PSA: BehindTheBets - Fraud/Scammer

[CaddyCapper]

Posting to bring awareness and prevent others from Rance Young and his service, BehindtheBets.org. Rance claims he's transparent and a huge winner year after year but has been caught changing his records numerous times. He's never produced a bet slip to show that he even bets his plays and nobody in Vegas has ever heard of this "Rance Young" huge bettor.

In fact, there was an account that a member set up on Twitter called
where he publicly updated Rance's records, which clearly showed Rance changed stats, counted wins when they weren't there, and counted pushes as wins, etc. To try to brush this account off, Rance tried to claim that this user threated his family/hacked his PayPal and email, which he never could prove. It was his lame attempt at trying to discredit this user. As of yesterday morning, Rance hacked this
account and deleted it. Shady, no?

If you follow
plays, you'll notice he's high volume. In fact, all NBA season he was betting 1.5 units/game and was down going into the last 10% of the NBA season when he increased his bets to 3units/game to try to get unstuck. When questioned, his response was .."I have a better feel for the game now".

Rance also claimed his "NHL" guy bets $20,000 per game. When use
mysteriously appeared on Twitter and Rance claimed that was his NHL guy, Bet_Sharp tried selling picks for $100 year. Really? A $20k/game better selling picks for $100 to Twitter followers? More like it's Rance's new attempt to generate revenue.

Rance also used a "cancer" story and the fact that he donated all membership fees to charity as a form to lure in new members. Not once has he produced evidence that he donated these funds and avoids the subject when questioned. He also claims that in Vegas any OT games don't count as losses. Really? What books are you working with that it doesn't count as a loss? Of course, he marks those as wins and never provided proof of this.

Please use this thread as caution and as awareness when dealing with Rance. I also have other evidence that I can present later. When Rance see's this thread, he'll do his usual "It's some troll who's mad" response. Instead of trying to brush off, we need to see proof of the donations from your membership fees and some bet slips.

[Ironman07]

I have been a member for over a year and will throw in my input. Rance changed the unit ratings in mid stream last year which added over 30 units to his record. a number of members asked how the plays would be rated by units and then all the records changed. Also some of the lines he has posted would not be available with a reasonable number of off shores. there were a number of games posted as winners that were actually pushes. sometime he would wait days or even weeks to update his record page and there were quite a few wrong numbers. I believe they have won units and are positive just not near the records posted and lines posted. i have no dog in this fight just my observations.

[Ol-G-Parker]

You mean a guy who copy a popular espn personality chad millman podcast name and uses it as his isnt a red flag to begin? He stole name because it would be popular and pull up in google search and help his brand. Rance also claim every single penny goes to charity I would love to see some proof of that. Another sham marketin trick in my opinion using the charity line with no proof.

[Thizz]

I'll chime in here on the donations claim. I donated to a charity of my choice and provided him a receipt which he honoured as payment for his service. That's pretty legit of him to do so, and more than what I can say for other touts. I cant verify his records though, generally I feel he pretty transparent but there have been errors, but not material enough to call him shady. He does play too much volume which I'm not a fan of.

[CaddyCapper]

I'll chime in here on the donations claim. I donated to a charity of my choice and provided him a receipt which he honoured as payment for his service. That's pretty legit of him to do so, and more than what I can say for other touts. I cant verify his records though, generally I feel he pretty transparent but there have been errors, but not material enough to call him shady. He does play too much volume which I'm not a fan of.

He's used the "Show me chartiy donation receipt" to try to gain credibility. It's easy to just allow someone access to an account that he posts picks on that he throws darts to land. When called out on the other donations, he calls people trolls and never address the situation.

There WAS and account on Twitter as of yesterday until Rance hacked it because his records got exposed. Anytime he's on a bad run he doesn't update and waits until people forget, then he'll update it and change records. He's notorious for blocking/threatening people who call him out as well, which is why I'm rallying the community behind this and exposing him for what he is, a thief and scammer.

Edit: Just now he got called out on where he got a certain Live line and he said he's using 9 live books and one mysteriously gave him a winning line.

Behindthebets is a thief.
Behindthebets is a scammer.

[Thizz]

Thief and Scammer? Sounds pretty harsh. I agree that the records arent kept up to date, however overall he has been profitable. This thread appears to be a specific shot at Rance, trust me there are many other touts that should be on the top of the scammer/thief list. ANyone that uses these services should be doing their own due diligence before purchasing. If they arent tracked by a third party, then you need to track for yourself, tailing services 101!

[CaddyCapper]

Thief and Scammer? Sounds pretty harsh. I agree that the records arent kept up to date, however overall he has been profitable. This thread appears to be a specific shot at Rance, trust me there are many other touts that should be on the top of the scammer/thief list. ANyone that uses these services should be doing their own due diligence before purchasing. If they arent tracked by a third party, then you need to track for yourself, tailing services 101!

If you can't provide proof you've donated all memberships to charity, I'd say he's a thief and scammer. Also the fact that he hacked and deleted the Twitter account and made threats simply shows he didn't want the exposure it was releasing because it was hurting new sign ups. If all is legit, he should have no problem providing proof of his charity donations as well as proof that he actually bets his plays, as well as proof that he somehow gets wins pushes and wins if a game goes to OT. He simply can't prove any of this and continues to scam new members.

I do my due diligence and haven't followed him in almost 12 months as soon as I recognized his record changing/shadiness and is why I'm bringing recognition and speaking up for everyone, so they can do their own.

[dustroy]

he also claims that he has a book that doesn't count overtime or extra innings on his totals bets. so any unders that he's played that lost, he just had marked as pushes... and he claims that the book vids him only -111 for this service...

yeah OKAY...

[Ironman07]

for the longest the running results were way off till they said after all the games were played that they used a book that didnt count overtime. gave themself all the games they lost after the fact and they changed the units they were rating plays well after the fact.. those 2 changes alone added more wins than I could keep track of. Agreed they claim multilple books to grade plays with lines that not available.

[tecmoslayer]

Market Influence 100%

[BradMiller]

I am an old subscriber, followed his bets for a couple of months, during which he has had a horrible run.
After that, I no longer paid much attention to his work; too many plays, almost always dogs.
Anyway, I think the service isn't accurate, not a fraud.
I was actually surprised he has not produced evidence of donations.

[CaddyCapper]

I am an old subscriber, followed his bets for a couple of months, during which he has had a horrible run.
After that, I no longer paid much attention to his work; too many plays, almost always dogs.
Anyway, I think the service isn't accurate, not a fraud.
I was actually surprised he has not produced evidence of donations.

He's changed the records numerous times as stated. The Twitter account tracked his plays and detailed his old inaccuracies, which Rance failed to address when questioned. Rance proceeded to hack this account and ultimately deleted it, which should be getting more attention. I'd love to see Rance address these allegations and prove his donations as well as his "books" that give him the overtimes benefits that he counts as pushes.

[soto]

Is their proof that he hacked the twitter account? Just no way you could know that. Too many people with agendas too believe anyone here

[CaddyCapper]

Is their proof that he hacked the twitter account? Just no way you could know that. Too many people with agendas too believe anyone here

I do have very significant proof of this. It's also the reason he's went stone cold silent when people bring this up to him. If you followed the account, you'll know he was very adamant about outing Rance's records. Nothing benefited Rance more than closing this account.

[PBT08]

You are the guy that runs this fraud site. That's pretty clear

[Robopoc]

Rance Young is not a scammer nor a fraud. He's one of the best, legitimate cappers out there. His members are encouraged to point out mistakes in record keeping. When they do, they're thanked not crucified.

Caddy is probably some pissed off gambler who uses shitty money management and tailed Rance during a cold streak. Rance plays a lot of volume, it's common for there to be cold and hot streaks. At the end of the year though, Rance comes out comfortably ahead. Proven for years. He also gave his picks away on Twitter for free for years before the creation of BTB (which at first offered lifetime membership for $50). If Rance were giving out shitty picks, he wouldn't have the amount of members that he does today.