Donald Trump's US President Odds Improving!!

[rkelly110]

We owe the holder of the bonds and notes, not any country as you continue to insinuate. Anyone could sell their US bonds in a matter of seconds in the secondary market. The US does not have any loans from china or any other country.

Kelly when the bonds come due a new auction is held. Folks buy US bonds because they are AA rated and dollar denominated. They know with complete certainty they will be repaid. If necessary the US could raise taxes or cut spending or both. Bond holders are not remotely worried as evidenced by how widely held they are. And by the amount of interest in the auctions.

Don't know how you don't think bonds are loans. Did you ever buy a US savings bond? You are loaning your money
to the govt to be paid back with interest. The govt owes you.

Watching the nat'l security threats on TV and they say the biggest one is our debt.

One way to bring down a super power w/o firing a shot is to make them go into huge debt then pull the rug out from
underneath by not lending them money (buying bonds).

Not hard to think what could happen if the dollar isn't the world currency anymore, which world powers that hate us,
are working on as I type. We will be standing there mouths agape saying wtf happened?

[RoyBacon]

They are not loans from china. Anyone can buy them and once bought they can be sold instantly. That's quite a difference than getting a loan from china. But I will accept that you and chico do not have the ability to discern the difference.

The debt is the #1 problem. We tried to say that when Obama was running up more debt than all the presidents before him...combined.

But unlike Obama who ran up massive debt with nothing to show we are going to grow our self out of it. If we double the size of the economy then our debt will be half as much relative to the economy. Of course as Josh has pointed out we have no choice to cap and reform spending or we will be a dog chasing our tail. Cap and grow is the basic game plan.

[rkelly110]

They are not loans from china. Anyone can buy them and once bought they can be sold instantly. That's quite a difference than getting a loan from china. But I will accept that you and chico do not have the ability to discern the difference.

The debt is the #1 problem. We tried to say that when Obama was running up more debt than all the presidents before him...combined.

But unlike Obama who ran up massive debt with nothing to show we are going to grow our self out of it. If we double the size of the economy then our debt will be half as much relative to the economy. Of course as Josh has pointed out we have no choice to cap and reform spending or we will be a dog chasing our tail. Cap and grow is the basic game plan.

Either way, bought or sold, it's still lending America money which we are beholden to pay back.

Yeah you guys were saying that, but when Obama wanted to tax the rich to pay down the debt, you guys were having fits.

Still having fits. Trump's spending plan is having big problems with his own party.

Time will tell with these massive tax cuts, but going by history, it won't end well. Hold onto your butt.

[RoyBacon]

We could go back to Obama's plan of driving business away with high taxes and regulating our self into zero economic & wage growth and still borrowing a trillion dollars a year with nothing to show for it. Is that a better plan?

This is where the conversation dead ends. I ask you libs what is a better plan and it's like typing in invisible ink. You don't like what Trump is doing but are completely dumbfounded to articulate a better solution or any solution for that matter.

[rkelly110]

Too early to tell. Stop pre ejaculating.

Still think it's the dumbest thing I've seen in my lifetime. You don't do tax cuts at the height of the economy with full
employment to create jobs while everyone is working. Then want to ship out the very people who will do those jobs.

Even dumber is to cut taxes then spend like a drunken cowboy in the saloon.

[TheSideBet]

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[RoyBacon]

Those two paintings are shockingly hideous, especially barry's. It's like Trump picked the artists and is trolling the fvvk out them...again.

[TheSideBet]

Those two paintings are shockingly hideous, especially barry's. It's like Trump picked the artists and is trolling the fvvk out them...again.

Apparently the artist is well known for posting pictures of blacks holding severed white heads? Nice art I suppose today.

[reigle9]

Apparently the artist is well known for posting pictures of blacks holding severed white heads? Nice art I suppose today.

our reality that wouldn't make a believable movie keeps getting more ridiculous

i think the entire dem party is on peyote

[chico2663]

this was as of 2013. Now you like to bitch about obama but you seem to forget the bush tax cuts,the 2 unfunded wars and the collapse of the financial markets

[chico2663]

[chico2663]

roy you put the upid in stupid

[RoyBacon]

LOL. I finally got kelly educated that china does not loan us money. If a Chinese bank shows up in new york and participates in the auction then a bank in china holds some US bonds. That's a far cry from the US going to china for a loan.

If you would stop repeating those far left talking points and think on your own I doubt you will get caught saying retarded things. Those sites are for idiots who have no knowledge and will believe anything like what you said - We borrowed $1.5T from china to give to the rich..absolutely nothing in that statement is correct.

[chico2663]

you notice we owe 1 trillion in bonds to people and corporations but hell of a lot more to other countries, Now quit chatting me because your making me look on the internet when I don't feel well

[chico2663]

LOL. I finally got kelly educated that china does not loan us money. If a Chinese bank shows up in new york and participates in the auction then a bank in china holds some US bonds. That's a far cry from the US going to china for a loan.

If you would stop repeating those far left talking points and think on your own I doubt you will get caught saying retarded things. Those sites are for idiots who have no knowledge and will believe anything like what you said - We borrowed $1.5T from china to give to the rich..absolutely nothing in that statement is correct.

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-we-owe-federal-debt-to-2013-10

yup those far left sites. god your stupid

[chico2663]

Now roy this is from the us treasury as of 2017. I guess that is another far left site

FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES
(in billions of dollars)
HOLDINGS 1/ AT END OF PERIOD


Nov Oct Sep Aug Jul Jun May Apr Mar Feb Jan Dec Nov
Country 2017 2017 2017 2017 2017 2017 2017 2017 2017 2017 2017 2016 2016
------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------

China, Mainland 1176.6 1189.2 1180.8 1200.5 1166.0 1146.5 1102.2 1092.2 1088.1 1059.7 1051.1 1058.4 1049.3
Japan 1084.1 1094.0 1096.0 1101.7 1113.1 1090.8 1111.3 1106.9 1120.5 1115.5 1102.5 1090.8 1108.6
Ireland 328.7 312.4 310.6 307.0 310.8 302.5 295.8 299.9 313.9 309.1 293.7 288.2 275.2
Cayman Islands 269.4 269.9 267.6 260.0 259.2 265.2 266.1 256.8 250.4 259.1 256.9 263.7 260.8
Brazil 265.3 270.0 272.8 273.6 271.9 269.7 269.7 267.7 259.5 257.7 257.7 259.2 258.3
Switzerland 250.9 254.0 254.9 248.3 244.8 244.5 239.5 234.1 227.8 236.4 224.0 230.0 230.3
United Kingdom 237.9 225.9 237.4 225.4 229.7 237.1 234.4 231.5 228.3 218.3 214.1 217.2 215.8
Luxembourg 218.3 217.9 213.9 213.3 213.0 211.7 207.7 212.1 218.3 217.8 218.9 224.3 222.4
Hong Kong 194.9 192.3 194.7 197.3 199.1 202.6 196.3 196.6 195.1 197.8 189.4 191.4 185.5
Taiwan 179.9 181.7 183.9 180.4 182.5 184.4 181.2 185.6 183.8 183.6 183.6 189.3 183.1
Saudi Arabia 149.0 145.2 136.7 137.9 142.5 142.8 134.0 126.8 124.5 116.7 112.3 102.8 100.1
India 140.8 141.4 145.1 138.9 135.7 130.3 127.3 124.1 117.1 112.3 113.7 118.2 118.7
Singapore 124.2 130.4 125.2 119.3 112.3 106.4 107.9 107.0 103.1 107.4 103.3 102.2 96.9
Belgium 115.3 116.0 104.8 96.9 99.4 98.3 98.7 96.4 109.9 105.7 112.2 120.4 113.5
Russia 105.7 105.0 103.9 105.4 103.1 102.9 108.7 104.9 99.8 86.3 86.2 86.1 86.6
Korea 98.5 100.1 94.3 95.0 97.9 96.8 100.1 93.8 97.1 96.9 95.6 93.2 85.0
Canada 82.6 78.2 75.1 73.6 75.7 76.6 80.2 80.6 77.6 82.0 79.9 83.0 81.2
France 74.9 75.9 75.4 76.1 80.0 72.3 74.4 66.9 69.9 64.4 60.8 61.4 68.4
Germany 71.6 72.9 74.9 73.0 73.3 68.4 68.3 74.7 77.0 73.1 71.6 82.3 87.0
Thailand 68.0 68.4 70.8 71.6 67.2 66.1 66.5 69.7 69.3 71.4 72.9 66.0 71.1
Bermuda 64.0 63.5 62.6 62.7 61.7 60.9 60.9 59.4 59.7 61.4 61.6 64.1 66.8
Turkey 61.2 61.4 60.8 57.7 54.5 58.9 49.5 56.4 59.0 58.3 58.4 59.1 55.8
United Arab Emirates 58.2 57.7 54.3 55.9 59.9 58.9 60.5 60.6 63.0 61.7 61.2 60.6 63.0
Norway 55.3 60.6 64.1 58.0 54.8 53.8 48.3 51.4 48.9 45.8 43.1 52.5 47.7
Netherlands 47.6 45.1 47.5 50.3 50.5 53.1 52.2 49.1 51.2 52.8 54.2 57.4 54.2
Sweden 44.7 45.3 45.9 44.3 42.7 40.5 40.8 41.1 40.6 39.1 38.2 38.7 39.2
Australia 40.6 38.7 36.9 37.8 37.9 38.1 37.0 35.2 37.6 34.6 36.9 34.6 36.4
Mexico 40.6 41.6 40.5 34.7 35.8 32.3 38.9 40.2 38.8 49.5 48.1 47.1 47.1
Poland 38.4 38.8 37.3 36.3 35.6 34.1 35.0 33.9 34.9 34.2 34.3 34.0 33.9
Kuwait 36.8 39.4 38.0 35.6 33.0 31.8 31.6 31.3 32.4 29.8 29.4 28.7 29.4
Spain 36.2 36.9 38.1 38.2 38.2 36.6 38.2 38.6 38.0 37.7 37.7 38.3 38.4
Philippines 35.8 36.4 35.5 36.3 38.1 37.9 38.2 38.1 36.6 36.9 36.5 38.5 37.8
Italy 35.6 34.5 35.3 35.4 36.2 36.1 35.6 35.0 35.2 37.5 38.2 39.9 37.8
Israel 30.9 32.7 32.5 31.8 30.4 30.9 30.9 29.5 29.6 30.2 30.9 31.6 29.5
All Other 480.6 476.2 475.2 458.6 463.9 451.6 455.7 445.5 442.3 439.3 444.2 453.3 438.0
Grand Total 6343.1 6349.5 6323.0 6268.4 6250.3 6171.6 6123.6 6073.7 6079.1 6020.0 5953.0 6006.3 5953.0

Of which:
For. Official 4056.1 4079.1 4070.4 4051.7 4034.5 3995.3 3935.2 3911.6 3879.9 3816.1 3785.5 3814.1 3768.2
Treasury Bills 339.6 332.2 325.2 324.1 330.6 330.5 329.3 326.5 317.8 302.4 301.1 298.4 295.6
T-Bonds & Notes 3716.5 3746.9 3745.2 3727.6 3703.9 3664.9 3605.9 3585.1 3562.2 3513.7 3484.4 3515.8 3472.7

Department of the Treasury/Federal Reserve Board
January 17, 2018

1/ The data in this table are collected primarily from U.S.-based custodians and broker-dealers. Since U.S. securities held in
overseas custody accounts may not be attributed to the actual owners, the data may not provide a precise accounting of
individual country ownership of Treasury securities
(see TIC FAQ #7 at: http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...s/ticfaq1.aspx).

Estimated foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury marketable and non-marketable bills, bonds, and notes reported under the Treasury
International Capital (TIC) reporting system are based on monthly data on holdings of Treasury bonds and notes
as reported on TIC Form SLT, Aggregate Holdings of Long-Term Securities by U.S. and Foreign Residents
and on TIC Form BL2, Report of Customers' U.S. Dollar Liabilities to Foreign Residents.

[chico2663]

http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt

[ByeShea]

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-w...ebt-to-2013-10


yup those far left sites. god your stupid

You wrote that Trump borrowed $1.5 trillion from China in order to do tax breaks. This is a dumb take at face value and more than anything just suggests your grasp on US debt is lazy and hazy. If you had command of the basics, you wouldn't have wrote that.

But by all means, go on and tell everyone how dumb everyone is that doesn't agree with your politics.

[RoyBacon]

you notice we owe 1 trillion in bonds to people and corporations but hell of a lot more to other countries, Now quit chatting me because your making me look on the internet when I don't feel well

No prob. I see those left winger vids that hicks posts distorting the facts and just like to correct the record. No biggie.

Throw a movie on and get some rest. I'll keep these fuggers inline until you feel better. I got to get my PRO status back. Those fvvcks at SBR don't know the term "grace period".

[chico2663]

You wrote that Trump borrowed $1.5 trillion from China in order to do tax breaks. This is a dumb take at face value and more than anything just suggests your grasp on US debt is lazy and hazy. If you had command of the basics, you wouldn't have wrote that.

But by all means, go on and tell everyone how dumb everyone is that doesn't agree with your politics.

never heard of you pal. Another broke dick non pro. go figure. but i was reciting rand paul so i guess he was dishonest. I voted for his father twice

[chico2663]

No prob. I see those left winger vids that hicks posts distorting the facts and just like to correct the record. No biggie.

Throw a movie on and get some rest. I'll keep these fuggers inline until you feel better. I got to get my PRO status back. Those fvvcks at SBR don't know the term "grace period".

thanks roy. my 15 yr old nephew is taking me through some shit.

[khicks26]

thanks roy. my 15 yr old nephew is taking me through some shit.

Roy talking out his ass chico. Telling me the military is 20% of the budget. Fuk the old people, work them to death.


Sounds a little like a Dwight Ghost maybe?

[rkelly110]

Roy educated me........ Ok. Let's do some word play. China INVESTED in the US.

[khicks26]

No prob. I see those left winger vids that hicks posts distorting the facts and just like to correct the record. No biggie.

Throw a movie on and get some rest. I'll keep these fuggers inline until you feel better. I got to get my PRO status back. Those fvvcks at SBR don't know the term "grace period".

LOL Now that's fuking funny. When I need a little Trump sunshine shoved up my ass. I will call on you Roy to correct the record. LOL

[khicks26]

Roy educated me........ Ok. Let's do some word play. China INVESTED in the US.

Hey RK, Roy says fuk you & your SS. Get back to work. We got bombs to drop on poor motherfukers in the Middle East.

[rkelly110]

Hey RK, Roy says fuk you & your SS. Get back to work. We got bombs to drop on poor motherfukers in the Middle East.

Yeah, that's pretty cowardly if you ask me. They don't have planes to drop bombs on us. Go in and fight them like men.
Maybe some of those congressmen's sons and grandsons might be put in harms way and see how they like the taste of war.

[khicks26]

Yeah, that's pretty cowardly if you ask me. They don't have planes to drop bombs on us. Go in and fight them like men.
Maybe some of those congressmen's sons and grandsons might be put in harms way and see how they like the taste of war.

Agree, getting sick of the war mongering fuks.

[RoyBacon]

You guys are a bit of outliers on national defense. It's mandated in the Constitution, social security is not.

I'm not big on handouts, welfare and entitlements. Folks should work. We didn't have a penny of welfare for the first 150 years. No one is "entitled" to take another persons property. It's certainly not mandated in the Constitution.

I'm fine with a strict safety net but that's not what we have now.

[PittsburghPlayer]

Yeah, that's pretty cowardly if you ask me. They don't have planes to drop bombs on us. Go in and fight them like men.
Maybe some of those congressmen's sons and grandsons might be put in harms way and see how they like the taste of war.

soldier/slave

[chico2663]

You guys are a bit of outliers on national defense. It's mandated in the Constitution, social security is not.

I'm not big on handouts, welfare and entitlements. Folks should work. We didn't have a penny of welfare for the first 150 years. No one is "entitled" to take another persons property. It's certainly not mandated in the Constitution.

I'm fine with a strict safety net but that's not what we have now.

if you can get me back all my social security i'm down for that. now i was usually self employed so i paid double

[RoyBacon]

if you can get me back all my social security i'm down for that. now i was usually self employed so i paid double

chico, what's your beef on SS? If you told it before I missed it but I know you refer to missing or somehow losing out on SS. What's the story?

SS is not my strong suit as hicks can probably attest to.

[rkelly110]

Funny. Repubs hate when govt gets in the way of their lives, but Trump is throwing an idea out there to cut food stamps
and send them a food box of canned goods. That would mean the govt is sending you food that they want you to eat.
(govt intervention) Wonder if Kim Jong sends his people food boxes.

[RoyBacon]

I got the best food stamps idea;

Make them only good for fresh vegetables and baby formula. You want meat? get a job.

[rkelly110]

Uh, food stamps are for the WORKING poor.