Going into today he has their groups figure at 42,350 in the last 19 months that a 100 dollar bettor has won. They are a combined 0-6 with a ton of juice losses today and I am going to keep close eye on that number and I would bet my life it doesn't adjust properly.
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Sheep Bury's wrong number.
Don't c any twitter chat from them. When they win it's nonstop. All decent juice. Yikes!!!Comment -
haven't seen em lie yet but thank you for your future work, keep us posted.Comment -
Had zero issue with PGF for 9months now. Honest & profitable. Are they loud when they win, yes but thats marketing imo so i dont pay much attention to it. Bottom line is all that matters. Always glad to see folks double check but the tone of "im going to expose this fraud" thread title reeks of someone with an ax to grind. PGF rarely releases big juice plays thats more sheep & occassionally Tiger. I also think people incorrectly assume he's laying "more" on higher odds, PGF's unit 90% of his plays are the exact same everyplay.
I'm all for tracking him & all the animals independently. However, coming in after an 0-6 stretch & claiming thats the proof hardly screams sample size. PGF was 16-4 prior to his latest 3-4 run. But was 1-7 prior to that & 9-2 prior to that. Or 29-17 (i may have missed a game as ive been traveling over the last several weeks. If you'd cherry picked during either run good or bad it wouldnt give you an accurate picture of his plays.
Track him for 90 days & the numbers good or bad will speak for thenselves.Comment -
if u've been with him for 9 months then how much are u up? Seems like a reasonable question.Originally posted by utilted
And did u even slow down enough to read his post. He said he bets the the number doesn't adjust properly with an o-6 run and a lot of juice. It helps to keep on the subject. Just saying.Comment -
I read his post & if you read mine you'd have seen it stayed on subject. I made mention of 0-6 & that PGF doesnt adjust his plays or lay crazy juice. So a hundred dollar bet is the same for him if he's laying -130, -110 or +120. He also never made mention if PGF's record he's claiming is false was PGF's record, or all the animals combined? He tweets about both. My point was if you come in swinging with a thread "This guy is a fraud", a guy who's made lots of ppl $ on here long term. You better bring more then wild acqusatuons & small 0-6 samples. I'm all for discussion & tracking it just needs to be done unbiased & longterm.
Reading comprehension, just saying.
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The 9 months with PGF i've made 3 withdrawls from my shop & no redeposits. I play other stuff outside of just PGF "trails" & the animals (Tiger primarily in 2014). However, strictly % ive increased my bankroll since being with PGF stands about at 23% increase currently.Comment -
I been with tiger a little more than 2 weeks down 2.8% wagering 2% a play not good but not horribly bad.Originally posted by UtiltedComment -
He is saying 41,126 now on twitter. Does that look correct after last 2 days?Originally posted by DJ4372Comment -
"How I failed to prove anything and actually these Animals are really good by DJ4372
Hey everyone remember this thread by "DJ4372" (likely bitter shill or tout) who somehow disappeared after only two weeks of trying "expose these frauds". Wish the moderators could go back into the title thread and just rename it:
"How I failed to prove anything and actually these Animals are really good & do nothing but earn profit for their followers; and I'm like a fraud shill tout that I was accusing PGF of being" (wordy I know but far more accurate imo)Comment -
tiger
Now up 10%Comment -
this member "untilted" who has several comments in this thread, go read every thread about PFG and yup, he's there's untilted defending him. can you say SHILL? every single post saying anything bad about PFG there is untilted to be sure he says how much he loves the service and how well they are doing. if you didn't already know, these guys play heavy juice and say there line is about 20-30 cents lower each play. do the math, playing -150 favorites at -120 is a winning prop long-term. only problem is, you CAN'T play -150 favs at -120, except in fantasy land. if you guys spend few minutes, you can see who is legit and who is fake. these clowns, clearly fakeComment -
PGF is the only animal that spouts out how much money he has won the bettor. That should make sense why he releases the worst (most favorable for him) lines of them all. I am not saying that he is down, but he definitely hasn't won the $100 bettor what he touts.Comment -
this is how I decide who is real and fake since following the animals last couple months up about 3 k don't give a shit about how the line has changed these guys win more than they lose even with the juice if you don't like them fade and see how that works out for you.Comment -
That's all that matters. I'm glad you're winning with them.Originally posted by WHYFOUL!Comment -
I've faded the picks before and had a nice overall profit. if people want to waste money and find out, feel free. On their "-130" picks, the juice the other way is +160 so do the simple math. these clowns can't hit 50% so fading them will be profitable long-term. any shill accounts that pop up aren't fooling us with the "i'm up over 3k and I don't even care that they give me bad lines" lmao. I bet he doesn't even realize how dumb that soundsComment -
They don't seem the fudge their record at all but and I would have to question anyone fading them and actually making money. Biggest issue with them is the lines they give out are not available most of the timeComment -
Soto, you kind of answered your own question. the lines aren't available right? that seems to be a given because even their shill accounts are saying that. so, when they tell you to be angels at -130, the true line is -160. now, the W/L will be the same but the money will not. you will lose your ass off losing the -160 prices. on the flip side, on their angels -130 play, that means the dog is +150 so there is money made fading the play long term. this is with baseball. now, in football, it gets even worse. they give out +7's on games that have +5.5's and now, the W/L's will not be the same because, the extra point they are giving themselves could make them win and you lose. so yes, their record is fudged. If they play a "phantom" +7 on chiefs and you play chiefs +5.5 because that's all that's available and KC loses by 6, they win and you lose, on the same play. you are 0-1 and they are 1-0. that's a fudged record in my book. spend your money on them guys. no skin off my nose. I already how this story ends.Comment -
Anyone that says that PGF and the animals dont play high juice is either a shill or retarded. They all release juiced plays many of which are never available. PGF usually is .5 off at least on every play. ex he says 9.5 then the best you can do is 9. he says -125 the best you can do is -150 or higher. not saying fraud just saying they release unavailable lines and juice. anyone that really subs to their picks will agree with me. so that in itself means that his number of 40k+ is inaccurate. Cant tell you what the real number is tho. Wouldnt call him a fraud but would call him a little dishonestComment -
you can't fade these guys. they will win . the question is how much. their lines will be diff from ours. doesn't mean we won't win over the long run. we just win a bit lessComment -
Ive faded sheep for 2 months now and have won a pretty penny. mainly because the + juice is always good. I remember him having big ML plays during the nba playoffs and I was able to fade and hit some big dogs. Also would fade mayes and runner a couple months ago and killed it. Tiger is the only one I would actually follow for now but remember regression will eventually rear its ugly headComment -
take a look at every thread with anything bad about them and "utilted" is there to say how much he loves them lmaoOriginally posted by gmen4life
you nailed it. they are frauds because their record is off non existent #'s. so that $40k doesn't exist. who's winning 40k from them? lol "untilted"?? lmaoComment -
fade them and get paid doggie style!!!Originally posted by gmen4lifeComment -
So do you fade every single Sheep and PGF play? Or just pick and choose?Originally posted by gmen4lifeComment -
Also in another thread there is someone that has been tracking using "available lines". Seemed like all but Rooster were in the positive.Comment -
Me. Tracked em all year using available lines.. All up on the year even Rooster. Some lines are bogus but sometimes I find the opposite. For example yesterday, sheep sent out stl 1st 5 (-125) and I got it for (-115). And for the over in nym/pit 1st 5 he sent out over 4(-130) and my two books best I saw was at 4.5. Same with Rooster sending out Tor -170. The best I saw at that time was -185. I always use the lines I got when calculating. So unless you are just picking and choosing some of the bigger juice games which the animals have lost quite a few on, you'd be down a ton of money fading each pick from the animals on the year. Especially Sheep and Tiger.Originally posted by sotoComment
