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    Here's the KVB NCAAF Visiting Dog Fund with links to each play and a crude closing line comparison.

    This Fund was 4-4, -.26 units in week 6 and, notably, was 2-4-2 against the closing line...

    1 Unit Closing Beat BTC
    Record Date NCAAF Visiting Dog Fund per bet Line Closer? Average
    385 0-1 7-Sep STANFORD +3.5 (-115) -1 3 Y 0.5
    387 1-1 CAL +14 (-110) 0.91 13.5 Y 0.5
    401 1-2 KENNESAW ST +1.5 (-120) -1 3.5 N -2
    423 1-3 G WEBB +28 (-120) -1 31 N -3
    425 2-3 MAINE +10.5 (-120) 0.83 7.5 Y 3
    427 2-4 NC A&T +29.5 (-120) -1 27.5 Y 2
    117 2-5 14-Sep MIA (OH) +16 (-105) -1 17 N -1
    133 2-6 AKRON +6 (-105) -1 2.5 Y 3.5
    147 3-6 UNLV +20 (-105) 0.95 18.5 Y 1.5
    171 4-6 OHIO +5.5 (-105) 0.95 4 Y 1.5
    225 5-6 WEBER ST +10 (-120) 0.83 7.5 Y 2.5
    233 5-7 MISSOURI ST +29 (-120) -1 31.5 N -2.5
    339 5-8 21-Sep W MICHIGAN +5.5 (-110) -1 3.5 Y 2
    343 5-9 MICHIGAN +3 (+100) -1 3 PUSH 0
    361 5-10 KENTUCKY +6 (-102) -1 6 PUSH 0
    367 6-10 AUBURN +4 (-105) 0.95 4 PUSH 0
    411 7-10 S ILLINOIS +21.5 (-120) 0.83 23 N -1.5
    111 8-10 27-Sep ARIZONA ST +5.5 (-105) 0.95 4 Y 1.5
    113 9-10 28-Sep N' WESTERN +24 (-105) 0.95 23 Y 1
    123 9-11 BUFFALO +2 (-110) -1 2.5 N -0.5
    135 9-12 RUTGERS +27.5 (-110) -1 27.5 PUSH 0
    143 9-13 UNLV +9.5 (-105) -1 8 Y 1.5
    153 10-13 INDIANA +14.5 (-110) 0.91 14 Y 0.5
    163 10-14 KANSAS +16 (-105) -1 14.5 Y 1.5
    167 10-15 MISS ST +11 (-105) -1 7.5 Y 3.5
    187 11-15 UTEP +25.5 (-110) 0.91 26 N -0.5
    325 12-15 5-Oct PITT +5 (-107) 0.93 3.5 Y 1.5
    337 13-15 V TECH +13.5 (-105) 0.95 14 N -0.5
    349 14-15 CAL +18 (-105) 0.95 21 N -3
    355 14-16 IOWA +4 (-105) -1 4 PUSH 0
    359 14-17 RICE +8.5 (-105) -1 10 N -1.5
    361 15-17 N'WESTERN +7 (-110) 0.91 7.5 N -0.5
    373 15-18 TCU +4 (-105) -1 3 Y 1
    391 15-19 MICHIGAN ST +20 (-111) -1 20 PUSH 0
    15-19 Total -5.29 17-11-6 0.367647


    This Fund had a good year last year both in units and the closing line comparison but notice the array of chart patterns when compared....





    At this point we've experienced, in the Unit chart, a very similar sideways pullback as to last year except when we take into account the closing comparison chart it's a very different story.

    Let's walk through the charts...

    Notice since the beginning of last year, the closing average started down and was basically sideways while the unit chart rose. Then as the closing average chart rose the unit chart went sideways only to have the closing average chart go back to sideways while the unit chart rose again.

    That's a mouthful but now we are at a point, this season, where the two charts seem to be in sync. What does this mean for the Fund? It could mean we go sideways, and we do for a while. There could be volatility, but that unit chart could float between 14 units and 18 units all season.

    Let's see how it tests levels going forward and let's see if it can first avert a further slide. Mainly, I wanted to demonstrate the different ways we can look at these charts when dealing with these functions.

    Now to the Haymaker Fund, which is just one or two wins away from even, despite going 9-26 so far this season...


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    Here's the KVB NCAAF Visiting Dog ML Fund with links to each play and a closing line comparison.

    This Fund had 12 plays for +1.64 units in week 6 and despite the big moneylines is pretty much even with the closing line, beating it by a nickel on 19-15-1 overall against the close...

    Date NCAAF Visting Dog ML 1 Unit Closing Beat BTC ML
    per bet Line Closer? Average
    361 7-Sep W KENTUCKY +265 2.65 262 Y 0.03
    373 ARKANSAS +230 -1 194 Y 0.36
    387 CAL +415 4.15 447 Y 0.32
    133 14-Sep AKRON +195 -1 119 Y 0.21
    139 E CAROLINA +235 -1 237 N -0.02
    189 FLORIDA ST +240 -1 241 N -0.01
    307 20-Sep FL INT +275 -1 222 Y 0.53
    309 AIR FORCE +260 -1 274 N -0.14
    351 21-Sep COLORADO +240 2.4 260 N -0.20
    361 KENTUCKY +230 -1 196 Y 0.34
    371 S CAROLINA +290 -1 308 N -0.18
    375 OK ST +170 -1 241 N -0.71
    377 BGSU +290 -1 328 N -0.38
    393 LOUISVILLE +265 -1 205 Y 0.60
    103 26-Sep NAVY +320 -1 326 N -0.06
    111 27-Sep ARIZONA ST +180 1.8 173 Y 0.07
    127 28-Sep NC ST +160 -1 212 N -0.52
    143 UNLV +310 -1 281 Y 0.29
    145 WASH ST +210 -1 188 Y 0.22
    167 MISS ST +325 -1 258 Y 0.67
    183 ARKANSAS ST +215 2.15 215 PUSH 0.00
    201 USC +315 -1 380 N -0.65
    203 UCLA +245 -1 138 Y 1.07
    309 4-Oct N MEXICO +220 -1 211 Y 0.09
    313 5-Oct BC +160 -1 156 Y 0.04
    321 BALL ST +184 1.84 152 Y 0.32
    325 PITT +175 1.75 151 Y 0.24
    337 V TECH +415 4.15 447 N -0.32
    347 OREGON ST +190 1.9 163 Y 0.27
    353 TULSA +370 -1 351 Y 0.19
    355 IOWA +170 -1 174 N -0.04
    357 ILLINOIS +425 -1 427 N -0.02
    359 RICE +270 -1 318 N -0.48
    361 N'WESTERN +230 -1 258 N -0.28
    375 VANDY +225 -1 214 Y 0.11
    Total -3.21 19-15-1 0.056

    This is the first year tracking this Fund at SBR though it did get talked about last year a few times. Early in the season I posted some discussion on this Fund and some charts. I don't usually post charts with data that isn't posted at SBR but with this Fund I made an exception to explain why I thought it was a good idea to rotate into it.

    Remember, these last three Funds are what I consider "market functions" and because of that we can look at the charts in specific ways.

    First, here's the overall chart going back to 2005. Notice the dip after the near "double top"...



    Here's that 2018 slide...



    That's a solid 30 unit drop over time for this function. For perspective, let's add this year...



    So you can see it's still down for the year but the recent positive week could signal an uptrend. Remember with this Fund that the wins will pay more, but they will come less often. It's like running a Two Pick or Three Pick Fund.

    The thing is, it also holds true for the longer term pattern, we get extended down times preceding the up markets.

    There were 12 plays last week and there are 15 plays so far this week in this Fund.

    Let's see if we can get something more decisive out of the market this week, let's see if it's time to reveal something...


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    Well that about does it. It will be interesting to see how some of these stories unfold and it will be interesting to add some more layers to the charting as we get more games under our belt.

    Here's the KVB NCAAF Family of Funds Summary with links to the individual summary posts.

    The Funds had 36 plays for +2.23 units in week 6...

    NCAAF Week 6 Season to Date
    Funds # Plays Units # Plays Units
    Totals 3 -3 21 -6.34
    ATS/ML 7 0.75 38 -3.97
    UPSET Basket 6 3.1 44 4.98
    Visiting Dog 8 -0.26 34 -5.29
    Visiting Dog ML 12 1.64 35 -3.21
    Total: 36 2.23 172 -13.83


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    Here are the current pending NCAAF plays with links to the original posts and the Totals and ATS/ML Funds still not having any triggers. Tomorrow should bring the necessary volume to trigger plays in those Funds.

    So far there are 30 plays between the three Funds with 15 of them in the haymaker fund...

    UPSET Basket...

    101 9-Oct APP ST +130 1.3
    107 10-Oct SYRACUSE +155 -1
    109 11-Oct VIRGINIA -103
    123 12-Oct NAVY +105
    141 12-Oct BALL ST +102
    147 WASH ST +130
    181 SJST +125
    197 FRESNO ST +155

    Visiting Dog Fund...


    Visiting Dog ML Fund...

    121 12-Oct LOUISVILLE +210
    129 NEBRASKA +230
    133 GA ST +220
    139 HAWAII +340
    153 MISSISSIPPI +340
    161 N ILLINOIS +210
    163 ARKANSAS +240
    165 T TECH +310
    167 MIA (OH) +415
    177 MICH ST +310
    179 FLORIDA +400
    185 M TENN ST +345
    189 N TEXAS +170
    193 CHARLOTTE +180
    205 WYOMING +165

    Good Luck.


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    Did you see that, DDD?

    Two weeks ago there were 37 plays and I was down -1.3 units.

    Last week there were 36 plays and I was up +2.23 units.

    Getting better, might have closer to 40 plays this week.


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    NCAAF Funds...Win/Loss Records

    Here are the win loss records for the Funds that have Spreads and Totals so far this year...

    2019-20...

    NCAAF Season to Date ATS and Totals Records Win % % + Tie
    Funds # Plays Units W L P
    Totals 21 -6.34 7 13 1 0.350 0.333
    ATS/ML 38 -3.97 17 20 1 0.459 0.447
    UPSET Basket 44 4.98
    Visiting Dog 34 -5.29 15 19 0.441 0.441
    Visiting Dog ML 35 -3.21
    Total: 172 -13.83 39 52 2 0.429 0.419

    It doesn't look so hot, but it is early in the season.

    This is the same table with the Funds tracked last year.

    2018...

    NCAAF 2018-19 Season ATS and Totals records Win % % + Tie
    Funds # Plays Units W L P
    Totals 137 7.58 74 62 1 0.544 0.540
    ATS/ML 92 13.01 52 33 2 0.612 0.598
    UPSET Basket 126 2.5
    Visiting Dog 83 18.73 52 30 1 0.634 0.627
    Market Reads 14 -6.02 3 8 0.273 0.273
    Total: 452 35.8 181 133 4 0.576 0.569


    Pretty solid, especially without those 11 market read plays.

    Here are two year records of the current Funds with Spreads and Totals...

    2018-Present...

    2018-Present ATS and Totals Records Win % % + Tie
    NCAAF Funds W L P
    Totals 81 75 2 0.519 0.513
    ATS/ML 69 53 3 0.566 0.552
    UPSET Basket
    Visiting Dog 67 49 1 0.578 0.573
    Visiting Dog ML
    Total: 217 177 6 0.551 0.543


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    The KVB NCAAF Totals Fund has picked up...

    109 11-Oct VA/MIA OVER 43 (-105)
    168 12-Oct MIA (OH)/W MICH UNDER 57 (-105)
    196 MASS/LOUIS TECH UNDER 63 (-105)
    205 WYOMING/SDSU OVER 38 (-107)




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    The KVB NCAAF ATS/ML Fund has picked up...

    124 12-Oct TULSA +1.5 (-108)
    136 PURDUE +3.5 (-110)
    160 AKRON +14.5 (-105)
    170 S FLORIDA +5 (-103)
    177 MICHIGAN ST +10.5 (-105)
    190 S MISS -3 (-105)




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    We have had 9 or 10 plays at the end of the week between the Totals and ATS/ML Funds for each week since week 2.

    With the 10 plays just put in, there are a total of 40 plays this week between the NCAAF Funds.

    Here's the Summary of Summaries. Week's 1 and 2 are in the same summary as week 1 didn't have all the Funds in action but I split them here...

    The KVB NCAAF Family of Funds
    Summary of Summaries
    Week # Plays Units
    1 17 -7.79
    2 26 0.44
    3 25 -0.77
    4 31 -6.64
    5 37 -1.3
    6 36 2.23
    Total 172 -13.83


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    The KVB MLB Contrarian Fund has picked up...

    901 11-Oct WAS +121

    This Fund has been streaky, losing 4 in row then winning 5 in a row. Here are the last two weeks' summaries (playoffs)...

    913 2-Oct TB +117 1.17
    915 3-Oct STL +131 1.31
    924 4-Oct MIN/NYY UNDER 9 (-110) -1
    952 5-Oct MIN/NYY UNDER 9 (+105) -1
    956 6-Oct WAS +131 -1
    958 STL +111 -1
    958 ATL/STL UNDER 8.5 (-115) 0.87
    Playoffs Wk 1 -0.65
    Regular Season 2019 3.69
    Total 3.04
    902 7-Oct STL -118 0.85
    904 WAS -121 0.83
    906 TB +120 1.2
    913 9-Oct STL -101 0.99
    Playoffs Wk 2 3.87
    Regular Season 2019 3.69
    Playoffs Wk 1 -0.65
    Total 6.91




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    The KVB NCAAF Visiting Dog Fund has added...

    109 11-Oct VIRGINIA +3 (-115)

    It also picked up +2.5 (+100), this line is good at either, I suppose.

    Here are the other plays in that Fund...





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    There is chatter among my network of professional gamblers.

    A player had a bad day, especially compared to he rest of the team, in the loss to Indy...

    REC YDS AVG TD LONG TGTS
    Byron Pringle 6 103 17.2 1 28 8
    Mecole Hardman 4 79 19.8 0 31 6
    T K 4 70 17.5 0 24 10
    Demarcus Robinson 3 31 10.3 0 14 6
    LeSean McCoy 2 23 11.5 0 21 2
    Damien Williams 3 15 5.0 0 7 4
    Anthony Sherman 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
    TEAM 22 321 14.6 1 31 37

    This player normally hits 70% of targeted plays. Watch his performance, play by play.

    We have a local in St Louis who tells us something seems to be coming to light and being verified, over and over.

    This player also shoved the offensive coordinator on the sidelines during the game. He was not having a good day.

    He's a gambler, has debt, and it looks like he threw the game as best he could, not just based on the box score above, or his tape, but more info from the debt side as well. Unreal.

    Watch his performance if you can, his plays are shady. We are getting word he threw the game.

    I am not mentioning the name and made initials to be left out of any smart searches.



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    Kman, do you really find that difficult to believe?

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    at what age did you learn to type? just curious but not enough to create a thread about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PittsburghPlayer View Post
    Kman, do you really find that difficult to believe?

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    at what age did you learn to type? just curious but not enough to create a thread about it
    Difficult to believe, no.

    But it's not about belief. I'm talking verification here.

    In early 2016, he signed a 5 year 46 million dollar contract.

    And this happens?

    Just wow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Here's a situation developing. Ball St is in the UPSET Basket at +160.

    The line has moved away a bit, but instead of being a part of that idea of a buyback, it's actually qualifying for the Visiting Dog ML Fund, or at least right on the edge.

    Technically, we could pull the trigger here at +170 and it's a wonder the market is stalling at right around there, or just below.

    I'm looking at +170 at reduced juice right now and could pull the trigger. Perhaps it gets to 175, but it's also very possible that this line drops back down under pressure, giving us value in that Visiting Dog ML Fund.

    I'm watching this development closely...
    We ended up with Ball St. +184 and +160 and hit both bets last week.

    The plays are not 100% interchangeable but some plays can overlap. Because of the direction of movement the second strike on Ball St was a better number, so we strike, but sometimes a game moves the other way.

    This week both N. Texas +170 and Wyoming +165 were picked up in the Visiting Dog Fund and are ahead of the market. The market has changed such that they qualify for the UPSET Basket.

    Current lines...

    N. Texas +131
    Wyoming +158

    We won’t buy at the lesser price, but we just might be able to chalk it up to beating the closer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Here's the KVB NCAAF UPSET Basket with links to each play and a closing line comparison...

    ...While we might be approaching last year's highs it's quite a run we've had here unit wise and we know how these functions can give and take.

    There's more to it as well. Sometimes both charts run, sometimes they counter. We can overlay the charts, or, as we get more data, we can experiment with what is essentially a moving average convergence/divergence metric...

    ...So the prediction, probability wise, would be to imagine the unit chart going sideways to down a bit before we see another run bursting through where we are now...
    I know I mentioned MACD, or moving average convergence/divergence but here's an example, making that case for the prediction above, but using a different metric.

    Bollinger Bands.

    Let's look at the chart...



    The red line is the 10 play moving average.

    The green lines are plotted at 2 standard deviations above and below that 10 play moving average. It doesn't have to be 2, it could be 3 or something else, but that is how we chart Bollinger Bands.

    Notice when the Band shoots up above on the high streaks, where I highlighted in yellow, look what happens next.

    Here's a a chart with the Bollinger Bands removed and a 20 day moving average added...




    This is somewhat inherent with the moving averages but notice that after a market direction change, the convergence of the moving averages has them cross.

    Notice that whatever the direction of the market, after the averages cross, there is still some legs left in that direction of movement, before we see another change in direction.

    I highlighted those legs in yellow.

    As the UPSET Basket slows here, and pulls back, those moving averages will cross again, telling us the market is not quite done moving the way it is moving.

    I hope that makes sense, ask some questions, and let me know if you are picking up what I'm putting down. Let me know if you want more of this stuff either by dropping a point, PM, or reply. I usually give points away and if you drop a point to let me know you like it, I'll even give the point back. I know there's an unwritten rule of space here, but let me know if you guys like the direction I'm going. There's more to give.



    Ok, Let's see what happens with this market Function over the next batch of plays.


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    Here's the KVB MLB Contrarian Fund after 669 plays...

    902 7-Oct STL -118 0.85
    904 WAS -121 0.83
    906 TB +120 1.2
    913 9-Oct STL -101 0.99
    901 11-Oct WAS +121 1.21
    Playoffs Wk 2 5.08
    Regular Season 2019 3.69
    Playoffs Wk 1 -0.65
    Total 8.12

    This Fund has hit 6 plays in a row and in 12 plays of the playoffs has managed to more than double the profit of 657 regular season plays.

    Here's the chart with a 20 and 50 day moving average, notice the legs left of the given direction directly after the lines cross...



    Remember that one aim of this Fund is to track the contrarian markets and in that sense we are dealing with a Function.

    There is some charting we can do here as well.


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    Well here we go.

    Some signals showing a turn in the UPSET Basket, it's Friday night (which matters here), and we've got ourselves that oh so familiar double top, another signal.

    Here's the UPSET Basket as of tonight, Fri October 11th with the yellow highlight...



    I mentioned Friday night for a reason, and in a sense it has to do with settlement days, when markets settle, like on Sundays.

    Here's the chart with the technicals...



    This time I highlighted the small dip in the bottom band, consistent in each market turn.

    While it is possible, to continue to run up units in this Fund tomorrow would be the unlikely scenario here and we can only hope to have that chart look more sideways, than downward, after tomorrow.

    This is the case I have walked through tonight in a couple of posts, mostly using charts but can't help but note the day of the week as well in this environment.

    Let's see what happens once the bullets start flying and the guns start firing...



    Last edited by KVB; 10-12-19 at 01:14 AM. Reason: edit...2019 line was off in first graph

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    One more thing...

    When posting that last up to Friday night chart with the technicals, I highlighted the bottom Bol Bands but forgot to mention on more notable feature of the chart...



    There are striking similarities in those two highlighted spots, right down to the second peak being just a little higher than the first in each spot.

    Ball State, last week's double fund winner, kicks the UPSET Basket off tomorrow. Let's see just how tough of an issue it is to settle tomorrow as there is a higher likelihood of a misleading game, or a comeback in that game, especially if one team gets out to a fast start.

    Remember, money starts to move throughout the daily market as soon as the first games kickoff, not when they've finished and settled. There's a reason some games result in comebacks with adjustments, and others do not. It's about the movement of money.

    We're now about to tie the market charting into the fact that it is only after one can accept what they bring that one can truly appreciate how they bring it.


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    Kmanbrotherdude, Meant to tell you that I admire the work and time that you put in also.

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    Have you ever charted early money moves compared to late money moves and any relation to win%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeFinder View Post
    K

    Have you ever charted early money moves compared to late money moves and any relation to win%?
    Come on Glenny. Is there a certain amount you are referring to?

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    The KVB MLB Contrarian Fund has picked up...

    904 12-Oct HOU -149
    906 STL +120




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    She means business

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeFinder View Post
    K

    Have you ever charted early money moves compared to late money moves and any relation to win%?
    Yes and no. There's actually a better way to look at this, using different breakdowns than just early and late. Besides, what constitutes early, what constitutes late?

    Early could be right away, we do see movement, but limits and volume lend to that. Then again, what kind of outfits or bettors are hitting early like that? Late obviously the last hour.

    Also, I'm not sure how close you follow but this happened earlier in the week and because I hit these openers, it's not the first time...

    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    I might have caused the line shift in both of those plays above with my bets.

    Like I've said in the past, I'm fine with sharing my plays, as long as I get my numbers first.

    Let's see what happens with these plays as other money comes in today and this week...

    I want to get more into this. In the past I have done extensive line analysis, which I'll share, but I find now that it's best to come up with other metrics to separate the rotation, then look at the movement.

    After all, sometimes the books get action and don't want to blink, they hold the line, then move it late. Some think it's all computerized, and if it is, the sophistication is crazy. So, basically, it's not. it's only computerized as a front line defense, then a bigger picture gets involved.

    With so much going, it depends on the game, the forecast, and so much more.

    Give me some time to get into this.

    This and a study on key numbers are two things I've been wanting to address. Basically, if you've read above, we are taking it to another level here when it comes to the functions. Things like line analysis, key nubmers, forecasts, etc, are the building blocks, the nuts and bolts, that lead to this broader work.

    Granted, I think everyone would settle for a simple answer to a forecast, but we all know it doesn't work that way. If anyone reading has got a metric in the market, make it the why you made the bet part of the tracking, and track those bets.

    I'm not just telling a story here that plays out as the season progresses, I'm also showing what tracking can do in the right situations.


    Range, throw out some ideas, anything you want to know? Even stat wise, I have a lot of research.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    She means business
    Speaking of business.

    The UPSET Basket felt Navy opening as a dog was wrong so it picked up Navy +105.

    Then the lined moved and the market formed and the ATS/ML Fund picked up Tulsa +1.5.

    Ass, it's true we have a conflict, butt, if Navy can manage a 1 point win, well, I could be in business.

    Or even BizNass.

    Nomsayin?




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    She definitely means business
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    Alright bitches, I'll go back and link all my NFL plays I posted this year, let's track that shit. I think if I focus in here and fight the integrity fight with SBR and just one thread in PT, I should be able to give a story for NFL as well.

    Here's what I just bought...

    256 13-Oct CLE +1 (-112)
    263 WAS/MIA OVER 41.5 (-104)
    266 SF/LAR UNDER 50.5 (-102)
    268 ARI +125
    272 DEN -1.5 (-104)



    Let's saw through this shit...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    She definitely means business
    I feel like she could give someone a black eye with that hip backward upward hip thrust.

    That is, if someone happens to have an eye on the back upper part of her hip, of course.

    Speaking of blunt force trauma...


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    Well, since we're talking business here.


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    Some girls are into some business...


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    Some girls outright MEAN BUSINESS...


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    But at the end of the day, no matter what business you are into, someone has to come and clean the business.

    You know, like to take out the garbage, dust, vacuum.

    You know, like a window washer...


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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Yes and no. There's actually a better way to look at this, using different breakdowns than just early and late. Besides, what constitutes early, what constitutes late?

    Early could be right away, we do see movement, but limits and volume lend to that. Then again, what kind of outfits or bettors are hitting early like that? Late obviously the last hour.

    Also, I'm not sure how close you follow but this happened earlier in the week and because I hit these openers, it's not the first time...




    I want to get more into this. In the past I have done extensive line analysis, which I'll share, but I find now that it's best to come up with other metrics to separate the rotation, then look at the movement.

    After all, sometimes the books get action and don't want to blink, they hold the line, then move it late. Some think it's all computerized, and if it is, the sophistication is crazy. So, basically, it's not. it's only computerized as a front line defense, then a bigger picture gets involved.

    With so much going, it depends on the game, the forecast, and so much more.

    Give me some time to get into this.

    This and a study on key numbers are two things I've been wanting to address. Basically, if you've read above, we are taking it to another level here when it comes to the functions. Things like line analysis, key nubmers, forecasts, etc, are the building blocks, the nuts and bolts, that lead to this broader work.

    Granted, I think everyone would settle for a simple answer to a forecast, but we all know it doesn't work that way. If anyone reading has got a metric in the market, make it the why you made the bet part of the tracking, and track those bets.

    I'm not just telling a story here that plays out as the season progresses, I'm also showing what tracking can do in the right situations.


    Range, throw out some ideas, anything you want to know? Even stat wise, I have a lot of research.

    K

    Thank you. As you know there isn't anything about this game that's simple but I try to find ways. If it gets too complicated then time becomes an issue. I'm amazed at the charts and the insight you bring. Keep going my man. I hope and pray you find success as hard as it is. Things change always. That's the hard part. The adjustments we always have to make.

    Here's my question. What metrics are best for college and what metrics are best for NFL? Broad question but try to simplify is the way to go IMO

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