anyone have this? TIA
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Sound like an awesome fadeComment -
i have it 16u play BLUEJAYS FOR THE SERIES -225 I GOT THE TEXT FROM HIM EARLIER DO ANY OF YU GUYS HAVE JR STEVENS FOR TODAY HES BEEN GOODComment -
How can you tell your clients to risk 36 units? What a sham. He also has about 8 units riding on the Royals in their series. So total if they lose (which is a real possibility now) he can be down 44 units. But don't worry, touts got it made. They can pump up the wins and hide the losses.Comment -
He also lost 4 units on a flyer of Pitt winning the world series. But you won't see that anywhere on his website. He doesn't believe in full transparency. Be very careful to not believe the hype he puts on his website.Comment -
Have you had his picks over an extended period of time ??? I was thinking about purchasingComment -
he HAD CARDINALS LAST NIGHT BASESComment -
Texas longhorns +17 navy +14.5 central mich+7 fightin illinoise +11 cal bears +7.5 todays games mid tennesee +9 rutgers+14.5 lsu-13Comment -
I'm going to compile all the picks I have gotten from him and will post the results. It's going to take some time as there's a lot of picks but I'll post them when I get it done.Originally posted by bearsfan54Comment -
I just posted them allComment -
TThat would be appreciated raider guy thanksComment -
Guy seems pretty good ocerall
Only issue I see with him , when Dogs win , he says always bet 15% on ML. At least on twitter..Does anyone who have their service get told to play ML on all the dog plays ? Is that in on the overall total ? That's a shitload of ML plays over a year with him.Comment -
When that dog loses outright i NEVER see him tally it up (the sprinkle) in the overall grade of the play. NEVER.Originally posted by Slipknot26Comment -
He's having a nice day today so far though. Props to him for that.Comment -
Thank you for the info
Just noticed Texas +650 ML at 15%
But no 15% ML loss on UCM , Illinois , MTSU or any of them that lost today. He has Navy too.
So that's 4 dogs that will lose 15% on the ML sprinkle. So yea , that is fkn huge .
Playing 15% ML on all dogs , he plays a good bit too will drastically change his total numbers over the year.
Just wondering , figured it was only the "Winning " ML's.
Thanks again for the detail and info raiderguy
Best of luck to you
Be best if he didn't use the ML at all to be honest. You won't make bank playing them all but you can't play just the winners either.Comment -
ML sprinkles are not counted in record but are suggested by him to play 15% I've had his service for about 6 months and he's legit and honest can't ask for moreComment -
He is streaky both ways. Pricey investment too. Need to bet very high for it to be worth itComment -
I don't doubt he's good nor his record.
Just questioning the playing of all ML dogs though.
Let's say the following : For giggles , of course.
4U or $400 on all dogs he plays , so you're putting $60 or 15% extra on every ML dog. Yes , that could be costly over time with every loss.
Sure you hit on occasion but the ones that loss kinda knocks that 4U down to 3.4U since you bet the ML as well at 15% . Isn't that correct or am I missing something with this ?
To which , I just thought best not to do it unless he hits enough percentage to cover all the ML losses at 15 %.
Thank you for all the information about his serviceComment -
I totally agree with you about not doing the ML "sprinkle." Risky move without seeing the records or those plays.Comment -
He's lights fkn out today , that's for sure.
Take away the ML , he's like 10-3 @ 4U per pop or something like that.
He's doing something right hahaComment -
Vipers service is legit. Been with him / them way before doc’s sports and has been money bags for me this year. I started betting $50 a unit with them, got me up 30k, and then started on $100 a unit now and nearing my 50k mark.. Honest dude too. always happy to advise his clients on twitter. I generally fking hate touts, been thru em all but found a diamond in the rough for sure. hope this helps... in other news... GO DODGERS!Comment -
Dude just had a 15-3 weekend, after a 4-0 NFL sweep tonight too... #TailingComment -
Ok, I finally got around to tally up the results of the picks I have gotten from Western Viper. I started getting picks in early September and these are the results up through tonight's games.
MLB: 54-59 for -34.27 units.
NFL: 28-23 for +22.8 units.
CFB: 38-38 for -4.4 units.
NHL: 3-2 for +.4 units.
NBA: 1-1 for -1.2 units.
UFC/Boxing: 3-3 for +9.2 units.
Futures: 0-2 for -5 units.
The futures results isn't really a true accurate record because he has some pending. The big one is what this thread where he has 16 units pending (risking 34 units) on Toronto winning this series. He also has KC winning their series 6 units pending (risking 7.8). He also has the Royals at +500 to win the world series (risking 4 units to win 20). A few NFL futures are Balt +2500 and NO +4000 to win the Super Bowl. Those are pretty much -8 units as a loss which I haven't included in the results. I think he mentioned he had Houston to win the WS at +1100, but that was before I came aboard.
The -5 units in the results are from his Pitt to win the world series at +1400 (-4 units) and STL to win the series at +300 today (-1 unit).
So there you have it. Those are the results with no BS, just facts and results categorized into each sport. Could you say it's a sample size? Perhaps. But it's still over 250 picks. What would I like to see happen to Western Viper? I would like to see a more transparent record keeping. One where you put your games up 5 minutes after the games start, and keep them up. I don't see why he can't do it. He says he's a great capper, his results say they are but can we believe them? I'm not some newbie on the block that'll just take his word for it. I'll continue to track him as long as I get the picks. I have nothing against him, would just like to see a little more transparency.Comment -
As far as you could tell, has he be keeping accurate totals or is he one of these guys that forget to add some losses in ??? Thanks for doing those totalsComment -
16u in my pocket
I've been with Viper since te beggining and he's solid. Just cashed in with Jays 16u too!!! (Party Time) and he's well up over 600u. I track all his plays myself with a spreadsheet and never noticed any BS from him... As far as tracking his plays, he puts them all up just after games start on his page at 'Doc's Sports', so the full transparency he preaches is truth.Comment -
Bullshit. You must not have been paying attention when he pulled some sly deceiving tout bullshit. I'll tell you what happened. He was keeping track of his plays on his site. He did his 16 unit NYG ML play where he hit it but was also tracking a bunch of MLB plays at the same time. When it looked like he was going to lose all his MLB plays that day, he suddenly erased all the tracking of of MLB plays and called it "football thursday" plays instead of tracking all his plays. Those MLB plays would've lost more then that NFL ML play. I actually e-mailed Doc's about it. They said they were gone for the weekend but would get back to me. But they never did. How could they have explained themselves pulling that move.Originally posted by L.A
Bearsfan54. It's hard to tell if it's accurate or not without real true transparency. And it's not just WV, it's a lot of touts. Most of them are scared to show their results. They're afraid of having to show the truth IMO.Comment -
been tracking him for a while now.. he goes on his runs.. but the thing with me.. He says a $100 bettor is up so and so... HOW THE HECK IS $100 bettor up whatever he is 638 units if he's playing $400 or more a play? Thats NOT $100 per game. thats where is BS is at. and it bothers mean every time he posts that because its not the truth at all.. the $100 bettor is making that on his plays and its very deceivingComment -
Raider. I’m not here to say that Doc’s don’t do a bunch of advertising stuff because they do, and i’m sure that’s what the whole football thursday thing you say is all about, but hey I don’t know. All i know is this.. I wager $100 per unit, so bet $400 per game (on average) he releases, 1u and 2u plays also, and I like how he doesn’t do what all the other shit heads at doc’s do, which is release shit tons of maximum 8u plays etc. I’ve been with almost all of them, and been ****** over time and time again. but honestly, no homo, but he’s been the real deal, for me. He’s a long-term investment, and goes on his runs, and sometimes struggles but man.. i’m on $400 on most games and made tens of thousands with him. I’m not here telling you to get his service, or what, but i have a ton of respect for the guy (or the team) and he always hits me back on twitter if i have questions, or bad lines and gives me the advise i need.
End of the day... what is it we all want from these touts? honesty and PROFITS above all. all these fuckers lie, and none of them can win a shit... but, i have no complaints from this service. and he’s a KILLER with basketball.. did you see his college basketball results last year? Holy penetrate... lol, you can even email doc and ask for his tracked spreadsheet, and you will see. Do what you want guys, I respect him and he’s proven me right for almost a year now. Anyway, all this shit aside... GO DODGERS TOMORROW NIGHT!Comment -
All good L.A. I'm here to track him and see for myself. I think he could be good. I just want to see myself. GL everybody who follows. We all want to kick the bookie's ass in the end. I'll periodically posts up to date results after a week or two to show how he's doing.Comment -
For sure Raider. We all want winners, but this guy has saved me financially in a bunch of ways so have a ton of respect for him and not about to post his plays for free here... Although, if it helps for tracking for you guys he has these plays tonight -
Saints +4
Tigers -1
Panthers -130 (regulation)
Islanders -110 (2u)
all others were 4u releases.
He posts them on his page after games start anyways.Comment -
Yeah I got em L.A. He did very well today with the sweep. I'll post updates every week or two to show how he's doing.Comment -
OK I gotta call you out Viper on the lines you're getting. You posted Cleveland at +4.5, the line is 3.5. You posted Buffalo at 3.5,the line is 3. You said to buy a .5 pt for Arizona down to 3 but the line is 4. I can see a tout getting a better line once in a while but everytime??!! C'mon now. It happens all the time with his CFB and NHL too. It's getting ridiculous.Comment -
And I checked multiple books: pinny, BOL, 5 dimes, my pph site. I have no idea where he's getting these favorable lines. Frustrating to say the least.Comment -
Raider.. How many books do you use? I messaged Viper on Twitter and he told me that he gives out lines that are available at books we can all get access to. He told me to use as many books as possible, and I locked in all of those numbers.. The 4.5 was available at Sportsbook.ag ... The Arizona line was available at 3.5 also at Bovada.. There’s no doubt the lines he gives out are available if you look. Can’t say this has ever been a problem for me... Apart from one NHL line I couldn’t find. Hope this helps.Comment -
Here are the results so far that I have on Western Viper since I have been getting picks.
MLB: 61-60 -15.03 units
NFL: 35-27 +28.2 units
CFB: 49-48 -15.3 units
NHL: 11-19 -43.7 units
NBA: 7-7 -6 units
Futures: 2-2 +17 units
UFC/Boxing: 4-3 +13.2 units
Total: 169-166 -21.63 units
So far there's nothing to write home about. With over 330+ picks he's negative. And that's hitting two different 16 unit picks. Other then that he's been sub par. I know what the supporters are going to say. They'll say you jumped on at the wrong time. I just find it funny that every time somebody gets accurate accounting done it says a different story then their website or twitter account. It just reinforces the importance of true transparency. And true transparency isn't what anybody at Docs does. They track "behind the scenes" and will only let you see winning seasons. True transparency is what RAS does. He puts up every pick 5 minutes after a game has started. And he keeps it up whether it wins or loses. No need to hide anything. And RAS isn't the only guy who shows true transparency. There are many other touts who do the same thing. There's no reason anybody at Docs doesn't do the same thing. But what they do at Docs is an old trick that most newbies fall for: Pump up the wins and hide the losses.
I will continue to track the plays as long as I get them and will report back in a few weeks.Comment
