GOD

[brainfreeze]

Wait - I thought we were done with the old testament. You mean you'll use it when it's convenient, but when it talks about selling daughters into slavery etc, well, that was only helpful "back then"?

You should change your name from brainfreeze to brainwashed.

Ezekiel is mostly prophecy, listen to me muldoon, God is real.. What I've seen and a few others is no joke, I love you enough to tell this to you guys or I wouldn't waste my time, keeping it to myself would be selfish, and that I am not, I want to see all of you on the other side, I know everyone won't though, they accept what they see and that's all, they reject the unseen, though the air blows and gravity drops...

As Recon said, eternal life isn't for everybody, though all are offered. People are privileged just to have the offer, ask those in N.Korea ... Why it is the way it is I can not explain, Gods purpose is beyond any one individual... If you don't believe what I tell you, so be it, but please, I ask all of you for the same respect, that I give, keep the vulgarity and profanity to a minimum in this thread... Thank you in advance

[muldoon]

guy just slapped some serious voodoo jesus shit on your ass, muldoon .. i would break into a hotel room to steal a bible if i were you

I'll steal 2. Then I'll be twice as righteous.

[jtoler]

The alleged former scumbag drug dealer guy who believes in talking snakes and Noah's ark says others "act a fool"....in the salon area...of a gambling forum....

Talking snakes?

[brainfreeze]

I would love for you science guys to explain how my mother sees visions ALL THE TIME, she can walk right past a individual, and tell them something about what's dear to them, a complete stranger, please... I would love explanation, I've seen her do it with my own eyes.

[muldoon]

I ask all of you for the same respect, that I give, keep the vulgarity and profanity to a minimum in this thread... Thank you in advance

Crazy beliefs seem fine when they're kept at home.

When crazy beliefs lead to attempts at changing school curriculum (to favor one religion), trojan horsing your way into public schools, policy towards how we wage war, fly airplanes into buildings etc - then I feel obligated to point out how delusional and immature they are - regardless of how polite you might try to be.

You admittedly were a piece of sh*t person earlier in life. Instead of making amends towards the people you harmed, you went the typical religious cop-out route. Oh, God forgave you. I'm glad that helps you sleep at night. For people who live without the ability to externalize blame and forgiveness, we actually try to follow a code of conduct that doesn't allow us to walk away from our crimes (or sins to you).

When people corner you as to would you still be Christian if you were born in India, or to defend very specific parts of the bible that are at worst insane (Noah's ark) or at best abhorrent (treatment or children, slavery etc), you again have an entire army at your other forum that'll help you couch your response so it sounds like you're enlightened.

You respond like a telemarketer with a flow chart of responses. Truth is, you are to enlightenment, as a parrot is to prose.

- Know one can know his plan (but we know he doesn't want blacks to marry whites...oops, scratch that...he knew that up until the 70-80's)
- Know one knows his plan (but we know that since god isn't taught in school, that's why tragedies happen to kids in school)
- The Jesus you read about was very specific about how to please god - yet you don't give everything away.
- The old testament was for a specific time period...unless it's used now because gay folks make you feel weird/icky

I have 10x more respect for people who say "I don't know". You believe in a book that is centered around the son of god, and yet not one word was penned during his lifetime. That's the same as someone seeing aliens in 1935, then retelling the story word of mouth until someone finally jotted it down in 2015.

Group think doesn't make it any less crazy - or dangerous. In fact, it makes it more so.

[muldoon]

I would love for you science guys to explain how my mother sees visions ALL THE TIME,

The picture of you just came into focus a little bit clearer.

[muldoon]

Talking snakes?

Genesis 3:4-5

[raydog]

you should stop comparing god to air and gravity... there is proof of those

your mom is good at the process of elimination, projection and leading... similar to those of mind readers or people who claim to see your future etc... but we dont know her to know if she has a gift or you are just using her to convince us of god...

[brainfreeze]

The picture of you just came into focus a little bit clearer.

She just started to do this in the last few years, you have nothing to say, but you see me more clearly, only if you knew... smh, God bless muldoon.... God bless

[brainfreeze]

you should stop comparing god to air and gravity... there is proof of those

your mom is good at the process of elimination, projection and leading... similar to those of mind readers or people who claim to see your future etc... but we dont know her to know if she has a gift or you are just using her to convince us of god...

She's no hustler, she doesn't prey... These things just come to her, she might see a cross, and say " you got that from your mother when you were nine years old " ...

Very specific ...

Yes, she has a gift... She's been doing this for a few years now, the who, what when and why, idk ... She does this though, raydog... Real as you and me,

[muldoon]

She just started to do this in the last few years, you have nothing to say

What would you like me to say? That your mom could be making millions (heck, she could collect the JREF million dollar prize literally in a couple weeks) but hasn't? Think of the good she could do for the less fortunate with a million bucks seed money to kick things off?

You are obviously easily duped and require no evidence to back up any supernatural or unexplained claims.

Much like the person with a 1% chance of surviving cancer, they attribute it to prayer (even though there's a pretty good chance the 99% others, including non believers - did some praying)

Or the lotto winner who feels like they were destined.

Others live in a world of proof. If your mom has that very specific ability, get her to cash in the prize, and I'll be the absolute first person to apologize here.

http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html

[brainfreeze]

What would you like me to say? That your mom could be making millions (heck, she could collect the JREF million dollar prize literally in a couple weeks) but hasn't? Think of the good she could do for the less fortunate with a million bucks seed money to kick things off?

You are obviously easily duped and require no evidence to back up any supernatural or unexplained claims.

Much like the person with a 1% chance of surviving cancer, they attribute it to prayer (even though there's a pretty good chance the 99% others, including non believers - did some praying)

Or the lotto winner who feels like they were destined.

Others live in a world of proof. If your mom has that very specific ability, get her to cash in the prize, and I'll be the absolute first person to apologize here.

http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html

It doesn't come to her on her demand, it's random... Random people

[The Kraken]

This shit took a turn towards the funny farm



Now moms is having visions, atheist don't believe in the unseen yet believe in air and gravity, asking for a thread in the saloon to be vulgar and profanity free

Brainfreeze, if you don't read anything else of mine, please read and understand this part

God isn't real, ok. Sorry pal to have to break it to ya

Best of luck

[jtoler]

Genesis 3:4-5

Says nothing about talking snakes.

[brainfreeze]

This shit took a turn towards the funny farm



Now moms is having visions, atheist don't believe in the unseen yet believe in air and gravity, asking for a thread in the saloon to be vulgar and profanity free

Brainfreeze, if you don't read anything else of mine, please read and understand this part

God isn't real, ok. Sorry pal to have to break it to ya

Best of luck

Though you admit to popping loratab on a daily, and fornicating with women, who might have diseases ... I love you Kraken...

See you when you get there, God bless

[The Kraken]

One objection

well, not so much an objection as much as a clarification

I only pop Lortab on the daily that are prescribed to me

nothing illegal

And you need to get on to Ray about fornicating with many women, not me

I'm miserable and married.

Ray is is trying to make sure every Asian girl at least has some American in here. At least once

[muldoon]

Says nothing about talking snakes.

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Serpent = Snake.

[brainfreeze]

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Serpent = Snake.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.


He is a fallen angel, serpent is spiritual ... You could understand this if you understood Him.



Revelation 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

[raydog]

i have no problem spreading pre marital sin

[jtoler]

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Serpent = Snake.

That can't be a metaphor?

[brainfreeze]

Because I don't think I want to spend eternity with anyone, more less a spirit cloud that won't let me drink, pop lortab, fukk out of wed lock and fap to porn.

Those are probably the main reasons

I'm praying for you Kraken, drugs distort the mind, I'd lay off them, and pick up a Bible,

God bless, either way...

[muldoon]

He is a fallen angel, serpent is spiritual ... You could understand this if you understood Him.

Oh I see. So in this instance, YOU understand him. You don't have any answers to questions like why do some newborns get cancer, why do drunk drivers kill good people --- but you know the snake was the devil.

And...the talking donkey in Numbers 22:28?

[muldoon]

That can't be a metaphor?

When people pick and choose which parts of the bible they want to interpret literally and others metaphorically, it pretty much becomes an existential "finish your own storybook" doesn't it?

[raydog]

I'm praying for you Kraken, drugs distort the mind, I'd lay off them, and pick up a Bible,

God bless, either way...

no offense, but if you had never heard of god/religion/christianity etc. and you picked up the bible because someone told you every word was true, after reading, wouldnt you assume it was quite mind distorting and basically loaded with science fiction bullshit?

[brainfreeze]

Oh I see. So in this instance, YOU understand him. You don't have any answers to questions like why do some newborns get cancer, why do drunk drivers kill good people --- but you know the snake was the devil.

And...the talking donkey in Numbers 22:28?

I've never seen God die on a cross then resurrected, or Peter and Jesus walk on water and all the other miracles, but I'm certain they happened .. The Words of God are true..

Have you seen angels recently ?


32And the angel of YAHWEH said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:

[brainfreeze]

no offense, but if you had never heard of god/religion/christianity etc. and you picked up the bible because someone told you every word was true, after reading, wouldnt you assume it was quite mind distorting and basically loaded with science fiction bullshit?

No, I'd test the wisdom and try the Spirit, as God calls one to do...



…20do not despise prophetic utterances. 21But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22abstain from every form of evil.

Does this sound right ? Hold that which is good, abstain from evil... sounds right to me, no distortion, more like transparent and clear...

[jtoler]

When people pick and choose which parts of the bible they want to interpret literally and others metaphorically, it pretty much becomes an existential "finish your own storybook" doesn't it?

Youre funny, even most atheists know this.

[raydog]

No, I'd test the wisdom and try the Spirit, as God calls one to do...



…20do not despise prophetic utterances. 21But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22abstain from every form of evil.

Does this sound right ? Hold that which is good, abstain from evil... sounds right to me, no distortion, more like transparent and clear...

sure, about good and bad... there are too many irrational "absurdities" to post, virgin birth, the ark and flood, walking on water, seas spreading, resurrection...yada yada ... so here is a good list of scriptures in this article

http://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/absurd.html

this would lead any man to believe the bible was complete make believe... again, i say this as if you read the book but had never heard of god or religion etc... you would assume its awful science fiction

people believe in god and the bible because SOMEONE TOLD THEM TO BELIEVE ... those someones and the ones before them and before, never had an ounce of proof...

[brainfreeze]

Seriously, raydog, this isn't about you believing (which isn't a mental attitude, although it can be psychological as well; mainly it's experience and action, that's what pisteos [faith] in greek means) --- it is about being honest about history.

There is more evidence that Jesus of Nazareth existed than any other person you acknowledge, or scholars acknowledge, from the ancient world. Sanhedrin texts, Roman contemporaries including but not limited to Josephus, and textual criticism of the gospels as well as concurrent histories make it certain that he existed. Any scholar, believer or non-believer, who is honest will tell you this --- and there are thousands of them.

Let's just summarize with this: the one true God is interested in people who seek Him with an open heart. If you are open minded and humble enough to say, "I will ask, God, show me who you are" and you attempt in earnest through prayers, fasting and other forms of self-denial --- the life recommended by the Saints, he will reveal himself.

If you aren't interested in meeting the way, truth and life, then you don't have to do anything. But he is reaching out for all of his, yet we deny him all the time (we are all humans and we all do this). The key is to struggle to find the truth in this fallen state of ours. In that struggle he will comfort you. It's hard to do in a wealthy, materially comforting society, however.

Best to all! Seek and find!

Good post,

Belief= trust
Belief=Faith
Belief=obey

[gauchojake]

people believe in god and the bible because SOMEONE TOLD THEM TO BELIEVE ... those someones and the ones before them and before, never had an ounce of proof...

And if you question the "truth" you are chided and ridiculed as a "Doubting Thomas".

[raydog]

Good post,

Belief= trust
Belief=Faith
Belief=obey

the problem with his post is too much mentioning of truth... how do you trust a virgin birth, someone walking on water...or spreading the seas or someone being resurrected or an ark full of animals that dont eat each other..etc...why is it that none of these things have been rational /realistic/performed since the bible was composed (or was in the process of being composed) ... why did all these miracle happenings happen so long ago and nothing has been done since?

[jtoler]

the problem with his post is too much mentioning of truth... how do you trust a virgin birth, someone walking on water...or spreading the seas or someone being resurrected is it that none of these things have been rational /realistic/ able since the bible was composed (or was in the process of being composed)

Could you perform successful brain surgery without having gone to medical school and learned how?

[EmpireMaker]

Must be quite difficult playing for both teams in every pro and college football and basketball game.

[raydog]

Could you perform successful brain surgery without having gone to medical school and learned how?

i need you to rephrase this... i dont follow... you are suggesting that god taught these people how to perform the miracles/irrational happenings?

[Seaweed]

the problem with his post is too much mentioning of truth... how do you trust a virgin birth, someone walking on water...or spreading the seas or someone being resurrected or an ark full of animals that dont eat each other..etc...why is it that none of these things have been rational /realistic/performed since the bible was composed (or was in the process of being composed) ... why did all these miracle happenings happen so long ago and nothing has been done since?

Start with the big evidence and work your way down. Starting on the small events first won't make sense. I mean, if there IS a God, wouldn't He be able to walk on water when he came down? That's not hard to believe if we believe that Jesus IS God. Wouldn't God be able to resurrect? Wouldn't hundreds of people give their lives for God they witnessed AFTER seeing that God die on a cross? Wouldn't a God reappear after death as prophesized? Wouldn't a God be prophesized before being born? Wouldn't a God preform miracles? Wouldn't a God give us freedom to choose to obey him? Wouldn't that be true love? Giving us free will? Wouldn't a loving God suffer for our sins so that we may be forgiven? The main question is Could there be a God? When we weigh the evidence and see that it more rational to think that there is a God rather than isn't, we can look to the claims of Jesus being God. Once we weigh the evidence in favor of proving vs evidence disproving and we examine it, it is more rational to believe that Jesus is God.