I am obviously new to sbr posting but not to the industry. I have been a frequent visitor for years. Like most of you i had a very large sum in bet islands like all of you i am outraged at the lies and stealing. What i propose is that we do something about it. If this outright robbery is allowed to stand then this industry is going to die. Why cant sbr broker a deal with another book. Have their math guys run the numbers and give us some outrageous rollover if necessary. I would much rather have a 50 times rollover at Bookmaker with my money than no money at all. Everyone wins in this scenario as bookmaker would get new customers and new action. Sbr could save some face and re-estanish some semblance of credibility and the offshore industry doesnt suffer bc there is a ripple effect. I withdrew as much $ as i could from my offshore accounts yesterday. So far every thread has focused on who is to blame, who knew what and when did they know it. Lets start to focus on all of us finding a solution to this issue by exerting enough pressure on sbr and likely bailout candidates to make this situation right for all parties involved. I would take a 50 times rollover with bookmaker or 5Dimes on my bet islands balance in a second and everyone else would as well. Lets find a solution and recover our funds.
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All for it. But it looks like Jon may have f*cked this one up beyond repair. Hope I'm wrong.Comment -
GL but no book in its right mind would give balances for any roll amount...
makes 0 sense for them to do thatComment -
hate to say this but 99.9 % you will never see a dime...Comment -
You are speaking logic and level headed thinking to people who have had and have an agenda in another universe.Comment -
Was BI regulated in CR? There is no way we are gonna get our money back but maybe we can get "Jon Kreta" and friends deported.Comment -
Sometimes a book will match funds with a rollover. If you are owed 3 dimes, then you have to deposit 3 dimes and then you'll have $6 dimes in your account. This is a bad deal if a bad book bails them out, now you're out twice the money. Many times a strong book will bail you out and it's a good deal.Comment -
Also, at times you will get profiled and the bailout is on an individual basis. It all depends upon the book that bails you out. Hopefully, a bailout will happen.Comment -
If people are serious, here are some quick ideas (haven't thought about it much):
1. start a private board for victims who want to pursue this
2. raise money (would not have to be much)
3. make some phone calls to authorities in CR, maybe to media in US (last part could be terrible idea, just throwing it out)
4. hire lawyer in CR to correspond with authorities there
BI will be packing up their computers and leaving the building soon. No one is going to get arrested for this scam (maybe for something else). No one is getting their money back. But we can still get some things done.
My experience with this kind of thing is that people are not willing to put up money or spend time making phone calls, writing letters, etc. They just want to vent on the internet. But just throwing it out there.Comment -
Fine. Let's start a topic, or blog at wordpress, with all the personal info we can find on Jon.
Everything that is known about this con artist.
For instance, Jon is somehow related to this business. https://seven-capital.com/contact/index.html
He gave me two e-mail addresses from that business for paypal deposits to BI.
Let's get this guy looking over his shoulder for his remaining days.Last edited by Dark Horse; 12-19-12, 02:30 PM.Comment -
I will call the uk office tomorrowComment -
fukk...I will put some money down to hire lawyer, killer or whoeverComment -
While the suggestions and plans above seem like a good idea, they won't help. This has happened many times before. With PanAm, forum owners got the Panamanian government involved. A bailout is the only hope.Comment -
I asked Tony about a bailout earlier today, offered him matching deposit and 100x roll (for my own funds). He still wasn't interested. He's seen the numbers and the players list.Comment -
Besides matching my amount with an equal amount of deposit and agreeing to a rollover, I would even agree to having each game circled and they choose the team I can bet on. Of course I will then choose which games I will bet. This should indicate to a bailout book what little they would have to do for their positive"advertising" risk. Surely they can't be afraid of this kind of action?Comment -
One of the hardest things to do is to accept that a large sum of money you thought you had has been stolen from you..thats what we have to accept, there is not going to be any bailout and i think you all know it..im out $6,521 in this mess, and thats after getting my ass kicked the entire months of September and October..our money is gone for good.Comment -
I would suggest that players go to a book that they currently play or have played at and ask the book if they will accept their BI balance with a matching deposit. That book will have you profiled and may accept it.Comment -
Don't know about getting our money back, but taking down SBR would provide some satisfaction and be easier IMO. We are SBR. THe posters are the site. We built it up and we can take it down. One negative post after another is a good start. Advertisers are seeing this. The negative posts must continue and dominate the boards. Even newbies.Comment -
I dont want SBR to fail though either SBR book will be another lost out and there are not many left
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I'd agree to a high rollover or any other alternative .... but looks like we're penetrated thoComment -
Bailouts occurred while there were many books competing for the $$$ of USA citizens.
Since then is the UIGEA. Many books have folded, consolidated, been bought out, and folded.
There used to be many books that posters would feel safe at.
Now for the USA, there are 2 or 3. And there's no longer a need for them to compete for your $$$.Comment -
Why wouldn't any book accept 2x deposit (if you had a 3k balance you must deposit 6k to make a total of 9k)......100x rollover, and 6 month hold with no withdrawals? Also, they could impose limitations on bet sizes and type of wagers.
They could then monitor the accounts, ID the real sharps and close them out if necessary, and watch the rest lose all of their money. I think everybody here would accept these conditons in a heartbeat.Comment -
Perhaps a math guy could run some numbers on my proposal above. If balances are 1.5 million, and 33% of it is sharp, they would close them out at 600K (100k addl profit for sharps) as it may take awhile for them to determine they are, indeed, sharp. Meanwhile the other players would have 3 million in play, 1 million from BI and 2 mil in deposits. If all of their plays with the 100x rollover are 50/50, wouldn't this add up to a winning proposition for a book?Comment -
Speaking as someone who has lived in Costa Rica since 2004.
Calling the "authorities" is a waste of time, the idea is laughable. Those guys couldn't find their way out of a paper bag nor would they give two shits. Same goes for any government agency.
There will be a lot of talk about people coming down here and fcuking people up, "getting our money back" it won't happen. It never does. Lenny walks around freely and still does business with people. All the slime balls from AP/UB prance around town like they did nothing wrong... People are owed hundreds of thousands... no one does a thing.
Hope for a bailout, or some sort of similar deal.Comment -
I kissed my money goodbye at about 10 pm Monday night. Best for all is to do just do the same. The more you think about it, the more you realize how bleak the options are, and you just get pissed. Focus all efforts on taking down Dozer and Walker instead!
C.S. is there a picture of the infamous Lenny or info on what he does with everybody's money now? Always wondered what thay pos looked like. At least Jon is out there for the world to know what he looks like if anybody ever runs into him on a latin american beach.Last edited by gmcarroll33; 12-19-12, 05:59 PM.Comment -
No idea about a picture, nor his $$$ situation, just know he isn't in hiding.C.S. is there a picture of the infamous Lenny or info on what he does with everybody's money now?Comment -
Lenny showed these guys and others how to scam and get away with it. CS is correct, but Lenny is alive just barely. Not sure if he will ever know how close he was to being an "example", but SBR John knows.Comment -
I think expats may not understand how things operate down there as deeply as they think they do. If a CR clerk complains to CR government about labor laws being broken, nothing happens? You sure you are thinking this through? Publica Fuerza and all the government agencies just sit around and never do anything?
I 100% agree that no one is going down there to penetrate anyone up. That's not gonna happen. And I also 100% agree no one will be arrested for the fraud committed by "Jon Kreta". A guy getting booted out of the country for immigration violations or because his **** is revoked is another matter. Don't underestimate what a few dedicated people can get accomplished.
Personally, I am not gonna contribute shit unless I see there are at least several like minded people involved. As far as doing all of the heavy lifting for people who can't be bothered to make a phone call, I've been there and done that.Comment -
I seen hundreds of employees come and go through our doors, but sure what do I know.I think expats may not understand how things operate down there as deeply as they think they do.
If a CR clerk complains to CR government about labor laws being broken, nothing happens?
Sure a court date gets scheduled... and maybe if the company is still around in 3 years the judgement will be in the favor of the clerk... at which point some lowlife tico lawyer will walk away with the clerks money. I don't know what labor laws are being broken here. If it is just an example, then you picked the most active agency cause costa ricans are socialists at heart... always think their rights are being violated and always looking for a handout and the labor department is one way they try to milk it.
You sure you are thinking this through?
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They might set up a road block on friday nights is escazu looking for bribes from drunk drivers. The might bust a car with a few hundred kilos of coke, that magically disappears from the police office the next day. but if your looking for help or crime fighters yes they just do nothing. here herePublica Fuerza and all the government agencies just sit around and never do anything?
3 out of the last 5 or 6 presidents here have been sent to jail after their term. cr is a cease pool of corruption and filth from the top down.
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