COVID-19 - All Discussion Here 🦠

[Kermit]

Given that far more than 6 in 10 are vaccinated, this means that the unvaccinated are dying at a higher rate. Combine this with the fact that the most vulnerable to die are vaccinated, and you can see that the vaccine clearly reduces the mortality rate.

But I thought that the vaccine was supposed to keep people from dying? That is what you vax guys all claimed.

[b1slickguy]

[DwightShrute]

Oof.

6 in 10 adults who died of Covid in August were vaccinated or boosted

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ines-rcna57902

nothing to see here people.

[d2bets]

But I thought that the vaccine was supposed to keep people from dying? That is what you vax guys all claimed.

Not sure anyone ever claimed it was 100%. The Trump Vaccine has reduced deaths very significantly. It isn't a panacea.

[milwaukee mike]

Not sure anyone ever claimed it was 100%. The Trump Vaccine has reduced deaths very significantly. It isn't a panacea.

there's absolutely no proof of that whatsoever... if that was actually true then people would be lining up for boosters instead of avoiding them like the plague

a year ago, people would be laughed at or ridiculed for NOT being jabbed, now everyone i know would laugh at someone that keeps taking boosters... well if the first 5 jabs didn't work i bet the 6th one will!

[DwightShrute]

there's absolutely no proof of that whatsoever... if that was actually true then people would be lining up for boosters instead of avoiding them like the plague

a year ago, people would be laughed at or ridiculed for NOT being jabbed, now everyone i know would laugh at someone that keeps taking boosters... well if the first 5 jabs didn't work i bet the 6th one will!

[b1slickguy]

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But I thought that the vaccine was supposed to keep people from dying? That is what you vax guys all claimed.

And your story link says that vaxed people are dieing at a lower rate than the non-vaccinated and proves it helps prevent death.


2nd time some numpty posted this without understanding what it means.

Are you just acting dumb or really this math challenged?

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there's absolutely no proof of that whatsoever...

Well, apart from the "proof" from the actual link Kermit posted that is being discussed?!?

[Kermit]

And your story link says that vaxed people are dieing at a lower rate than the non-vaccinated and proves it helps prevent death.


2nd time some numpty posted this without understanding what it means.

Are you just acting dumb or really this math challenged?

Oh please Mr Math expert, please do explain to me how 6 out of 10 vaxxed people dying from Covid proves that the vax is preventing death.

[b1slickguy]

Not sure anyone ever claimed it was 100%. The Trump Vaccine has reduced deaths very significantly. It isn't a panacea.

Oh, I'm sure.
Right from the horse's mouth.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Excited to share that updated analysis from our Phase 3 study with BioNTech also showed that our COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ">#COVID19</a> cases in South Africa. 100%! <a href="https://t.co/E2ksTJSopU">https://t.co/E2ksTJSopU</a></p>&mdash; Albert Bourla (@AlbertBourla) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBourla/status/1377618480527257606?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Kermit]

Well, apart from the "proof" from the actual link Kermit posted that is being discussed?!?

"Two years after Covid vaccines rolled out, researchers are calling for newer, better options"


^^^ See that headline? This whole story revolves around the vaccine not working as promised, and now they are looking for other options.

[Kermit]

Not sure anyone ever claimed it was 100%. The Trump Vaccine has reduced deaths very significantly. It isn't a panacea.

The fukking guy that you voted for President said that it was.

[Optional]

Oh please Mr Math expert, please do explain to me how 6 out of 10 vaxxed people dying from Covid proves that the vax is preventing death.

OMG Kermit.

If more than 60% are vaccinated, then the simple match says less are dieing than "should be" from that group.


Last time this was posted it was discussed that official figures said 79% of people are vaccinted.

That means that the 21% that are un-vaccinated are making up 42% of the deaths... or DOUBLE the death rate they "should be" dieing at.



And before you start ranting all figure are lies... remeber this post is not about that, it is just to explain the simple math for the question you asked.

I'm shocked you really did not get it. But at least it makes my frustration level at some of the ridiculous stuff posted lower a little. Not so bad if it's just lack of brain power making people say this crap, instead of willfully lying/misleading.

[Kermit]

OMG Kermit.

If more than 60% are vaccinated, then the simple match says less are dieing than "should be" from that group.


Last time this was posted it was discussed that official figures said 79% of people are vaccinted.

That means that the 21% that are un-vaccinated are making up 42% of the deaths... or DOUBLE the death rate they "should be" dieing at.



And before you start ranting all figure are lies... remeber this post is not about that, it is just to explain the simple math for the question you asked.

I'm shocked you really did not get it. But at least it makes my frustration level at some of the ridiculous stuff posted lower a little. Not so bad if it's just lack of brain power making people say this crap, instead if willfully lying/misleading.

OMG Optional.

If 60% of the people dying from Covid are vaccinated, then that means that people are dying from Covid regardless if they are vaccinated. Math doesn't have anything to do with this.

I am shocked that you still do not get it.

Instead of calling people dumb for pointing out the obvious, why don't you just admit that the vaccine isn't working as advertised.

[b1slickguy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s go back in time to 3/29/21<br><br>“No we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person… The virus does not infect them…It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to get more people.” <a href="https://t.co/kwsDIPYl2E">pic.twitter.com/kwsDIPYl2E</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Ginn (@aginnt) <a href="https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1475193955704881152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >December 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DwightShrute]

Which is correct dieing or dying?

Dieing is a word, but it's one you should almost never use, and it never refers to death. Dying refers to death. Dyeing refers to coloring a fabric or other material.

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"Two years after Covid vaccines rolled out, researchers are calling for newer, better options"


^^^ See that headline? This whole story revolves around the vaccine not working as promised, and now they are looking for other options.

No argument from me that these vaccines are nowhere near as effective as we have come to expect from approved vaccines against other conditions.

They were rushed and some used weird new technology that had not been able to get approval over 20 years so that's not a huge surprise now we have 2 years hindsight to work from.

I have no desire to get any more shots, mostly for that reason.

Other options is what I want too.

BUT, there really is proof they have helped reduce serious infections and that people die less often from it.

[Kermit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s go back in time to 3/29/21<br><br>“No we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person… The virus does not infect them…It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to get more people.” <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/kwsDIPYl2E">pic.twitter.com/kwsDIPYl2E</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Ginn (@aginnt) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1475193955704881152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >December 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh the booster brigade will come to her defense and say "But but but, this was before they knew about Omnicrom!"

[Optional]

OMG Optional.

If 60% of the people dying from Covid are vaccinated, then that means that people are dying from Covid regardless if they are vaccinated. Math doesn't have anything to do with this.

I am shocked that you still do not get it.

Instead of calling people dumb for pointing out the obvious, why don't you just admit that the vaccine isn't working as advertised.

LOL

OK Kermit. Condolences. I never realized.

[milwaukee mike]

Well, apart from the "proof" from the actual link Kermit posted that is being discussed?!?

the problem with those studies/reports is that anyone who has been jabbed in the past 14 days counts as UNVACCINATED... when we're only talking a couple thousand deaths in each group, out of over 300 million in the country, the numbers aren't significant enough to have any confidence, or even matter whether it's 60% or 70%

[milwaukee mike]

let's all remember one of bill gates' favorite books is "how to lie with statistics"

if you just move the goalposts, you can make anything seem true, like "the globe keeps getting warmer!"... well quite a few weather stations were moved, changed, or had heat sinks installed next to them

when people starting questioning the data, 600 of them were closed and then they pulled the same tricks elsewhere

https://www.foxnews.com/science/distorted-data-feds-close-600-weather-stations-amid-criticism-theyre-situated-to-report-warming

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the problem with those studies/reports is that anyone who has been jabbed in the past 14 days counts as UNVACCINATED... when we're only talking a couple thousand deaths in each group, out of over 300 million in the country, the numbers aren't significant enough to have any confidence, or even matter whether it's 60% or 70%

I kind of agree.

But similar figures showing unvaxxed people die at a higher rate than they should in Australia too leave me believing it has some effect.

I'd guess the stats are similar worldwide.

[milwaukee mike]

I kind of agree.

But similar figures showing unvaxxed people die at a higher rate than they should in Australia too leave me believing it has some effect.

I'd guess the stats are similar worldwide.

yeah, and the extreme ends, one that thought the vaccines were gonna be magic unicorn farts... and the other that thought they would just immediately kill everyone... those were both ridiculous

my argument all along is that the emotional/physical damage to our young people by forcing masks/vax/social distancing/etc was way worse than anything covid could ever do... almost 0 kids were even hospitalized, i have a nephew that killed himself and i'm sure he isn't even close to the only one the past few years

that's part of my mindset, even my son, instead of good doctoring that focuses on diet/exercise and mental health treatment, we get pills pills pills and jabs jabs jabs in this country

[d2bets]

yeah, and the extreme ends, one that thought the vaccines were gonna be magic unicorn farts... and the other that thought they would just immediately kill everyone... those were both ridiculous

my argument all along is that the emotional/physical damage to our young people by forcing masks/vax/social distancing/etc was way worse than anything covid could ever do... almost 0 kids were even hospitalized, i have a nephew that killed himself and i'm sure he isn't even close to the only one the past few years

that's part of my mindset, even my son, instead of good doctoring that focuses on diet/exercise and mental health treatment, we get pills pills pills and jabs jabs jabs in this country

And this is a reasonable value argument to have. In retrospect, I agree with some of this. In real-time, it's not that simple. I just get frustrated at people who want to support their arguments with hyperbole and outright lies.

[Kermit]

LOL

OK Kermit. Condolences. I never realized.

Can't say that I am not surprised.

[DwightShrute]

yeah, and the extreme ends, one that thought the vaccines were gonna be magic unicorn farts... and the other that thought they would just immediately kill everyone... those were both ridiculous

my argument all along is that the emotional/physical damage to our young people by forcing masks/vax/social distancing/etc was way worse than anything covid could ever do... almost 0 kids were even hospitalized, i have a nephew that killed himself and i'm sure he isn't even close to the only one the past few years

that's part of my mindset, even my son, instead of good doctoring that focuses on diet/exercise and mental health treatment, we get pills pills pills and jabs jabs jabs in this country

[milwaukee mike]

And this is a reasonable value argument to have. In retrospect, I agree with some of this. In real-time, it's not that simple. I just get frustrated at people who want to support their arguments with hyperbole and outright lies.

as are many who got frustrated with the years of media exaggerations and lies... cnn admitted they loved running that covid tracker to scare the crap out of people

in real-time we were all being played by birx/fauci/pfizer/moderna and the media that was beholden to them and never questioned any ridiculous policies. i think every single covid rule, and the ones still in place, were intended to push an endless stream of vaccines.

people can agree that sbr was getting money from sportsbooks, so that affected ratings... but why can't everyone agree that most tv ad revenues are from big pharma, so that affects "news"?

[DwightShrute]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jason Rantz: &quot;Using the researchers&#39; approach, we could actually argue the government banning the unvaccinated from using public transportation, that forced them to drive. So in other words we could say Justin Trudeau is actually causing the accidents.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/NjQSFJDfBH">pic.twitter.com/NjQSFJDfBH</a></p>&mdash; The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) <a href="https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1603569163469049856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >December 16, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[b1slickguy]

[EddieMusher]

https://rumble.com/v20vc20-bombshell-german-autopsy-mrna-vaccine-study-blocked-by-western-media-redact.html

[d2bets]

Organ transplants are a valuable commodity subject to rigorous requirements of all sorts. If you don't want to follow rules, you don't get an organ transplant. That's always the way it works.

[Optional]

https://rumble.com/v20vc20-bombshell...ia-redact.html

Is this the study claimed to be "blocked by Western media"?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-022-02129-5

The one about the 5 confirmed deaths from the mRNA vaccines in Germany?


Don't drink the fear porn koolaid.

[manny24]

when traffic fatalities and gunshot victims are counted as COVID deaths the goalposts end up in the Tennessee River

[milwaukee mike]

when traffic fatalities and gunshot victims are counted as COVID deaths the goalposts end up in the Tennessee River

yeah it's pretty hard to believe anything the government/media says after stuff like that... and "russia russia russia" lies for 3 years... and dozens of fbi signing off saying that hunter's laptop was russian disinformation.

the fbi flat out lied to get biden elected, nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care