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Originally posted by jtoler
On January 19th and 20th 2017, The NY Times reported that wiretaps of people on the Trump team were passed along to the Obama White House, one of the story’s authors was Michael S. Schmidt. On Saturday that same Michael S. Schmidt was one of the reporters who wrote the story, “Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones.” That’s right, the same NY Times reporter who was one of the sources for the President’s claim, said that there was no evidence for the claim.
The first story by Mr. Schmidt appeared on the NY Times website the evening of January 19, 2017 and appeared on the front page of the paper the morning of Inauguration Day, January 20, 2017:
WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.
The continuing counterintelligence investigation means that Mr. Trump will take the oath of office on Friday with his associates under investigation and after the intelligence agencies concluded that the Russian government had worked to help elect him. As president, Mr. Trump will oversee those agencies and have the authority to redirect or stop at least some of these efforts.
It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself. It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November. The American government has concluded that the Russian government was responsible for a broad computer hacking campaign, including the operation against the D.N.C.
The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said.
Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.On Saturday, the day the POTUS tweeted that he was wiretapped, the NY Times claimed President Trump had no evidence. If you look at the bi-line of the story, you will see the same Michael S. Schmidt:
The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.
Counterintelligence investigations examine the connections between American citizens and foreign governments. Those connections can involve efforts to steal state or corporate secrets, curry favor with American government leaders or influence policy. It is unclear which Russian officials are under investigation, or what particular conversations caught the attention of American eavesdroppers. The legal standard for opening these investigations is low, and prosecutions are rare.
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Where in that article does it say that Obama tapped Trump's phones? The idea that some of Trump's associates and campaign people like Manafort were being monitored by the authorities is hardly surprising.Originally posted by DwightShrute
On January 19th and 20th 2017, The NY Times reported that wiretaps of people on the Trump team were passed along to the Obama White House, one of the story’s authors was Michael S. Schmidt. On Saturday that same Michael S. Schmidt was one of the reporters who wrote the story, “Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones.” That’s right, the same NY Times reporter who was one of the sources for the President’s claim, said that there was no evidence for the claim.
The first story by Mr. Schmidt appeared on the NY Times website the evening of January 19, 2017 and appeared on the front page of the paper the morning of Inauguration Day, January 20, 2017:
WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.
The continuing counterintelligence investigation means that Mr. Trump will take the oath of office on Friday with his associates under investigation and after the intelligence agencies concluded that the Russian government had worked to help elect him. As president, Mr. Trump will oversee those agencies and have the authority to redirect or stop at least some of these efforts.
It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself. It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November. The American government has concluded that the Russian government was responsible for a broad computer hacking campaign, including the operation against the D.N.C.
The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said.
Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.On Saturday, the day the POTUS tweeted that he was wiretapped, the NY Times claimed President Trump had no evidence. If you look at the bi-line of the story, you will see the same Michael S. Schmidt:
The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.
Counterintelligence investigations examine the connections between American citizens and foreign governments. Those connections can involve efforts to steal state or corporate secrets, curry favor with American government leaders or influence policy. It is unclear which Russian officials are under investigation, or what particular conversations caught the attention of American eavesdroppers. The legal standard for opening these investigations is low, and prosecutions are rare.
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very good interview
You decide
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Wow, this just keeps getting worse and worse for Obama.
If true, then Trump should use it to prove once again that the media are liars and frauds. They are the ones who claimed many times there were wiretaps.
Outcome: Trump wins
If false, then if there were no FISA authorizations, the wiretaps were illegal and amount to subversion and treason.
Outcome: Trump wins
If there were wire taps and FISA authorizations then Obama's administration is responsible for a scandal far bigger and more serious than Watergate.
Outcome: Trump wins
Barry and his community organizers went rogue with this tapping- the truth will put this gang where they belong, let the games begin!
We all know that O'bummer surveilled Trump... I just hope we can prove it! You would have to be a complete moron to
believe nobama and his criminal cronies didn't have anything to do with this.Comment -
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Was he as gullible back then as he is now?Originally posted by 15805
Here's the kicker with this wiretapping bullshit. Why would it only be on the day of the inauguration and not before?
The only tapping Obama might've done is record the blowhard during the inauguration, though I would have no idea why.Comment -
I wonder what Obama himself thinks of all this. Eric Holder says, he's coming, he's coming. Maybe, when he gets here he will be able to tell us what all this means. Did Trump think of that?Comment -
there is no right to privacy in the constitution, it was addressed in bill-read Caroline Kennedy's bookOriginally posted by DwightShrute
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I don't know if it is true or not that they were wiretapping him.
All "regular" phone conversations are recorded, and have been for some time now, so what the penetrate is he going on about?
If they were looking into him, what were they trying to find out?:
1. That he is an adulterer. Already out there.
2. That he has unethical business practices. Already out there.
3. That he lies quite a bit, even for a politician. Already out there.
4. That he and/or staff were having secret meetings with the Russian Intelligence officers and Russian businessmen? Ahhhhhhhhh.Comment -
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Random Fun FactsOriginally posted by miltondelgadoaVT
Although the U.S. Constitution does not explicitly state the right to privacy, the Supreme Court has consistently held that the Constitution implicitly affords protection of privacy. Griswold v Connecticut (not Caroline Kennedy)
The U.S. Constitution also does not explicitly state that the U.S. Supreme court can rule on the constitutionality of a particular law; however, it was held by the U.S. Supreme Court that they can. Marbury v MadisonComment -
4th amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure - that IS privacy.Originally posted by qwertvtComment -
Trump’s claim that Obama wiretapped his phone is plausible: Analyst says
US President Donald Trump’s explosive allegation that then-president Barack Obama wiretapped him during the 2016 election campaign is “plausible” since it has taken place during previous US administrations, an American political analyst in Virginia says.“It’s entirely credible and entirely possible and believable that the Obama administration, or at least the deep state elements that are part of the national security apparatus like the NSA, the FBI, the CIA, it could be that those organizations, the intelligence services were monitoring Donald Trump throughout the campaign,” said Keith Preston, director of attackthesystem.org.
“No evidence has been presented that that actually happened, but it’s certainly plausible, it’s certainly possible,” Preston told Press TV on Saturday.“Certainly, there has been examples of that happening previously in American politics,” he added.On Saturday, Trump accused his predecessor of intercepting his communications at his offices in Trump Tower in New York City before the presidential election last year.Trump offered no evidence to support his accusations, which were made during a Saturday morning tweet.“
Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!”Trump did not provide any information to back up his claim, but went on to say, “I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!”The president has also linked his predecessor to a major scandal, which has engulfed his administration regarding alleged contacts with Russian officials
An Obama spokesman rejected Trump's claims as “simply false.”.Experts say electronic surveillance of a US citizen by American intelligence agencies would require a warrant approved by a FISA court judge. Presidents do not have the authority to order such wiretaps and would not even be aware of them as a routine matter.If the president were involved in the process, it would be "scandalous and unheard of," said Ron Hosko, a former assistant FBI director. Hosko called the allegations "unprecedented“ and "unlikely to have occurred in the very broad way” that Trump described.Comment -
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It's too bad that Obama is too dignified to do what he ought to do here, which is to sue Trump for defamation.Originally posted by DwightShruteComment -
All through my life I've noticed the 2nd 3rd or 4th child are whiners, tattletails and story tellers (bullshitters).
Trump is the 2nd child. Enough said. Mic drop.Comment -
Oh shit, is he a middle of 3 child?Originally posted by rkelly110
So am I.
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Sorry man. Now you know so you can be conscience of it.Originally posted by d2betsOh shit, is he a middle of 3 child?
So am I.
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Originally posted by rkelly110
yes the stories from an underachieving, lying moron are very relevantComment -
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Case in point.Originally posted by brooks85
yes the stories from an underachieving, lying moron are very relevantComment -
exactlyOriginally posted by rkelly110
liars can't change their stripesComment -
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Mental Case in point.Originally posted by brooks85Comment -
The chesire cat approves AliceOriginally posted by khicks26Comment -
Trump needs to wake up and start taking these criminals from the deep state seriously. Drain the entire swamp and don't stop attacking. This is full blown war. It's going to get worse. God be with Trump. Former intelligence employee william binney interview is incredibly revealing in the Hannity Show last night. This stuff was reported on Alex Jones show years ago...and now look conspiracy theories are becoming true with regards to NSA and Barry Obama's spy network on civilians and lack of ethics of the OUT OF CONTROL CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. TRUMP WILL BURN THESE BASTARDS OR GET BURNED IF HE DOESN"T WISE UP SOON. THIS IS WAR.
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That's strange, the Binney interview is not in this video, I just saw it on fox news TV, they cut it out of this video. Youtube censored it.Comment -
Sen. Graham to subpoena for evidence of Trump's wiretap claim
Senators Sheldon Whitehouse (L) and Lindsey Graham (File Photo)
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham says he is ready to subpoena intelligence agencies for evidence proving President Donald Trump's claim that his predecessor Barack Obama ordered a wiretap on him during the 2016 presidential campaign.
"All I can say is that the country needs an answer to this. The current president has accused the former president of basically wiretapping his campaign," the South Carolina senator said in an interview with CNN on Wednesday.Asked if he would subpoena for any information in this regard, Graham said, "Yes."
On Wednesday, Graham and Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse handed a letter to James Comey, director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and Dana Boente, acting deputy attorney general, requesting “copies of any warrant applications and court orders...related to wiretaps of President Trump, the Trump Campaign, or Trump Tower.”
Congress must get to the bottom” of the allegations, and that they “would take any abuse of wiretapping authorities for political purposes very seriously,” the senators wrote.
“We would be equally alarmed to learn that a court found enough evidence of criminal activity or contact with a foreign power to legally authorize a wiretap,” they added.
Graham and Whitehouse, the two top ranking members of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism, argue that oversight for the potential wiretaps falls under their subcommittee.
The House Intelligence Committee has scheduled a March 20 hearing and Trump's wiretap allegation is part of that probe.
Meanwhile, White House spokesman Sean Spicer rejected the notion that the president himself was part of the probe. “There is no reason that we have to think that the president is the target of any investigation whatsoever.”
Last week, Trump tweeted messages claiming that Obama had his “wires tapped” in Trump Tower before Election Day.
Democrats slammed Trump for making the accusations without offering evidence, describing his latest outburst as a bid to distract from renewed scrutiny of his senior aides and allies' alleged ties to Russia.Comment
