Originally posted by Thremp
Take your complaint elsewhere.
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No need for that, but there is that saying about leopards and changing spots.
Take your complaint elsewhere.Comment -
I agree that is unwarranted. But...No need for that
When is SBR going to see the results of putting the advertising dollar above the customer's interest? It's not a fluke that SBR's reputation as being a unprejudiced reviewer and arbiter is in question by many bettors and forum users. This thread has only made it more clear to me that when it boils down, SBR has the prerogative of obtaining advertising/affiliate dollars set before actually being an impartial mediator in punter-book disputes.Comment -
I appreciate your feedback. I do disagree. I actually think Thremp illustrated pretty clearly why someone wouldn't want to make an exception for him. Like with any business that serves customers, if there is at all a borderline situation where there's gray area and perhaps some fault from both sides, if you are an asshole, you're probably not getting your way. There's no hidden agenda or other facts to it than that.Originally posted by GoDeViLs
BetHorizon could have handled it better. Thremp could have heeded the warning and not let his ego get in the way. Life goes on.Comment -
I really don't think anyone in the world can dispute it is absolutely ridiculous that he can bet less than 1% per game to meet some expected rollover. And less than 2% on GAMEDAY? Come on. Just close the account and pay the guy.
The poster might be the biggest scumbag in the world (he sounds like true scum with his post a few posts up), but the book looks ridiculous here.
Who in the hell would ever play at a book like this? It is amazing how fukkin horrible these offshore bookmakers are and it is amazing how much terrible attention they bring to their book(s).
It is not hard to run a sportsbook and make a profit. The mathematics don't lie, and if you have enough customers there is really no way you can lose if you book with any sort of intelligence. Instead these books don't have customers because they are morons with terrible pr skills and the players they do get are winning players, probably over and over just using other names/ids.
With advertising like this you just lose potential customers. I am not a winning gambler/sports bettor, but I would never even think about depositing at a place like this. I imagine there are others in the same boat.Comment -
What we usually forget here...sure it pisses more prof. players off.
But they write "bonuses for rec. players only blabla", and those would happily play a huge amount of games for smaller amounts. That's the hook, and why you prolly cannot even call it a "foul".Comment -
IMO, the exact opposite is true. The prof. players are happy to take the bonus, despite a high rollover. They are going to bet anyway. And they like to make large bets anyway. The rec players are the ones who are worried about rollover. They don't want to bust their only account. They don't want to bet the max on every bet. They don't understand the math, so they can't understand why the book won't let them place one or two bets and then let them withdraw their money.Originally posted by MonteComment -
I agree with the general sentiment here. Yes, Thremp has some serious problems. But that really shouldn't change the "rules" of how this should be handled.Comment -
just when i think sbr cant get any worse they make a ruling based on their opinion of the player. a mediator should be objective and that is certainly not the case here.Comment -
Monte, just what is a professional player? Almost every book has this in their t&c's, but "professional player" is an undefined term that the books can use to describe any player that they so choose. YOU, Monte, are playing for real money and could be labelled "professional" by a book if it decided it did not want to give you a payout ( at least for a long time --- until you make a gazillion bets anyway ). I have been labelled as a pro by a couple of books --- but a dozen others are happy to consider me recreational. If there truly were a standard set for what is recreational and what is pro, all books would agree. Diamond has given me this label and refused to allow me any more bonuses or bet points. Yet, after a year or two with no action, a rep has called me and got this label overturned in order to get another deposit. After a couple of years of playing AGAIN, they again labelled me pro and stopped with the bonuses and bet points only to once again change their minds and allow bonuses. So, this pro/recreational player thing is just one more device the books can employ to harass winning players and slow down payouts.Originally posted by MonteComment -
Well for example Thremp is not a recreational player
Everyone who wants to scalp the bonus out rather than roll over the full amount at an otherwise useless book is a Pro.
Everyone who thinks 250 bucks is a low amount for 1 bet is a Pro. Etc...Comment -
Alrighty then. We have yet another definition of what is pro or rec. So you want to give the books even more wiggle room. And suppose I am a multi-millionaire that has never bet on sports before. I all of sudden decide I would like to place a bet on the super bowl for a kick. I decide to place the relatively small sum ( to me ) of $10,000 on this wager. According to you, this makes me non-recreational? You think it is the amount of your bankroll that determines whether you are pro or rec? How about the small timer that bets $100 on 50 wagers per day? Is he pro or rec? Don't you see that this is an area that allows the books too much discretion? What is the difference to a book if player A ( admitted pro who claims taxes ) bets $500 on the Giants, or player B ( who never made a previous sports bet ) bets $500 on the Giants.Originally posted by MonteWell for example Thremp is not a recreational player
Everyone who wants to scalp the bonus out rather than roll over the full amount at an otherwise useless book is a Pro.
Everyone who thinks 250 bucks is a low amount for 1 bet is a Pro. Etc...Comment -
I'm so glad whether or not a player gets paid is now coming down to how big of an internet troll people think they are.
Good work SB industry! Well-played, indeed.Comment -
Wow this Thremp dude is such a jerk. SBR did the right thing here.Comment -
yea brumbles great point. how you are treated by a book should be related to how you act on forums.
keep up the great workComment -
same thing has happened to me betmania is holding my money hostage making me place $250 wagers to clear rollover for a free play...
worst part is i haven't even used the free play yet i've only placed a few bets but they won't let me just cancel the free play bonus.
filed a complaint, no progress yetComment -
They should void the freebet and pay you your balance.Originally posted by lecubs28Comment -
Of course they should, since they are not a sponsor bookOriginally posted by Justin7Comment -
This is absolutely reprehensible behavior from Lou.
Fukking sickening shit.
If SBR has to stoop to these levels to survive, then perhaps they should cut the fat (Lou) out of the budget rather than become perfect slimeballs.Comment
