjoy the money, i think they will pay. anyone can play that long, that fast. seems easy enough. because of the type of game it is.

[pokerplayer22]

If SBR rules in favor of the player, there is no doubt 5dimes will pay the player.

[bigbet1234]

He also once claimed to have designed their AH soccer lines, which of course they were copying from pinnacle, and not paying out properly because no one there understood them (basic math).

[wrongturn]

The world will plunge into chaos if SBR rules for 5Dimes while RX rules for the player.

[rsnnh12]

you are completely right .

But what it really pissed me off to jump like this is the way TONY behaved in the chat script he posted .

THE FUK is his problem ?

Dude, you need to relax. Sending crap to 5Dimes and swearing them out won't help ANYONE. Don't need to be an internet tough guy.

Let SBR get to the bottom of it. They'll do what's right, ok? Don't send anything else to 5Dimes/Tony

[Ralphie1412]

I think a little more attention needs to be given to the "you cant beat the game, I designed it." If you dont use a robot you lose.

For the record I play at 5 dimes and I got hot in baseball and won 24k and they paid every penny.

[mtneer1212]

Not sure what your deal is, but there is no reason to jump to any conclusions. The player filed a complaint and now we can expect SBR to look into it. It should now come down to whether or not 5Dimes can prove bot use or not.

When the Cory story came out, lots of morons swallowed ezmarvin's posted lies hook, line and sinker. If they had just waited a little longer for some actual proof, they would not have made such fools of themselves.

We have heard one side of the story. If what the player says is true, he can expect to get paid. I can understand making an educated guess or a prediction as to what happened here, but why jump to a firm conclusion before anyone has even had a chance to look into this?

And let's keep in mind that Cory had some unscrupulous behavior in the past, so we will see if any dirt comes up on the OP here. Let's wait for the investigation and report; 5dimes has an excellent reputation for being honest, unlike EZstreet, whose reputation was evolving at best.

[katstale]

Ok, ok, ok, I am here. It took me a little bit, but everyone slow down, I can't keep up. My first thought was: he really is god since he is also a programmer etc.

Tony: yes, i designed the games
Tony: i know the pay tables
Tony: robots are not permitted

My second thought was, well if he screwed up in his understanding of the odds, then he can't be god. so he is a demi-god?

My third thought is this, he better hope this doesn't get assigned to Justin. Cause in short order, all the good will he has been building with his brand is abt to be tied up with SleazyStreet.

My 4th thought is several B+ books are drooling over stealing some of god's clients.

[Justin7]

I am not handling this complaint, but I see two different issues. 1. Did the player use a bot, and 2. What is the fair remedy if he did?

In the EZ case, the book had no damages even if it could show there was a bot. It was a -EV game. If 5Dimes' casino really had a +EV game, it is a more difficult case for the player (but only if they can prove a bot was used).

I'm not sure zeroing the player's balance would ever be fair, even if there was a bot... In all seriousness though, no sportsbook should offer a +EV casino game. You're begging for bot players if you do this.

[KGambler]

you are completely right .

But what it really pissed me off to jump like this is the way TONY behaved in the chat script he posted .

THE FUK is his problem ?

Actually, I had not read the chat. I just went back and did so. If I had to guess, this player will get paid. Tony may be holding back some good evidence, but it certainly doesn't sound like it based upon the chat.

When he says "players who don't use a robot lose on that game" (paraphrase) I think he means that the proper strategy is tough to determine. This is not true at all. You can just go to a free website, input the pay table, and it will tell you the strategy. And you can enter in any example hand and it will tell you how to play it. As the player said, the proper strategy is not difficult to implement, and the occasional mistake is fine considering the massive player edge.

Maybe they had people playing the game who never bothered to research a proper strategy, and just played so poorly that they were -EV? It is a weird game so most people wouldn't know how to play it. But it is not hard to determine a +EV strategy, let alone play the optimal strategy (assuming you take the time to do a tiny bit of research).

[HedgeHog]

With 5D being a sponsor, SBR finds itself in the same situation that Shilheim did. I don't envy them if the facts pan out and Tony balks at paying 14+ large.

[Justin7]

With 5D being a sponsor, Justin finds himself in the same situation that Shilheim did. I don't envy him if the facts pan out and Tony balks at paying 14+ large.

I'm not quite in the same position as Wilhelm. I am free to criticize SBR sponsors (and I have in the past).

[Dark Horse]

I'm getting so tired of these stupid casino threads that go on and on. Could you please create a separate forum for casino complaints, SBR?

2.5 seconds per hand, perfect strategy, 20,000 hands per day. Day after day after day.

100% certainty that he used a bot. Why is that even in question?

[ROYAJA8]

I think jesuseatsnubs is in search of Tony to kill him as we speak. I'm pretty sure this girl is gonna get paid, a lesson learned for Tony only use rigged games to benefit 5dimes not the players.
Also good job Justin in your work defending us players. Keep up the good work.

[katstale]

I'm not quite in the same position as Wilhelm. I am free to criticize SBR sponsors (and I have in the past).

This is a fact. I can't think of anyone else at SBR who has done this, but for sure it is true in your case.

[slash]

In the EZ case, the book had no damages even if it could show there was a bot. It was a -EV game. If 5Dimes' casino really had a +EV game, it is a more difficult case for the player (but only if they can prove a bot was used).

Please explain why you think that it matters whether the game has a positive expected value for the player or not.

When I make an arbitrage bet (=positive expected value to me) where 5Dimes is one of the books, I expect to be paid, even though my winning side is at 5Dimes.

I am so happy that I moved most of my arb $$$ to my Swiss bank account years ago with all the bs poisoning the industry these days.

[WVU]

I'm getting so tired of these stupid casino threads that go on and on. Could you please create a separate forum for casino complaints, SBR?

2.5 seconds per hand, perfect strategy, 20,000 hands per day. Day after day after day.

100% certainty that he used a bot. Why is that even in question?

doesn't playing perfectly mean simply clicking the deal button? It was autoholding deuces and you are only playing for that and the royal.

[Kaabee]

Actually, I had not read the chat. I just went back and did so. If I had to guess, this player will get paid. Tony may be holding back some good evidence, but it certainly doesn't sound like it based upon the chat. When he says "players who don't use a robot lose on that game" (paraphrase) I think he means that the proper strategy is tough to determine. This is not true at all. You can just go to a free website, input the pay table, and it will tell you the strategy. And you can enter in any example hand and it will tell you how to play it. As the player said, the proper strategy is not difficult to implement, and the occasional mistake is fine considering the massive player edge. Maybe they had people playing the game who never bothered to research a proper strategy, and just played so poorly that they were -EV? It is a weird game so most people wouldn't know how to play it. But it is not hard to determine a +EV strategy, let alone play the optimal strategy (assuming you take the time to do a tiny bit of research).

seems like the strategy would be play whatever you have more of and if there is a tie play the deuces. for example 2 deuces would trump 2 to the royal and 3 to the royal would trump 2 deuces.

[soxwin1917]

I'm getting so tired of these stupid casino threads that go on and on. Could you please create a separate forum for casino complaints, SBR?

2.5 seconds per hand, perfect strategy, 20,000 hands per day. Day after day after day.

100% certainty that he used a bot. Why is that even in question?

I'm glad I'm not the only one that recognizes clear bot use.

[sickeric]

this is real bad press for 5 dimes no matter how it turns out..... a special "lmao" at tony: "I designed the games"

[HedgeHog]

I'm not quite in the same position as Wilhelm. I am free to criticize SBR sponsors (and I have in the past).

I did not mean to imply otherwise. I merely meant that the circumstances are strikingly similar. Given your experience, why are you backing off this case? It's so similar to the EZ matter, that you're the logical choice to judge it.

[C.S.]

he's not backing off... it was not assigned to him.

[HedgeHog]

he's not backing off... it was not assigned to him.

Which only begs the question more....Why Not?

[Euphoria38]

heh go play at creditwager :P

[C.S.]

Which only begs the question more....Why Not?

Couldn't agree more.

[BigDaddy]

i have a feeling another winning casino player is going to get screwed.

tony set a game up to give a 12.5% edge to the player and says only bot players can win at it


unreal


he should pay the player for being so stupid to make a comment so dumb.

[WVU]

hard to believe eh Big Daddy? 5 dimes has a lot at stake in this. Many value their sterling reputation

[HedgeHog]

i have a feeling another winning casino player is going to get screwed.

I can see why you think that, especially with SBR not choosing Justin to handle the matter. Looks like they're trying to avoid the obvious hypocrisy should he rule for 5D, an SBR sponsor.

[pokerplayer22]

From my experience with 5dimes, they are hardasses and will talk down to you. But they dont stiff anyone. If SBR rules in favor of the player, there is no doubt that 5dimes will pay. They are not even in the same universe as EZstreet

[Bill Dozer]

a) surely I did not
b) I wrote it in my post I think.. I played about 1200 hands a hand in average, playing around 14-18 hours a day which gives around 20 000 hnads a day (sometimes I had day of when it was some national holiday etc, but mostly not.. I am not much sociable person so sitting home is my life :/ )
So around 20 000 hands was my target every day. Once I reached it, I felt into bed. Very tiring but if it can earn you like 5 000 USD per month, you can even survive such strict day schedule... Maybe in US you wouldnt bother do such super boring thing but here 5 000 usd per month for 16 hours of sitting behind computer is very good... some people have similarly long work shifts and earns like 500 - 1000 USD per monht here in this country... so would you do it for 5x average salary? I think so...

Hi zabula,
If there is any doubt that you did use a bot, 5Dimes will pay 100% of the winnings. 5Dimes will be sending us your hand history and be the official mediator if you agree. With your permission, we'll share your hand history publicly.

This is going to get ugly.

5Dimes is a A+ SBR sponsored book, unlike EZstreet.

Wonder if SBR delivers a similar verdict.

SBR is not going to talk about data that only the book has or mystery experts. This will be transparent and information will be public as all disputes are. 5Dimes has consistently paid at the conclusion of complicated disputes leaning toward the player.

Just as in the EZStreet case, can we have a full review by Justin before we start the boycott? In EZStreet's case, they had NO proof. Lets see what 5dimes has to offer.

5Dimes already said they will pay if there is doubt on whether the player used a bot. This is a pending case anyone will be able to review.

I have no idea about how this is going to turn out but i guarantee that if 5dimes has no evidence (like EZ didnt), than SBR will side with the player because the precident has already been set. I also guarantee that even tho Tony is a hardass, that if SBR rules that 5dimes has to pay the player, than Tony will pay the player.

5dimes is not in the corrupt category like EZ is. My guess is that we are about to see the difference between an A+ book and a D- book.

Long time readers of the board know that 5D has paid big figures after a player took advantage of obvious loopholes or misconfigurations.