houston family refuses to pay tip

[iQon]

[frogsrangers]

i agree with what a lot of you guys have been saying about the 5 person rule at this place, it seems ridiculous the industry standard is around 8 and 15%. tip is short for "to insure promptness" which defeats the purpose of a built in gratuity,but if you are in someones house, you follow their rules.i cant believe the manager let this get so out of hand though, hopefully hes been fired already.

Tip does not stand for to insure promptness, tip is a word derived from some european country that basically means "drink money". It started by lower end employees at a venue such as a bar to be compensated so they could get a drink or two after work when normally they wouldn't make enough money to be able to.

All you anti tipping types, I dare you to take your anti tipping ways to Las Vegas and see what happens to you there. When I was there last month I talked to the valets, bellman, etc. and they gave me some great stories of what they do to cheap asses. Such as those who stiffed the bellman had their luggage mysteriously "lost" or scattered all over their room. Or valets who got stiffed parking the customer's car in the deep deep farthest spot in the garage or pulling down their pants and rubbing their bare sweaty ass all over the seats.

If you are going to stiff people or tip them shitty then don't expect to be treated like royalty in return. It's like people who pay $10 for a car wash and expect a complete and total 100% flawless detail. If you want that kind of service you are going to have to pay extra.

I reccomend this book about tipping, its great: http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Change-Cl...6094277&sr=8-1

[FuzzyDunlop]

http://artofmanliness.com/2008/06/24/gentlemans-guide-how-much-should-tip/

[frogsrangers]

There is a good chance these people were planning on not tipping no matter what and didn't get away with it. I, like many others in here, are sick of tipping culture though.

If someone who is just doing their job, has a tip jar in front of them for no reason, and asks me "what about a tip?" I reach in my pocket and pull out my middle finger.

I agree that a lot of places don't need tip jars and I am tired of seeing those pop up. I saw a tip jar at a freaking Jack in the Box and at a McDonalds at the airport.... seriously?

But other industries its a standard. And if you don't tip, unless the service is HORRIBLE, you are simply a douche bag and there is no excuse. I don't care. A lot of foreigners who come to our hotel never tip anyone, not our valets/bellman/room service people, because they don't do it in their country. Well guess what dipshit, in America we tip. Don't like it don't come here.

I have worked in tipping jobs since I was 16(I am 24 now) and I have seen it all. I have been tipped $20 by people driving tin cans on wheels and stiffed by people driving a Rolls Royce. But in general I have been at it long enough to know what is proper and what isn't. And if you are one of those anti-tipping types you will get yours one day some how.

[cruzing vato]

eff that! If the food or service sucks aint no tip holmes

[frogsrangers]

eff that! If the food or service sucks aint no tip holmes

How is bad food the fault of the server?

Also bad service is not always the server's fault. What if the kitchen screwed up the order? Going to take that out on the server?

[thetrinity]

Frogs i did some investigating of how the word tip originated, i got my explanation (to insure promptness) and also some claims its a form of the latin to give. Anyways i hate when people beg for more tips. I was at the casino playin some blackjack the dealer gave me about 5 or 6 straight winners heads up and said i had better be hookin her up when im done (i guess i didnt matter i was still way down for the day) anyways i got up and left right there. Probably the only time in my life i ever stiffed anyone completely on a tip.

[TheCentaur]

All you anti tipping types, I dare you to take your anti tipping ways to Las Vegas and see what happens to you there. When I was there last month I talked to the valets, bellman, etc. and they gave me some great stories of what they do to cheap asses. Such as those who stiffed the bellman had their luggage mysteriously "lost" or scattered all over their room. Or valets who got stiffed parking the customer's car in the deep deep farthest spot in the garage or pulling down their pants and rubbing their bare sweaty ass all over the seats.

This is why tipping is a bad custom over all. People say tipping ensures good service, but I think it actually turns people into hustler scumbags. Vegas is the worst.


If you think about it, almost every job in the economy involves doing something for someone else to get their money. Any of these jobs that involve face to face interaction it could be determined are tip worthy, the difference is that the tipping jobs are a combination of lower level experience/education of the employee and cheap employers (at some point these jobs went from full pay to below min wage + tips) looking for a way to pass costs on to the consumer. I have waited tables before btw.

The best are strippers that ask for a tip above the cost of the dance.

[andywend]

One of my close friends has been waiting tables for the majority of his adult life and the stigma of blacks being poor tippers is 100% accurate. They don't tip black waiters a whole lot better than non-black waiters.

My friend told me about the same black family coming in every Friday night with the bill winding up in the $150 area each meal with the tip always the same at $5 no matter the quality of service.

The manager handled the situation quite differently than the manager at this LA Fisherman restaurant as he would add $20 to the tip each Friday.

Not surprisingly, this black family would keep the waiter running all night and complained all the time as to the service they received but kept coming back because they liked the food.

Knowing this family would come in Friday nights, the manager would rotate where they sit so the same server never had to serve them in back-to-back weeks. MY friend told me that many waiters would call in sick when it was their turn to wait on them due to the incredible irritation of the whole thing.

Think about how hard it must be for waiters when they KNOW they are going to basically get stiffed and have to deal with these people constantly running them around all night.

It must be AWFUL.

[frogsrangers]

One of my close friends has been waiting tables for the majority of his adult life and the stigma of blacks being poor tippers is 100% accurate. They don't tip black waiters a whole lot better than non-black waiters.

My friend told me about the same black family coming in every Friday night with the bill winding up in the $150 area each meal with the tip always the same at $5 no matter the quality of service.

The manager handled the situation quite differently than the manager at this LA Fisherman restaurant as he would add $20 to the tip each Friday.

Not surprisingly, this black family would keep the waiter running all night and complained all the time as to the service they received but kept coming back because they liked the food.

Knowing this family would come in Friday nights, the manager would rotate where they sit so the same server never had to serve them in back-to-back weeks. MY friend told me that many waiters would call in sick when it was their turn to wait on them due to the incredible irritation of the whole thing.

Think about how hard it must be for waiters when they KNOW they are going to basically get stiffed and have to deal with these people constantly running them around all night.

It must be AWFUL.

Pretty much.... every Friday we get a black couple in a brand new Jaguar come in and never tip... its not like they don't have the money. Whether it be when I waited tables or valeted, we would try to send black people to serve the black customers but they never tip any better. I don't think its because of race reasons but ignorance. I think it fits my theory that blacks simply do not know how to tip or they are supposed to, because they were never taught how growing up or taught that its customary.

One night I was working at a restaraunt where on weekends the clientelle is 80% black... we decided to keep track. We parked 68 cars that black customers came in and 49 of them stiffed us. That means only 19 of 68 tipped us and we made 45 dollars of the 19 who did tip us. And that counted a $20 we got from one customer who wanted us to leave his Escalade up front. So techinally 25 dollars in the 18 who did tip us which is a pathetic $1 per car.

[andywend]

Pretty much.... every Friday we get a black couple in a brand new Jaguar come in and never tip... its not like they don't have the money. Whether it be when I waited tables or valeted, we would try to send black people to serve the black customers but they never tip any better. I don't think its because of race reasons but ignorance. I think it fits my theory that blacks simply do not know how to tip or they are supposed to, because they were never taught how growing up or taught that its customary.

One night I was working at a restaraunt where on weekends the clientelle is 80% black... we decided to keep track. We parked 68 cars that black customers came in and 49 of them stiffed us. That means only 19 of 68 tipped us and we made 45 dollars of the 19 who did tip us. And that counted a $20 we got from one customer who wanted us to leave his Escalade up front. So techinally 25 dollars in the 18 who did tip us which is a pathetic $1 per car.

If this is the norm, I don't see how you could continue to work there night after night.

It must be incredibly irritating and I bet those that stiff you treat you far worse than those that tip. I could never put up with that though I am more impatient than most.

[QuantumLeap]

this would be an interesting case of the false imprisonment tort.

Wow! Third page before someone mentions this. That's the first thing that went through my mind.

[frogsrangers]

If this is the norm, I don't see how you could continue to work there night after night.

It must be incredibly irritating and I bet those that stiff you treat you far worse than those that tip. I could never put up with that though I am more impatient than most.

We make a bulk of our money by selling spots on the drive(instead of parking it in the garage) for $20 a pop. I usually make $150-$225 on a Friday night on the backs of selling spots up front. A lot of high rollers(and wannabee high rollers) want to leave their cars up top.

In fact, the highest tips I get are from blacks, but those are the rich blacks such as pro athletes or rappers who throw money around to impress people. The ones who roll up in tricked out Escalades and just hand everyone 20s like its candy.

[thetrinity]

Michael jordan is a notorious stiff ive heard. Barkley supposedly a great tipper. I think black rappers and guys like maywaether wuld tip well because they want people talking about how much cash tney have.

[TheCentaur]

I tipped a bell girl in Vegas 5 ones for holding my luggage one time and she refused the tip, I guess because she saw the ones and got pissed

[antifoil]

Wow! Third page before someone mentions this. That's the first thing that went through my mind.

most people just like to complain and don't actually think about things which is why this was not mentioned. hivemind and all that.

there is a shop keeper exception defense to the tort, but it has to be a reasonable amount of time for the person to be held.

i find it interesting because the shop keeper exception is, as far as i know, for when the business suspects the person of stealing property, but is that really the case here? i think it could depend on if a contract was formed between the two parties not only to pay the food, but the gratitude amount presumable placed on the menu, and if it would be a clause the eating party agreed to be in the contract. there also could be a issue of constructive notice vs. actual notice of the party seeing the clause unless the waiter told them there would be added gratitude to which they consented to by ordering. i find this very interesting indeed.

[frogsrangers]

Michael jordan is a notorious stiff ive heard. Barkley supposedly a great tipper. I think black rappers and guys like maywaether wuld tip well because they want people talking about how much cash tney have.

Famous people who I have valeted/waited on:

Joaquin Benoit(Tigers pitcher) = Good tipper
Michael Crabtree = STIFFER. He stiffed us 4 times in a row(even though we left his tricked out H2 up top) and then we started to put his ass in the garage and when he found out he made a HUGE scene. Needless to say he doesn't come anymore.
Felix Jones = STIFFER. Another who drives an H2 and didn't tip
Dez Bryant = STIFFER. Did not tip us a dime yet we left him up top
Emmitt Smith = Only tipped us $3 and drives a Land Rover
Shawn Marion = Good tipper
Nolan Ryan = Tipped only $5 one time and then stiffed as another time
Jerry Jones = Good tipper
Kawhi Leonard = Good tipper
Troy Aikman = Amazing tipper
Mark McLemore(old Rangers 2B) = Good tipper
Coco Crisp = Good tipper
Bobby Valentine = Great tipper
Kevin Youkilis = Great tipper
Jeremiah Wright(Obama pastor) = Didn't valet with us but ate at the restauraunt and I heard he was a 20%er so good tipper
Mike Modano = Great tipper
Jason Terry = Great tipper

[InTheDrink]

i had some friends in a group of 8 ask the manager to not put the 18% on there. he refused. so they all ordered water, split 2 apps and stayed there 3 hours and wasted the waiters time and took up 3 tables. total was like $15. so the waiter got his $2.70 tip and they left.

congratulations, your friends are douchebags...great story

nothing like making a moronic point about the business's rules on some poor slob making $2.13 an hour.

this entire thread basically proves that sbr is 90% lowlifes. though i'd have to say I'm disappointed because i expected 95%.

[Jerm3462]

You're wrong.

The whole timing of your table becomes harder when there is a delicate piece of meat involved. It needs to be cooked perfectly. Your server controls this timing.

For every steak ordered, I hand polish your steak knife.

A burger may just be dropped off, no problem. A steak will be explained, letting the patron know how the steak is prepared and why it has been paired with the other items on the plate.

Here is the Angus Beef Tenderloin at my spot:



8 oz certified Angus Beef tenderloin aged 30 days. Hand rubbed with ancho- pepper then grilled to your specifications topped with a green peppercorn demi-glace and served with garlic mashed potatoes & seasonal vegetables.

I'd be fuking livid if you came and put this on.my table.

2 pieces of asparagus??????

Who am I? Ally McBeal?

8oz steak my ass.

[stuntin909]

lol. i work at a country club where the 15% is automatically added on ALL BILLS and a line for extra gratuity exists. i have walked out with $400 in a 4 hour shift before but normally around 100-150. real easy job though.

we do a good job so not once has anyone complained about the auto 15% on all parties. we know we got it good so don't get lazy. normally we get kicked down an extra 10-50 per table which adds up fast.

[RunningMan7]

Shouldnt the discussion here be justification of a system where standard tips are built into the menu pricing? You only tip for exception service an extra 5%-10%. This way, a waiter is never stiffed and exceptional service will be rewarded some of the time, at least. If an optional charge is expected 99% of the time, then it is really not optional and there is reason to make it part of the standard pricing of the food item and salary of the waiter instead of this charade of voluntary tipping.

If I was an owner in a restaurant and I noticed that the area attracted a lot of people who did not tip at all or very little, then I would just raise menu prices and put up a note saying that tipping is not expected at the restaurant. Now this may drive some cheapskates from your restaurant, but you will have much happier waiters whose improved service and pay will attract other customers who welcome good service.

[Easy-Rider 66]

what kills me is that just cause i order a $40 steak compared to a $10 burger, i have to tip x% on the $30 difference. theres not gonna be one fukkin iota of the quality of service just cause i ordered a steak.

That's why I will tip a higher % if I am eating reasonably priced meals as opposed to at a fine steakhouse. Do not tip more than 15-20% with more expensive meals, but will tip 30-35% for a cheap meal. But if the service is poor that will reflect in the gratuity I leave.

[SharpBoxing]

Suprise, suprise

I kind off knew how they would look like before I saw their pics

[Ralphie Halves]

Michael jordan is a notorious stiff ive heard. Barkley supposedly a great tipper. I think black rappers and guys like maywaether wuld tip well because they want people talking about how much cash tney have.

I've heard different. Same Vegas restaurant as my last story, this happened before I worked there, but confirmed by everyone there.

Barkley and Jordan are in town. They both gamble, though Chuck gets all the pub for it. They come in late for drinks with an agent and a guy who was likely a bodyguard. Chuck pays and stiffs our bartender. MJ comes back five minutes later and said that he found out, and was sorry, and gave him $100. Then Chuck comes back in soon after, says "Mike aint gonna do me like that", and gives him $200. MJ came in about 30 minutes later as everything was being shut down, said something to the effect that Chuck will never get the best of him, and gave him $500. They were escorted by the huge guy each time.

Another one of a million Vegas stories (I have plenty myself, especially from my days at the Palms), but one that applies here, and was confirmed over and over.

[thetrinity]

Famous people who I have valeted/waited on:

Joaquin Benoit(Tigers pitcher) = Good tipper
Michael Crabtree = STIFFER. He stiffed us 4 times in a row(even though we left his tricked out H2 up top) and then we started to put his ass in the garage and when he found out he made a HUGE scene. Needless to say he doesn't come anymore.
Felix Jones = STIFFER. Another who drives an H2 and didn't tip
Dez Bryant = STIFFER. Did not tip us a dime yet we left him up top
Emmitt Smith = Only tipped us $3 and drives a Land Rover
Shawn Marion = Good tipper
Nolan Ryan = Tipped only $5 one time and then stiffed as another time
Jerry Jones = Good tipper
Kawhi Leonard = Good tipper
Troy Aikman = Amazing tipper
Mark McLemore(old Rangers 2B) = Good tipper
Coco Crisp = Good tipper
Bobby Valentine = Great tipper
Kevin Youkilis = Great tipper
Jeremiah Wright(Obama pastor) = Didn't valet with us but ate at the restauraunt and I heard he was a 20%er so good tipper
Mike Modano = Great tipper
Jason Terry = Great tipper

had a feeling he was a stiff/tightwad

[thetrinity]

I've heard different. Same Vegas restaurant as my last story, this happened before I worked there, but confirmed by everyone there.

Barkley and Jordan are in town. They both gamble, though Chuck gets all the pub for it. They come in late for drinks with an agent and a guy who was likely a bodyguard. Chuck pays and stiffs our bartender. MJ comes back five minutes later and said that he found out, and was sorry, and gave him $100. Then Chuck comes back in soon after, says "Mike aint gonna do me like that", and gives him $200. MJ came in about 30 minutes later as everything was being shut down, said something to the effect that Chuck will never get the best of him, and gave him $500. They were escorted by the huge guy each time.

Another one of a million Vegas stories (I have plenty myself, especially from my days at the Palms), but one that applies here, and was confirmed over and over.

alright i buy this story because of jordans competitive nature, but i still think this could be him trying to outdo barkley.

[yisman]

Wow! Third page before someone mentions this. That's the first thing that went through my mind.

most people just like to complain and don't actually think about things which is why this was not mentioned. hivemind and all that.

there is a shop keeper exception defense to the tort, but it has to be a reasonable amount of time for the person to be held.

i find it interesting because the shop keeper exception is, as far as i know, for when the business suspects the person of stealing property, but is that really the case here? i think it could depend on if a contract was formed between the two parties not only to pay the food, but the gratitude amount presumable placed on the menu, and if it would be a clause the eating party agreed to be in the contract. there also could be a issue of constructive notice vs. actual notice of the party seeing the clause unless the waiter told them there would be added gratitude to which they consented to by ordering. i find this very interesting indeed.

I don't think you read this thread very well. It was referenced on the first page (kidnapping). IMO, it was obviously illegal, but no reason to keep harping on it.

this entire thread basically proves that sbr is 90% lowlifes. though i'd have to say I'm disappointed because i expected 95%.

You prefer more?

Suprise, suprise

I kind off knew how they would look like before I saw their pics

I've heard different. Same Vegas restaurant as my last story, this happened before I worked there, but confirmed by everyone there.

Barkley and Jordan are in town. They both gamble, though Chuck gets all the pub for it.

Not true. Jordan is a well known gambler. Barkley just talks about it more.

[Gonz312]

Been to that place before. They have a sign at the entrance that says they dont split checks for groups and they add gratuity for parties over whatever it is. The one time i went with a larger group...the waitress even made this clear to us when she sat us. While the service wasnt great, wasnt horrible either...they did what they needed to do as servers imo.

And for the racists in the group..I will clarify this. Despite it being a cajun seafood place, it is not owned by nor white or black folks, but is owned and operated by asians. Would say 9/10 were asian...cute college aged asians in short shorts for the guys that like diversity.

And a final note...dont remember too well, but i also think its next door to a strip club.

[thetrinity]

Been to that place before. They have a sign at the entrance that says they dont split checks for groups and they add gratuity for parties over whatever it is. The one time i went with a larger group...the waitress even made this clear to us when she sat us. While the service wasnt great, wasnt horrible either...they did what they needed to do as servers imo.

And for the racists in the group..I will clarify this. Despite it being a cajun seafood place, it is not owned by nor white or black folks, but is owned and operated by asians. Would say 9/10 were asian...cute college aged asians in short shorts for the guys that like diversity.

And a final note...dont remember too well, but i also think its next door to a strip club.

i duno why people thought this was a mexican place, maybe because its in houston? glad this was cleared up. it sounds like they have a lot of problems with getting tipped. looks like a half decent atmosphere inside notwithstanding this chaos.

[blackbeSSt]

i duno why people thought this was a mexican place, maybe because its in houston? glad this was cleared up. it sounds like they have a lot of problems with getting tipped. looks like a half decent atmosphere inside notwithstanding this chaos.

probably the "La" in La Fisherman.

[Gonz312]

I always thought the "La" was for louisiana since its a cajun boil place, but who knows

[thetrinity]

probably the "La" in La Fisherman.

funny you mention that i thought it had something to do with los angeles

[Ryanloop]

I don't think you should have to pay a tip if you are not getting served. I am in the service industry and I give great service because that's what you arer there for to serve and make the customer happy and I feel you should earn a tip. Not just be handed to you because its a part of the restaurant policy. You not giving good service you are looking bad and making the restaurant look bad as well.

[InTheDrink]

You prefer more?

it was sarcasm

it's pretty clear that this 90% doesnt EVER go to a 4 star or better restaurant....and just like most fatties in america think, most morons here believe in quantity over quality

[Cookie Monster]

Tipping system is unfair in many levels. Besides the variability in income (good looking waiters typically get better tips), it allows tax under-reporting, does not benefit retirement plans, the customer may not get a refund of the tip on his business expenses, etc. I agree on tipping as an appreciation gift for an extraordinary service. But now it is more like an expected extra cost for a merely passable service. It is so expected that it is already distributed to the rest of the staff and taxed BEFORE it is done.

From a debate I read:

Tipping is absolutely an arbitrary practice. The practice of tipping simply allows the employer to shirk on the responsibility of paying the worker a living wage. Tipping is the practice of playing the worker and the consumer against each other to the benefit of the employer. This is what the employer gets: he gets to advertise an artificially low price, and he gets to pay his workers a low wage, keeping more profit for himself, because the consumers will pay the worker for him.


This is a flawed system. In an ideal system we would simply have one price where all services and employees wages are built into that price. In fact we do have that "one price" in 99% of the services and products sold in our society. It is only in a specific few that the "one price" method becomes unworkable.