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    Quote Originally Posted by yisman View Post
    Aren't you the biggest liberal on the site? Lostache, quit playing. You'd be miserable without liberals and socialists.
    i have no idea, how can I tell if I am a liberal or not??

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrell74 View Post
    this is the true dillema

    sandy hook
    West Virginia
    Columbine
    post office shooting

    a hand full of mass murders
    in the last 20 years, can't disagree with that
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/mass-shoot...7/20/id/445971

    Since 2007 they've been happening way too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDime View Post
    yes there is and Rifleman will be there in 4 months Champ

    Rifleman WHERE??
    Europe is the worst place to go

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    There is always Russia what I hear plenty of snatch available there

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    Quote Originally Posted by a4u2fear View Post
    Basically if a burglar comes into my house I have to either shoot them one bullet at a time which will be near impossible at night or illegally shoot them with an illegal magazine. If the intruder has an illegal magazine I guess I will just be a victim and we can have a "what could've been" news story
    If you can't hit your target in 7 shots, maybe you should practice a little more. Anyway a shotgun is the best weapon for home defense, don't have to worry about a miss going through a wall and killing someone in another room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yisman View Post





    Now that's definitely not true. The US is simply the biggest target.




    What slambam means is Americans in general are brought up from birth to be this>




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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy117 View Post
    If you can't hit your target in 7 shots, maybe you should practice a little more. Anyway a shotgun is the best weapon for home defense, don't have to worry about a miss going through a wall and killing someone in another room.
    shotgun is good to have for internal house defense but for anything outside, rpg rocket launcher

    don't fuk around, end it quick, take a lesson from hiroshima

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchieBunker View Post
    There is always Russia what I hear plenty of snatch available there
    That was a serious consideration at one point. Might even end up there sooner or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slambam View Post
    Thata boy. I hate to say it but it's true, USA is the dumbest fukkin country in the world.

    Americans are obviously not "the dumbest people in the world" . The sad truth is we are not the smartest anymore either, and we used to be just that. People who insult americans many times are just offended because we do not know much about their country, language, culture, etc etc. That is just the realty of being the big boy on the block, you do not know much about the little boys, and it sometimes hurts their feelings. Whenever someone from another country,( usually europeans, eastern europeans actually) gives me crap about not knowing something about their obscure little county I always have the same answer. I ask one of two questions

    There are 54 african nations (some would argue 57) and nine territories can you name half?
    There are 24 nations in latin america can you name 18?

    People have a CHANCE at latin america and but they never have a CLUE about the nations in africa. Why is that? It is the same reason we know virtually nothing about Moldova or Belarus, small countries in eastern europe. The big boys pay very little attention to the little boys. Thats just life.

    I can tell you a personal story about las vegas this is a gambling site after all. In the 80's and 90's most the cab drivers were greeks. Then after that in the late 90's came a huge infux of ethiopians. There is a large ethiopian community in vegas, many drive cabs. After the ethiopian infux people in the neighboring country Eritrea began to come to vegas in mass also. Many of them also drive cabs. Ok enough rambling, here is my story, I would get in a cab with a driver and I always engage in small talk, you can see just by my posts I am a long winded kind of guy. So when I ask where a cabbie is from if he says Eritrea I sometimes ask them how they take the vegas heat. It always amazes them. They always say something to the effect of" all my customers think our weather is hotter then las vegas, you are the first I have ever met to know our weather is tropical" How did I know that Eritrea is very very pleasant weather like san diego? Truth is I just met tons of cabbies being in vegas so often that were from Eritrea and they told me about it. It is the highest point in africa so the altitude plays a major role if anyone cares. But I am telling you these guys are SHOCKED when they get a passenger, american, european, south american, that does not think they run around in straw pants, have a 4 inch bone in their nose and carry a spear 24 hrs a day. That just proves my point, thats just the way it is, the big boys dont really pay much attention to the little boys. Its universal, not just us americans

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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    There are 54 african nations (some would argue 57) and nine territories can you name half?
    There are 24 nations in latin america can you name 18?
    Maybe I am kidding myself. But I think the average publicly educated Australian would have a good shot at both of those.

    And I think you underestimate the broadness of European education as well. English at very least.

    Being a big boy or a little boy doesn't preclude an education system from covering a broad curriculum. And from what I know/see, USA is very very inward looking with it's education system. That's why foreigners from all places so often are taken aback by the ignorance of average Americans about the outside world.

    But what does it matter anyway? Ask any American and the answer that will be parroted 90% of the time will be "we don't need to worry about the rest of the world because our country is better than everyone elses. Just look how they all want to come here".

    It's like they intentionally breed idiots up there to the casual viewer at times. But it's just the education system that feeds such a moronic ideology to you all.

    Just sprinkle some Ayn Rand "fukk you jack, I'm alright" philosophy onto those that make it to college to seal the deal for a polarized and easily controllable society.
    Last edited by Optional; 01-15-13 at 09:45 PM.

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    Americans are obviously doing something right with education, Asia continues to dominate pisa test results but those asian parents are also trying to get their kids in places like Stanford and Duke and in American colleges. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/25/world/...ion/index.html

    You can just look at entrepreneurship and businesses created in America and how much of peoples everyday life all over the world is based around American inventions. America is a very creative and dynamic society and its the culture of entrepreneurship sets it apart, and I really question alot of this "liberalism" from around the world. its pretty fake especially concerning immigrants and race.

    Some great quotes from a techcrunch article about american education
    http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/16/why...her-countries/

    "The United States has never ranked at the top of international education tests, since we began comparing countries in 1964, yet has been the dominant economic and innovative force in the world the entire time."

    "The United States has an abundance of the factors that likely do matter: access to the best immigrants, economic opportunity, and the best research facilities."

    "Most importantly, the innovators at the helm of an economy come from the top quarter of students. While the United States has a dismal track-record of inequality, we treat our brightest minds quite well. The “average test scores are mostly irrelevant as a measure of economic potential,” write Hal Salzman & Lindsay Lowell in the prestigious journal, Nature, “To produce leading-edge technology, one could argue that it is the numbers of high-performing students that is most important in the global economy.”

    "The United States, they find, has among the highest percentage of top-performing students in the world. Whether the abundance of smart students is a product of U.S. culture, an artifact of the genetic lottery, or some unknown factor hidden in our education system is anyone’s guess."

    "We do know where some of our best talent comes from: other countries. In some ways, the United States steals its way to economic superiority: it rangles the world’s brightest minds to immigrate. The U.S. holds roughly 17% of the world’s International students, compared to 2nd-place Britain (~12%) and far more than education powerhouses, Korea, Switzerland, and Sweden (all below 5%)."

    "A quarter of CEOs in technology and science are foreign born and 76 percent hold key positions in engineering, technology, and management, according to Stanford researcher and TechCrunch contributor, Vivek Wadhwa.

    “More than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies in the U.S. were founded by immigrants or their children, and these firms alone employ over 10 million individuals. Some of our country’s most iconic brands – including IBM, Google, and Apple – were founded by an immigrant or the child of an immigrant. And nearly half of the top 50 venture-backed companies in the U.S. had at least one immigrant founder,” wrote Aol founder Steve Case (Aol is the parent company of TechCrunch)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregm View Post
    access to the best immigrants, economic opportunity


    Is America still attracting all the best immigrants though?


    Pre-internet, an entrepreneur in Australia would need to able to market their product to at least 5% of our small population in order to be successful. Whereas in the US a product/service could thrive on 0.005% of the populations interest. Which is a huge advantage and encouragement to innovate.

    But this is the post-internet world. Everyone has access to the US market now. America really needs to work at understanding this competition to stay on top imho. And that starts with the education system taking more notice of different cultures.

    Of course Americans are not "dumb". But as a population it will need to act smarter in the future to stay on top imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Maybe I am kidding myself. But I think the average publicly educated Australian would have a good shot at both of those.

    And I think you underestimate the broadness of European education as well. English at very least.

    Being a big boy or a little boy doesn't preclude an education system from covering a broad curriculum. And from what I know/see, USA is very very inward looking with it's education system. That's why foreigners from all places so often are taken aback by the ignorance of average Americans about the outside world.

    But what does it matter anyway? Ask any American and the answer that will be parroted 90% of the time will be "we don't need to worry about the rest of the world because our country is better than everyone elses. Just look how they all want to come here".

    It's like they intentionally breed idiots up there to the casual viewer at times. But it's just the education system that feeds such a moronic ideology to you all.

    Just sprinkle some Ayn Rand "fukk you jack, I'm alright" philosophy onto those that make it to college to seal the deal for a polarized and easily controllable society.
    gimme a "J"......J!
    gimme a "E"......E!
    gimme a "A"......A!
    gimme a "L"......L!
    gimme a "U"......U!
    gimme a "S"......S!

    What's that spell?.......JEALUS! JEALUS! jeeeeEEEEEALUS!!!!!! WHOOOO HOOOOOO USA # FUKIN 1 PAL!!!!

    deal with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchieBunker View Post
    Europe is the worst place to go
    Have you ever been in Europe? And spesificly where have you been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDime View Post

    gimme a "J"......J!
    gimme a "E"......E!
    gimme a "A"......A!
    gimme a "L"......L!
    gimme a "U"......U!
    gimme a "S"......S!

    What's that spell?.......JEALUS! JEALUS! jeeeeEEEEEALUS!!!!!! WHOOOO HOOOOOO USA # FUKIN 1 PAL!!!!

    deal with it
    Yeah right. You of all Yanks know it's true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDime View Post
    gimme a "J"......J!
    gimme a "E"......E!
    gimme a "A"......A!
    gimme a "L"......L!
    gimme a "U"......U!
    gimme a "S"......S!

    What's that spell?.......JEALUS! JEALUS! jeeeeEEEEEALUS!!!!!! WHOOOO HOOOOOO USA # FUKIN 1 PAL!!!!

    deal with it
    Lostache hates America almost as much as forsberg hates America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    Americans are obviously not "the dumbest people in the world" . The sad truth is we are not the smartest anymore either, and we used to be just that. People who insult americans many times are just offended because we do not know much about their country, language, culture, etc etc. That is just the realty of being the big boy on the block, you do not know much about the little boys, and it sometimes hurts their feelings. Whenever someone from another country,( usually europeans, eastern europeans actually) gives me crap about not knowing something about their obscure little county I always have the same answer. I ask one of two questions

    There are 54 african nations (some would argue 57) and nine territories can you name half?
    There are 24 nations in latin america can you name 18?

    People have a CHANCE at latin america and but they never have a CLUE about the nations in africa. Why is that? It is the same reason we know virtually nothing about Moldova or Belarus, small countries in eastern europe. The big boys pay very little attention to the little boys. Thats just life.

    I can tell you a personal story about las vegas this is a gambling site after all. In the 80's and 90's most the cab drivers were greeks. Then after that in the late 90's came a huge infux of ethiopians. There is a large ethiopian community in vegas, many drive cabs. After the ethiopian infux people in the neighboring country Eritrea began to come to vegas in mass also. Many of them also drive cabs. Ok enough rambling, here is my story, I would get in a cab with a driver and I always engage in small talk, you can see just by my posts I am a long winded kind of guy. So when I ask where a cabbie is from if he says Eritrea I sometimes ask them how they take the vegas heat. It always amazes them. They always say something to the effect of" all my customers think our weather is hotter then las vegas, you are the first I have ever met to know our weather is tropical" How did I know that Eritrea is very very pleasant weather like san diego? Truth is I just met tons of cabbies being in vegas so often that were from Eritrea and they told me about it. It is the highest point in africa so the altitude plays a major role if anyone cares. But I am telling you these guys are SHOCKED when they get a passenger, american, european, south american, that does not think they run around in straw pants, have a 4 inch bone in their nose and carry a spear 24 hrs a day. That just proves my point, thats just the way it is, the big boys dont really pay much attention to the little boys. Its universal, not just us americans
    I never said the dumbest people in the world. What I meant is "dumb" as far as our laws, regulations, and shit. Government pays for just about anybody who wants it, allowing the lazy to get by. Brainless jackasses in Washington are the reason the countries debt is so massive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post


    Is America still attracting all the best immigrants though?


    Pre-internet, an entrepreneur in Australia would need to able to market their product to at least 5% of our small population in order to be successful. Whereas in the US a product/service could thrive on 0.005% of the populations interest. Which is a huge advantage and encouragement to innovate.

    But this is the post-internet world. Everyone has access to the US market now. America really needs to work at understanding this competition to stay on top imho. And that starts with the education system taking more notice of different cultures.

    Of course Americans are not "dumb". But as a population it will need to act smarter in the future to stay on top imho.
    Opti, that sentence is exactly why I think America continue to thrive. American universities and American culture has been open to the world alot more than other nations, especially through immigration. Like that statement from techcrunch

    " it rangles the world’s brightest minds to immigrate. The U.S. holds roughly 17% of the world’s International students, compared to 2nd-place Britain (~12%) and far more than education powerhouses, Korea, Switzerland, and Sweden (all below 5%)."

    "A quarter of CEOs in technology and science are foreign born and 76 percent hold key positions in engineering, technology, and management, according to Stanford researcher and TechCrunch contributor, Vivek Wadhwa.

    “More than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies in the U.S. were founded by immigrants or their children, and these firms alone employ over 10 million individuals. Some of our country’s most iconic brands – including IBM, Google, and Apple – were founded by an immigrant or the child of an immigrant.'

    I admire Australia, New Zealand,Canada, Europe and alot of the west as being far more intelligent on alot of issues but I dont think they have done a good job of attracting the best minds from around the world in science and business fields and they certainly have not kept pace with the United States in research, science, innovation,invention, etc. over the last 50 years. Its not even close.

    Even from purely progressive issues, I may be wrong on this, but I dont think a black man like Obama or an Asian would be elected as a leader or even a governor in Europe,Canada ,Australia, New Zealand no matter how more progressive,liberal, or more enlightened much of the West claims to be over the United States.

    This is why American continues to thrive, like ancient rome, its alot more open to the world. A black man born in hawaii to a kenyan father can become president, would a black man, asian,etc. be elected to the highest position in the land even in the most liberal, progressive societies in the world, Scandinavia, Australia,Canada, Europe? Alot of the western progressive condescension towards America isnt deserved, especially when it comes to race and immigration.

    I may be wrong on that but in my experience, immigrants have alot more opportunities to create businesses and succeed in the United States than they do in alot of the west and America has benefited enormously. America is a very dynamic and entrepreneurial culture but it is a country of massive contrasts.
    Last edited by gregm; 01-15-13 at 11:30 PM.

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    I do agree with you opti though, America needs alot of changes if it doesnt want to decline. The math and science education in asia is incredible. America needs to adapt.

    But keep in mind the difference between high scorers and the average. America needs to get these average scores up but in numbers of high scores America still leads the world ( we are an enormous country, we also lead the world in number of low scorers ) The high scorers are what we thrive on. lol

    http://www.edexcellence.net/publicat...vement-in.html

    "In raw numbers, the U.S. produces many more high-achieving students than any other OECD nation—more high-achievers than France, Germany, and the UK combined (both in reading and in math).

    On the downside, in raw numbers, the U.S. also produces many more low-achieving students (both in reading and in math) than any other OECD nation, including Mexico and Turkey."

    Average scores pisa 2012 (15 year olds)



    Number of high scorers

    Last edited by gregm; 01-15-13 at 11:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregm View Post
    I do agree with you opti though, America needs alot of changes if it doesnt want to decline. The math and science education in asia are incredible. America needs to adapt.
    Not just math and science... history and social studies must be revamped too. Currently our textbooks are creating a very anglo-centric history of America, it also create heroes without mentioning their flaws, and some things are just complete lies. This is not about truth or history, this is a problem because it creates a generation of kids who grow up thinking America is superior to others and as a result we have nothing to learn from them and we shouldnt care about them. As the world grow flatter economically and socially this is a dangerous attitude to have.

    We are starting to see more and more of this since Obama has been elected, every third comment on youtube or newsites is calling him a n*****, kenyan, muslim as if being a white american is superior to any of those terms. Also the ignorance of the world and its cultures, one of the funniest examples was when F1 went to Texas and one local reporter was shocked an Australian would know how to speak English so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova99 View Post
    Not just math and science... history and social studies must be revamped too. Currently our textbooks are creating a very anglo-centric history of America, it also create heroes without mentioning their flaws, and some things are just complete lies. This is not about truth or history, this is a problem because it creates a generation of kids who grow up thinking America is superior to others and as a result we have nothing to learn from them and we shouldnt care about them. As the world grow flatter economically and socially this is a dangerous attitude to have.

    We are starting to see more and more of this since Obama has been elected, every third comment on youtube or newsites is calling him a n*****, kenyan, muslim as if being a white american is superior to any of those terms. Also the ignorance of the world and its cultures, one of the funniest examples was when F1 went to Texas and one local reporter was shocked an Australian would know how to speak English so well.
    Don't get me wrong, its not just in higher education that America has thrived. The immigration from Mexico has been an incredible boost for the American economy, I know some people say stuff about the gangs but all that gang and crime nonsense could be wiped out pretty easily with a war on crime, its only a microscopic part of immigration. The strongest work ethic I have ever encountered is among the Mexicans, maybe the Asians as well. I have never seen a first or second generation immigrant from mexico on the side of the road begging, an incredible work ethic. You rarely see Asians in American prisons. A good work ethic is a big part of american success, we have some of the best productivity numbers in the world . These are from 2007 and 2009 and 2010 though. The third study has America lazily lagging behind Norway and Singapore.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6976084.stm

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500395_162-3228735.html


    http://247wallst.com/2010/06/28/72005/2/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDime View Post
    gimme a "J"......J!
    gimme a "E"......E!
    gimme a "A"......A!
    gimme a "L"......L!
    gimme a "U"......U!
    gimme a "S"......S!

    What's that spell?.......JEALUS! JEALUS! jeeeeEEEEEALUS!!!!!! WHOOOO HOOOOOO USA # FUKIN 1 PAL!!!!

    deal with it
    I hope that's sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregm View Post

    Opti, that sentence is exactly why I think America continue to thrive. American universities and American culture has been open to the world alot more than other nations, especially through immigration. Like that statement from techcrunch

    " it rangles the world’s brightest minds to immigrate. The U.S. holds roughly 17% of the world’s International students, compared to 2nd-place Britain (~12%) and far more than education powerhouses, Korea, Switzerland, and Sweden (all below 5%)."

    "A quarter of CEOs in technology and science are foreign born and 76 percent hold key positions in engineering, technology, and management, according to Stanford researcher and TechCrunch contributor, Vivek Wadhwa.

    “More than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies in the U.S. were founded by immigrants or their children, and these firms alone employ over 10 million individuals. Some of our country’s most iconic brands – including IBM, Google, and Apple – were founded by an immigrant or the child of an immigrant.'

    I admire Australia, New Zealand,Canada, Europe and alot of the west as being far more intelligent on alot of issues but I dont think they have done a good job of attracting the best minds from around the world in science and business fields and they certainly have not kept pace with the United States in research, science, innovation,invention, etc. over the last 50 years. Its not even close.

    Even from purely progressive issues, I may be wrong on this, but I dont think a black man like Obama or an Asian would be elected as a leader or even a governor in Europe,Canada ,Australia, New Zealand no matter how more progressive,liberal, or more enlightened much of the West claims to be over the United States.

    This is why American continues to thrive, like ancient rome, its alot more open to the world. A black man born in hawaii to a kenyan father can become president, would a black man, asian,etc. be elected to the highest position in the land even in the most liberal, progressive societies in the world, Scandinavia, Australia,Canada, Europe? Alot of the western progressive condescension towards America isnt deserved, especially when it comes to race and immigration.

    I may be wrong on that but in my experience, immigrants have alot more opportunities to create businesses and succeed in the United States than they do in alot of the west and America has benefited enormously. America is a very dynamic and entrepreneurial culture but it is a country of massive contrasts.
    No argument from me that America has been the world's success story for 200 years. And probably still has more opportunity to make it from nothing than most of other countries.

    And your point about R&D productivity has been a gift to the world in many respects (I'll refrain from railing on US pharma business for now)

    I admire America a lot. I can't think of any other of the large nation options I would prefer to have had the near monopoly economic control of the world since the end of the cold war.

    But... and with all due respect to you personally in saying this. Your thoughts about American's openness to other cultures due to Obama being president, and how that compares to the rest of the world, illustrates the inward-lookingness (is that a word?) I think so many have. Americans are so sensitive about race Obama has done nothing more than widen the divide and ignite more racial hatred imho. It would not be such a big deal down here or in Europe/UK. And definitely not after this many years in the job. Yet it's still the most important feature about the man in the US. Race sensitivity is way off the scale in the US.

    I wouldn't argue Australia is more progressive or better than USA btw. There is no comparison, we are an isolated island at the ass end of the world with a smaller population than California. If not for our strong political ties to Britain and US, and strong economic ties with China, no one would know us from Austria. And we are 'backward' in a lot of ways. Growing up it felt like anything that happened in Australia had happened in the US 10 years earlier (no exaggeration). It's not like that now, but we are still less socially progressive than the US in many ways. But how we are barely makes a difference to the world, whereas the US...



    Quote Originally Posted by Nova99 View Post

    Not just math and science... history and social studies must be revamped too. Currently our textbooks are creating a very anglo-centric history of America, it also create heroes without mentioning their flaws, and some things are just complete lies. This is not about truth or history, this is a problem because it creates a generation of kids who grow up thinking America is superior to others and as a result we have nothing to learn from them and we shouldnt care about them. As the world grow flatter economically and socially this is a dangerous attitude to have.

    We are starting to see more and more of this since Obama has been elected, every third comment on youtube or newsites is calling him a n*****, kenyan, muslim as if being a white american is superior to any of those terms. Also the ignorance of the world and its cultures, one of the funniest examples was when F1 went to Texas and one local reporter was shocked an Australian would know how to speak English so well.
    What I was trying to say in less words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    No argument from me that America has been the world's success story for 200 years. And probably still has more opportunity to make it from nothing than most of other countries.

    And your point about R&D productivity has been a gift to the world in many respects (I'll refrain from railing on US pharma business for now)

    I admire America a lot. I can't think of any other of the large nation options I would prefer to have had the near monopoly economic control of the world since the end of the cold war.

    But... and with all due respect to you personally in saying this. Your thoughts about American's openness to other cultures due to Obama being president, and how that compares to the rest of the world, illustrates the inward-lookingness (is that a word?) I think so many have. Americans are so sensitive about race Obama has done nothing more than widen the divide and ignite more racial hatred imho. It would not be such a big deal down here or in Europe/UK. And definitely not after this many years in the job. Yet it's still the most important feature about the man in the US. Race sensitivity is way off the scale in the US.

    I wouldn't argue Australia is more progressive or better than USA btw. There is no comparison, we are an isolated island at the ass end of the world with a smaller population than California. If not for our strong political ties to Britain and US, and strong economic ties with China, no one would know us from Austria. And we are 'backward' in a lot of ways. Growing up it felt like anything that happened in Australia had happened in the US 10 years earlier (no exaggeration). It's not like that now, but we are still less socially progressive than the US in many ways. But how we are barely makes a difference to the world, whereas the US...

    What I was trying to say in less words.
    Great post opti and this is a gambling forum, I dont want to sound like an american drum beater when it comes to that. I started in horses with gambling and there is no country in the world that has produced some of the worlds greatest gamblers like Australia. Alan Woods and Zeljko Ranogajec from Australia, Benter moved there from the US to gamble in hong kong, anyone can compare Australia and the US government in their attitudes towards gambling to see the stupidity of the US government. Australia is one of the most fascinating counties in the world involving gambling and your governments policies are miles above many of the US policies and culture in alot of issues. I love the fans for tennis and watching them right now, its an incredible country for sports and gambling.

    I don't agree with your statement about Obama though, It wouldn't be such a big deal in western Europe/Australia/UK because a minority hasn't been elected to the highest office in the land, ever, unless I am mistaken, and thats what I feel is good about America. Race is a big issue everywhere whether anyone talks about it and anyone can look at my countries history to see we are far from a racial paradise but its not even dealt with in a good deal of the world.

    I love this forum because we get to hear comments from people around the world and even if its criticisms about the US I like hearing it and learn from it , unless its people like forsberg and just coming from resentment. I like these discussions.

    You guys live in the most exciting hemisphere in the world for gambling, there is nothing in the world like Asia/Australia for gambling right now, as Americans we have a government in the stone age. Our enormous market and our governments policies like the
    Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act have caused problems for alot of people all over the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slambam View Post
    I never said the dumbest people in the world. What I meant is "dumb" as far as our laws, regulations, and shit. Government pays for just about anybody who wants it, allowing the lazy to get by. Brainless jackasses in Washington are the reason the countries debt is so massive.
    I agree 100% with you on this one. Our entitlement society is finally unsustainable. As far as the court system? OMG its insane.

    There is a case right now that just reached the Mass state SUPREME COURT. That will blow your mind.

    A 20 year old man raped a 14 year old girl. This was not a "boyfriend girlfriend case," this was rape.
    She was christian and would not abort the baby
    He gets sentenced to 16 years PROBATION no prison or jail time
    He is now suing for visitation rights of the three year old baby conceived by the rape.

    In the USA only 16 states have laws against the rapist suing for visitation of a baby conceived by a rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Maybe I am kidding myself. But I think the average publicly educated Australian would have a good shot at both of those.

    And I think you underestimate the broadness of European education as well. English at very least.

    Being a big boy or a little boy doesn't preclude an education system from covering a broad curriculum. And from what I know/see, USA is very very inward looking with it's education system. That's why foreigners from all places so often are taken aback by the ignorance of average Americans about the outside world.

    But what does it matter anyway? Ask any American and the answer that will be parroted 90% of the time will be "we don't need to worry about the rest of the world because our country is better than everyone elses. Just look how they all want to come here".

    .

    I would make a sizable wager that less then 50% of publicly educated australians could answer one or both of those questions correctly.
    I would make the same wager in respect to europeans. As far as americans all saying "we are better then you" I do not believe we feel that way at all. Our nation was founded by europeans and the framework of our country, our norms, our laws, even our faith largely mirrors that of the european powers.

    Do americans feel proud of their country? Of course we do. I assume everyone feels proud of their nations accomplishments. The 20th century is considered the "american century " due to our influence in all aspects of world affairs. We are not a perfect nation, far from it, but no nation in history ever did more good for others then the US did in the 20th century. We gave over 50 billion in US supplies before we entered WW2 to france, england, china, russia via "lend lease", To fight germany and japan That is over 700 billion in todays dollars. Then the actual entry of the US into the war, make no mistake the allies would have NEVER defeated the axis powers without the USA. It is ironic that so many people that hate america today would not even have their nation without americas involvement in WW2. I am not saying american soldiers were more brave or heroic then others, on the contrary I think countries like russians and the english were the ones who sacrificed the most. However without the true might of the US the war was lost.


    Let me ask this one question because I feel it sums up the character of our nation.
    In the history of time from the Assyrians who dominated the world 2700 years ago, to the romans,to Caesar, & alexander the great, to the european powers of spain, france , england , to germany & USSR, all the way to today how many nations in history when they had economic, military, and political dominance in the world did not expand their land mass and conquer other nations and subjugate other peoples? ONE. in history the only one is the USA in the 20th century. We have every right to be proud of this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximo View Post
    Have you ever been in Europe? And spesificly where have you been?
    No but if your going there to avoid Liberals it's not the place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximo View Post
    Have you ever been in Europe? And spesificly where have you been?
    Not bashing them buddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximo View Post
    Have you ever been in Europe? And spesificly where have you been?
    Not keen on flying if I did go it would be Germany to check out the music festivals

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    Swedish pie wouldn't mind having some but would have to leave the old lady at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchieBunker View Post
    Swedish pie wouldn't mind having some but would have to leave the old lady at home.
    How bout some of this Pie, gers?

    If you like golf, or gaming come join us over at wgt and hit it around. Even if you're not as infatuated with it as I am, I'm still sure you'd enjoy. Go Sabres.




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    rifleman, where are you moving to ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDime View Post
    gimme a "J"......J!
    gimme a "E"......E!
    gimme a "A"......A!
    gimme a "L"......L!
    gimme a "U"......U!
    gimme a "S"......S!

    What's that spell?.......JEALUS! JEALUS! jeeeeEEEEEALUS!!!!!! WHOOOO HOOOOOO USA # FUKIN 1 PAL!!!!

    deal with it
    SPELL CHECK DOWN!!!

    jealous

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRifleman View Post
    That was a serious consideration at one point. Might even end up there sooner or later.
    Lmao..unless you're Russian, don't give it any more thought.

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    what are your thoughts on the background checks they're going to run in ny every time you try to purchase ammo?

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